James, Is there such ones as earthbound spirits? It comes up as a question for me as I disentangle out of my helper role. I have watched videos where mediumstic people are saying they believe part of their work on earth is to help earth bound spirits move on into their spirit home, teaching them about Divine Love, etc.
I have enough trouble minding my own soul healing business without stepping over others lines and I just wonder if that kind of so called ministry to spirits is just a way to feel a sense of being in control coming from childhood wounds.
Yes Desire, from what I understand there are, and many accounts of them have been written about in such things as the Padgett Messages and other accounts with spirits from spiritualists.
From what I gather, having had little personal experience with them, they are people (now spirits) who are still very focused on Earth and their ‘old’ earth lives. Extraordinarily, which I find had to fathom, they are not fully aware that they are even dead, believing they are still living on Earth, even though unable to have the usual affect they had. Most ghost stories as in haunted houses one could attribute to such earthbound spirits, they being ‘held’ (by their own mind and beliefs) to the house usually having had some relationship with it when on Earth, such as they might have lived there. And often if they endured some traumatic and quick unexpected death, that too seems to keep them restricted to such a state.
From what the spirits have told me, there are two Earth planes that envelope the physical Earth, in which such spirits can live. And these are not part of the mansion worlds. And so if you were to live in them, then all you’d see would be all you see on Earth, whereas in the mansion worlds all you see is unique to that mansion world. So in the Earth planes such spirits would see your house and surrounds and be able to come and go being with you in your home, whereas were they in the mansion worlds they’d not see your house as it wouldn’t exist there. Other houses built by spirits are in those worlds.
So many spirits inhabit the Earth planes, able to go wherever they choose over Earth, although there are some restrictions that will apply at times, but not all such Earth plane spirits are earthbound. So the earthbound spirit spiritually is really in a bad state, sort of caught in no-mans land, and very possibly doesn’t believe in life after death, or has never come across the notion of it. But really I have no idea as to the mind patterns such earthbound spirits have that keep them so limited and unconscious of their true state. And at times they can apparently exert quite an influence on the physical world, often anger because of the bad state they are in, such as causing things in people’s houses to move around, strange noises, all mostly designed to frighten off those people who the spirit sees as an intruder on its turf.
Then within the Earth planes you have individual spirits and bands of them that come together trying to influence people on Earth in one way or another - positively or negatively. I can imagine it would be a great hoot trying to scare the shit of unsuspecting people back on Earth once you’ve died and woken up still being alive in spirit. But certain laws prohibit too much of a negative or positive influence.
And when people have OBE’s or NDE’s they might go into one of the Earth planes, or further still into the higher mansion worlds, visiting with spirits, and mostly being so impressed but it all that they claim they saw Jesus or God or Jesus or God spoke to them, and it would be easy being ignorant and susceptible to such intense overwhelming light and good feelings to wrongly believe such things.
And then there are spirits on all levels wanting to help such lost - earthbound - spirits. And so too do a lot of people, particularly following James Padgett’s lead as he spent a lot of time helping lost dark spirits to Come to the Light telling them to look for the Celestial spirits and long for the Divine Love - which you probably already know. So many ‘Divine Love’ people believe it’s part of the ‘good works’ they too should do, all part of Service to God and readily demonstrating they are a ‘good and loving’ person, all of which is as you said, simply another way to keep their mind off their own bad feelings, making them feel important and superior and all the rest.
In the Padgett Messages Jesus ends up telling James P to stop all that work as it distracted James from concentrating on receiving the messages from Jesus and the Celestials. I think James did such work because it was a comforting distraction for him, I don’t think he ever really came to terms with the fact that it was indeed THE MASTER who really was wanting him to ‘earth’ his Second Coming, so instead of putting his head down and getting on with the message receiving, he took to helping other spirits. But those are only my thoughts and is probably not really fair to James P, as we all want to help and I have no doubt James’ heart was in the right place. Also, because he wasn’t doing his healing, the further he went with it all, and there is a huge amount of spirit light involved when receiving such messages from higher spirits - especially Jesus, (even when he ‘turns his light down’), that his repressed bad feelings must have started to get stirred up, and so perhaps by taking time out to try and help the dark spirits was a way he was able to keep his mind off himself, otherwise he’d have had to start to confront Jesus on some of the things he and the Celestials were saying - which would have meant them moving into talking about the healing, which they weren’t to do, as it wasn’t time for humanity to understand about all of that back then.
Another point that might interest you to know Desire will be that because you are doing your healing and longing for and receiving the Divine Love, your house will be ‘protected’ by the light of your soul and all the Celestials attending you. So no such lost or dark spirits would come near you, it being one of the restrictions I mentioned for them earlier. And if you were to specifically ask to do such work, your Celestial band would organise for such dark spirits to come to you. However you’d have to ask yourself as to why you wanted to help such spirits if it didn’t just naturally happen for you. And no doubt there will be some people who will do such work, possibly as part of their healing, or even possibly once they’ve finished it all, but like everything, one should still look to the truth of ones motives through ones feelings about all one does.
Do you feel any sense of guilt for not doing any such ‘work’ and for just wanting to concentrate on your own yuk? Do you feel bad for not ‘giving something back’? One of the things I want to keep emphasising is that we are the most important person, this being what I think you understand, and that until we fix and sort ourselves out first, what’s the use of trying to help anyone else - it would all still be a case of the blind leading the blind. I too used to think I should do some ‘work’, at least to help dark spirits because I was too chicken to go into some drug rehab situation or some terrible place on Earth and ‘help’, it all being much easier and less confrontational and ‘safer’ to do it all from the safety of my living room, doing it all in my head. And I’ve had to work through guilt about just looking after myself and not helping anyone else, but as I’ve worked through it all, now all I want to do is heal myself, and try to not concern myself with anyone else, not even Marion. But when you’ve been programmed to put everyone else before yourself, it’s very deep and so hard to eradicate - so many bad feelings to bring up about it all.
I’m sorry I’ve gone on a bit, but I loved your questions, for as you can no doubt tell, speaking about spirits is my favourite subject, and I’ve longed for someone - anyone, to ask me anything about them.
And to conclude, I feel that the Mother and Father will have a lot for us all to do once we’ve healed ourselves. And in the meantime, whilst we are working on our healing, as there is NOTHING more important than that, nothing more important for ourselves and for the world and humanity than for us to do our healing, then really we should devote all our time and energy to it. And besides, who wants to keep feeling bad? And although we might gain some good feelings and even love from helping others, still unless we feel it is all part of our healing and what we need to do whilst we look to accept and express and seek the truth of such feelings whilst we’re doing it, it us just other ways to delay ones healing and so prolong our pain.
Also, whilst I was re-reading my post, it occurred to me to add this. There could quite possibly be numerous spirits on all levels, even dark and lost spirits who are ‘observing’ you and all you are doing through your healing, your Celestial band orchestrating such unseen visitors. We tend to underestimate our role in the physical deferring to the higher spirit levels, but as they tell me, only now are there people beginning to do their healing on Earth fully understanding what they are doing, why they are doing it, and doing it with the complete understanding of longing for the Divine Love and all that entails. So even though some of the spirits might have done their healing with the Divine Love in spirit, our doing of it in the physical is all very new for them just as much as it is for us, so it’s very possible we all have many unseen ‘observers’ who we might actually be helping a lot in their healing and spiritual growth without our being aware of it. And not that I want to make you feel paranoid or anything like that, but at times I’ve felt like I’m the goldfish in bowl with everyone ‘up there’ looking in on me... which of course led to yet more bad feelings to express.
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Thanks so much for all you wrote in answer to my question, James. You said that when we choose to stay to the task of doing our CR/soul work that we would not have any contact with the earthbound spirits (being protected from them), so those who are not choosing to work through their childhood repression are living open to being influenced by them? On top of a person's own crap that is stuffed down in them, when they are not at the place yet of working through it, would they possibly attract an earthbound spirit that feelsat home with them...for example a spirit who used to drink when he was alive, hanging around an alcoholic? And I am guessing that the ultimate purpose they serve us...these earthbound ones...is to help further our desires not to feel, maybe even moving us faster to the end of our season of not wanting to deal with our baggage?
You talk about certain laws that have to be obeyed...does this involve when we are children and what kind of interference that earthbounds are unable to have or not with us? I know that what we all go through when we are so innocent and open is not a pretty picture with those we can see and I have plenty to keep me busy feeling about that! I am just finding myself with a new curiosity opening up with the seen and those unseen living in the bigger picture of things.
The videos I watched coming from others who are working with the Padgett messages as their guide concerning earth bound spirits, was what prompted this question mostly. As I watched, it seemed like a good thing to help these spirits if they were drawn to seek help and if it happened as a natural part of what was to unfold for both parties involved. Mostly though, it didn't feel clean to me as far as you said about motives in doing this kind of work.
I continue to find myself with my jaw dropping as I am seeing my role I grew up with as protector and care-taker being revealed to me more and more...the depth of how ingrained I have been to believing I was helping people when I was only trying to stay away from my own pain. To the degree that I saw my father stoned drunk, I now realize to the same degree, out of my own fear of feeling how I was really feeling, I used my own role to stay stone drunk...just not with alcohol. As you have said over and over, James: "We've all been fucked!"...equally fucked...no one of us finding escape. You asked -Do I feel guilty for not giving something back? The more I am pressed down into feeling my own garbage coming from denying my own pain, seeing that even when I thought I was helping people that it was all my own way of trying to not feel...the less that is an issue. It's like having your own house on fire and seeing it for real and choosing to stay with the child who has been trapped inside that fire instead of going out and doing "good works" to somehow save that child.
I am feeling the feeling of relief that a child would, when they find that they have finally been taken seriously and this is very precious to me. The temptations to go save the world (or earthbound spirits) don't have the power that they used to because I first see how much personal work I have to attend to and also desire to stay tuned to this feeling child who has begun to believe I do take her seriously. Thanks again, James, for sharing all that comes to you when these questions are asked...I truly benefit from your gift of working with spirits and what you have gained by asking them questions.
“Thanks so much for all you wrote in answer to my question, James. You said that when we choose to stay to the task of doing our CR/soul work that we would not have any contact with the earthbound spirits (being protected from them), so those who are not choosing to work through their childhood repression are living open to being influenced by them? On top of a person's own crap that is stuffed down in them, when they are not at the place yet of working through it, would they possibly attract an earthbound spirit that feels at home with them...for example a spirit who used to drink when he was alive, hanging around an alcoholic? And I am guessing that the ultimate purpose they serve us...these earthbound ones...is to help further our desires not to feel, maybe even moving us faster to the end of our season of not wanting to deal with our baggage?”
From my understanding of earthbound spirits Desire, they are mostly bound to one very specific geographical location. They are literally limited to a very small area, even being unable to move around in it, or to like being confined or choosing to stay in a few rooms of a house or in the grounds or immediate area of that house or building or piece of land, etc. They might also ‘attach’ themselves to a person, moving around with that person, having a negative or even positive effect on them, or having no effect whatsoever.
So I think you are confusing them with spirits who are then confined to the Earth planes I spoke about, and who are relative free to roam about these planes and can have a great effect and influence on someone. And in this case yes, like attracts like, and you can draw to you spirits like yourself, who might try and control and manipulate you, or who might sincerely want to try and help you. I’ve give some examples of each from things I’ve read.
Earthbound spirits: In one of the Christian books I just recently read. They bought a house that was unbeknownst to them, haunted. The earthbound spirit made them feel scared at night, strange noises, smells of rotting flesh in rooms, and they felt generally more miserable and depressed. Finally they sold the house and it was bought by spiritualists who relished the challenge of being able to ‘turn the dark soul toward the light’ but who failed with one of the wife’s (it was two couples in different parts of the house) even committing suicide because of depression, when she’d never suffered from it before. Then in other accounts, a vet who was ‘in touch with spirit help’, moved into a house and was pelted by small stones every time he went out into the back yard. He got spiritualists in, two incredible women, who appeased the lost soul who didn’t want anyone living in his house, the house he’d owned when on Earth, and the ‘strange happenings’ ended. Then there are poltergeists, that are just strong earthbound spirits that are able to affect the physical plane making things fly around, pictures fall off walls, heavy ashtrays falling to the floor and so on, all usually aggressive showing the spirit definitely didn’t want anyone living in his house. Another couple moving into a new house, the husband being in touch more with the ‘other side’ and being a doctor found his wife suffering from depression and becoming ‘strange’ suffering all sorts of personality changes over years to eventually dying of a terrible strange disease. Then once she’d died, he started to feel a ‘heavy presence’ with him, as if it were leeching his life force, sucking out his brain energy. Upon consultation with this dark spirit he found it was a man (spirit) from a foreign country who had lost his beloved wife when she was young, and who upon dying himself went looking for her, then ‘finding’ her so he believed in this mans wife, and so much wanting her to be with him in spirit, caused this woman’s death. So strange things can certainly happen, but I would say that this woman would have had to have been open on some level to the attentions of this lonely and possessive spirit, so as to ‘succumb’ to his ministrations. The spirits can’t just have their way over us, those are the laws I spoke about, so we have to be wanting it on some level, which of course would be mostly deeply buried in our childhood repression.
Normal spirits in the Earth planes: I went to a spiritualists meeting with mum years ago, just when she decided she would allow herself to ‘see’ spirits again. There was a medium on the stage trying to contact spirits who had messages for people in the audience. Mum said she could see there were too many spirits on the stage, it’s too crowded and they are all fighting each other to get to the medium and tell her their message to tell someone in the room. The medium needs some help in spirit, a spirit to organise the rabble because she doesn’t have the power to take them one at a time. She’s picking up bits and pieces of all the messages being yelled her, it’s ridiculous, no wonder none of the messages make any sense. So these spirits are all in the Earth planes, and there is billions of them, all still very much earth focused, but with little idea or understanding or desire for higher spiritual life in the mansion worlds. One woman spirit Marion and I read about said she was so sad having died when her children were so young that she followed them all trying to tell them she was still around. She tried to get her husband to listen to her for years, but no one seemed to hear her. Then finally she realised they couldn’t hear her, and upon wondering why, was informed by higher spirits about her death etc, her then being able to leave her family alone, moving on to the mansion worlds. Then you’ve got all the spirits just enjoying themselves, touring around the Earth planes looking at the world, looking in at politicians, business men, scientists, people having sex, whatever takes their fancy, and people who might be receptive to them and so on. And then you’ve got ones who try to organise things, trying to communicate to people on Earth to tell them about life after death, helping them to ‘get the truths across’ as they understand them. And you’ve got masses or angry and pissed-off spirits hanging around Satanists and people wanting to ‘get in touch with the dark side and dark spirits’. So such people no doubt believe they are empowered by such dark spirits, just as those channelers channelling the likes of ‘Jesus’ or some alien race or Ascended Master believe they are empowered on the good side.
And all this is going on the Earth planes, so yes, spirits who were and still are alcoholics might hang around such men and women on Earth. However I’d think they’d be more inclined to hang around the pubs, pretending they are still in them on Earth and getting pissed. They can, by using their mind, create glasses of beer for example, drink it, and feel drunk. But it’s not real physical beer, it’s just spirit energy manifested as beer, it doesn’t actually go into their spirit bodies as beer, the light just ‘evaporates’ or diffuses away as they drink it, and they feel drunk based on their mental conditioning and beliefs that that is how they should and want to feel the more they drink. Only once they’ve evolved higher do such physical memories cease to be so influential.
And yes, however I don’t know about the ‘ultimate purpose they serve us’, but they can definitely help us stay untrue, further our untruth, and generally confuse us more than we already are. When I started first speaking with spirits and reading some of these accounts, I wanted to avoid all of that ‘lower’ stuff, and so asked, following the suggestion in a book I read about speaking with spirits, to ask for the highest spirits I could speak with. And God has complied with my wishes so it seems.
I know the more sensitive you are to spirits, and many people are unaware that they are, certain spirits will pick up on this and so come and be with you all to try and help themselves, even if they believe they are helping you. And some people are bothered by them, sensing or even hearing and seeing them, whereas other people remain oblivious to them. One young girl I met could just open her inner eye and there they all were, always wanting to talk with her, tell her things, yet when she spoke with them it was just boring nonsense stuff, so she had to work to keep her inner door closed to them. But now I understand looking back that secretly she liked the attention, she needed it feeling lonely, and was reluctant to do what I suggested which would have made her give up such attention. I couldn’t understand back then why these people were so bothered by such spirits always fearing them and feeling like the spirits were trying to take them over in some way, and yet didn’t want to pray for the Divine Love which would have got rid of them, or ask for higher spirits to come and be with them instead of the lower ones. But now I understand more about that, when you don’t have anyone, even the ones that make you feel bad are better than nothing. And usually you can’t see that anything better would be there for you if you could give up the bad.
Generally the spirits of the Earth planes are just spiritually lost, having no idea about getting on and advancing their minds or souls and moving higher into the mansion worlds. And most people on Earth ‘tune in’ to them, being equally lost and mixed up about it all. Then you’ve got a very heavy religious spirit presence, the religions are very strong in the mansion worlds and exert a tremendous pressure on religious Earth plane spirits and also those on Earth in the various religions. They want to keep all their believers, so work extremely hard with such things as the revivals and miraculous healings, stirring up warlike feelings, and so on. And to my mind, these are the spirits doing the most damage to humanity - keeping us under their spell the most, keeping the whole rotten rebellion in place. And they pour on the fear as you know having been part of all of that, and once you’re in it, especially if you’ve grown up in it and it’s become part of you, it’s very hard to see that it’s wrong and not the right way to God and eternal happiness.
Also, anyone who starts their healing because of having to deal with such deeper personal issues and all their bad feelings, will undoubtedly scare off any spirits who are not wanting to do the same, this being another way one will naturally ‘protect’ oneself from their negative influence, as they work to progress in truth.
Having written this, then reading this paragraph of yours again, it occurred to me to also say some people might want to believe that they are ‘overshadowed’ by the presence of dark or malevolent spirits, but in fact that’s just a projection of their inner darkness and yuk they are refusing to accept and fully acknowledge, so they are using the ‘bad spirit’ as an excuse and just another escape from their own inner demons and tormenters. To believe Satan or his minions are after you, and the great battle for righteousness is being fought over your soul, is all just really denying the battle you feel you are in fighting against your own parents as they seek to assert their unloving control over you. Some I’m sure, and probably more often than less, people are only scared of themselves, their own inner badness and darkness, which is really their parents; and they are all to ready to blame unseen evil spirits or fallen angels for their misery because no one can call them on it and make them look in the mirror and face the truth they are so desperately wishing to avoid.
I’ve not thought about children being affected by ‘evil spirits’, and really I tend to feel that children are protected from outside unseen sources, it being enough their having to suffer all their parents stuff. And I think some parents are able to project so effectively their hatred and lack of love onto their children, that the child, or even the adult and parent themselves, might believe they are being interfered with by bad spirits. There are also masses of ‘loving’ spirits in the Earth planes and the mansion worlds who’d I imagine want to look after children and so protect them for the dark on their side. But of course such well meaning spirits can’t protect the child from its own parents. And having written that, I’m feeling even more strongly that children are not subjected to evil spirit influences, it is simply enough for us to cope with our parents. And by children I mean up to when they have a full working mind, so around six to seven years old.
“The videos I watched coming from others who are working with the Padgett messages as their guide concerning earth bound spirits, was what prompted this question mostly. As I watched, it seemed like a good thing to help these spirits if they were drawn to seek help and if it happened as a natural part of what was to unfold for both parties involved. Mostly though, it didn't feel clean to me as far as you said about motives in doing this kind of work.” And I agree with you about this. I think there will be people involved with spirits in all sorts of ways as part of their healing, and no doubt helping the spirits as well; and then people involved in all sorts of ways with them once healed. We are, as part of humanity’s overall healing, to once and for all sort out our relationship with the spirit worlds, so that will mean investigating it all, just as you Desire are seeking to do in your way. Humanity is meant to have a seamless relationship with the spirit worlds. We are meant to have them positively involved in all aspects of our lives, and so when we die, we know where we are going and so are looking forward to our live continuing on over there. We are to remove all fear of the spirit and unseen worlds, all that was put into mankind by the ‘Fallen Ones’. We are to look to them as they look to us, with us all understanding we are children of the same Parents, all just at different phases of our soul evolution and ascension. And I’d tend to back your feelings of apprehension, it not feeling clean as you said, with these peoples work with spirits. I could imagine you’d be able to see the ego’s involved and how such people are using such ‘work’ to further deny themselves their bad feelings.
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One young girl I met could just open her inner eye and there they all were, always wanting to talk with her, tell her things, yet when she spoke with them it was just boring nonsense stuff, so she had to work to keep her inner door closed to them. But now I understand looking back that secretly she liked the attention, she needed it feeling lonely, and was reluctant to do what I suggested which would have made her give up such attention.
Some I’m sure, and probably more often than less, people are only scared of themselves, their own inner badness and darkness, which is really their parents; and they are all to ready to blame unseen evil spirits or fallen angels for their misery because no one can call them on it and make them look in the mirror and face the truth they are so desperately wishing to avoid.
You've said so much in your reply...how we fill in these gaps in our lives with trying to obey the religious spirits or trying to be people who are providing "help" to these lost spirits...all ways to avoid this work of going to the roots emotionally of feeling all the pain of not ever being loved by our parents. And what you say about the curiosity with spirits that seems to be coming along with doing my own soul work...that we are all just at different states in our healing and soul progression and that it's not weird or strange to be open to friendship with those who live unseen...it is good to explore this. Thanks again for giving what you have learned from them.
Desire has asked: People feeling over-shadowed by spirits - is that the same as being over-cloaked?
I’ve not heard the term over-cloaked before but I’d say it was the same as to the picture it conjures up. I’ve also not gone too far into this, as mostly I’ve not been very interested in the lost and dark spirits other than just overall understanding their plight, so I will ask and ‘consult’ those in the know, and see what they say about it.
James, my name is Vernisha, I am a Celestial, we’ve not met before, but I would like to help you understand more about such things.
Yes please Vernisha, please go ahead.
As you understand there are various categories such ‘lost’ spirits can be put into, but basically they consist of those spirits who are not fully aware they have died, those who are partially but not as yet actively able to freely move around the Earth planes, and those who are and can freely live as spirits in the Earth planes but still as yet have no desire to move higher into the mansion worlds, they still wanting to be ‘attached’ and associated with Earth for one reason or another. Now specifically concerning spirits overshadowing people on Earth, there are various ways this can happen. On the most, what might be called, ‘intimate’ - so far as the spirit is concerned, level, is with the person on Earth being completely unaware of their presence; then there is being partially aware or totally aware, with the spirit, again for various reasons, making a mind-connection with the person. And by mind-connection I mean, they decide they want to be with this person, so ‘are’ with them, in their mind. And this can translate to them: actually being as physically as close to the person as possible from spirit, to even seem to ‘attach’ themselves to the person going everywhere with them; to just being with them when that person is in certain places where the spirit wants to be; to just the spirit imaging and projecting in their mind being with the person but not actually moving around with them. And all this mind-connection or mind-attachment can have positive or negative effects upon the person and spirit involved, depending on the intent of both.
For the negative affect it can mean that the spirit is desiring something from the person, it wants the person to make it feel something, usually good. And it believes - mostly wrongly - that it can get what it wants from that person, and even deluding itself that that person wants to give him or herself to the spirit. So the spirit takes ‘possession’ of the person, but all in the spirits mind. A spirit can’t actually take possession of a persons body, mind or emotional system, but they can ‘use’ the person to believe they are. So they can even go to the extreme of believing that the person is doing what the spirit wants, thinking the spirits thoughts, feeling the spirits feelings, being nothing more then enslaved to the spirit, hence the notion of Satanism and all the dark satanic stuff by which spirits ‘take over’ the person making them do whatever it is the spirit wants. But no spirit actually has this power, not even Mary and Jesus for it’s forbidden for such spirits to interfere to heavily with people on Earth. In times gone by, spirits and angels were able to be far more forceful, demonstrative and able to frighten people into doing what they wanted, but still there is no such thing as actual possession like a lot of people believe. People who are said to be ‘possessed’ have not actually been possessed but have in ways been open to the influences of spirits who are ‘attached’ to them, and so speaking the spirits words or doing mad things, but still no actual possession has taken place. What does happen is the mind of person being so deranged and distorted by their beliefs and bad state allows them to be open to such negative spirit mental influence; yet still within that person, there will be some desire for this to happen, and mostly for the attention. It is all of course all very extreme and very sad, however that is what it is.
So Vernisha, what about such things as split personalities, where people seem to be different personalities at different times? Are spirits involved them?
That is all part of the derangement of the persons mind. They are just personality attributes of the individual that become ‘fully personalised’ as it were. Certain parts of their own personality sort of splits off and is given its own identity of sorts, and with such false identities, spirits can also come and work, interfere and influence, so it can become very complicated as to who is who and just what is really going on. I also want to tell you that many people in their desperate desire for some attention and feelings of being important often unconsciously ‘call’ for spirit attention. And this can be both negative and positive. On the positive side, it is what often then leads to the person feeling special as they are given - told - or receive messages, insights, understanding and so forth, but it will all be mental, mind to mind. No spirit can become involved in ones feelings and emotions, nor can a spirit cause you on Earth to feel specific real emotions or feelings. They only have access to your mind, but of course, depending on your mind, such mental influences can then affect your emotions and feelings. And you are doing this anyway in your negative states with your mind in control of your feelings and emotions, so the spirits just use what’s already there.
Yes, I understand that. So what about this spirit-cloaking Desire has asked about?
It’s just another broad or generalised term that covers all I’ve said. It’s the same as how ‘overshadowing’ is used.
Can such spirits ‘leech’ the energy of someone on Earth?
Yes, but it’s still with the consent of the person, albeit such a person might be unconscious they are giving such consent. You can liken it to the parent that ‘steals’ its child’s energy. With the child believing it has to give itself, its life, its light, its love, its energy to make its parent feel better. And so that pattern is established in the person, deep within the child of the adult person, which the unseen spirit is able to tap into. So just as that person might join up with another person in the same child-parent bond, so the person giving all to the other, and even feeling the other is draining them of their life force but feels powerless to stop it, so one can establish a similar child-parent relationship with an unseen spirit. You are still having a relationship, only you might not even be aware of the spirit. So all such spirit-mortal relationships, whether conscious or unconscious are governed of course by the child-parent relationships of both involved. And so whilst both are still of a negative state of mind, so all such relationships will only move both parties deeper into their truth and self denial. They are negative relationships even if both seem to gain a lot of good from them, feeling very good, happy and loved. Just as are all your relationships with each other on Earth whilst in the negative.
Does much of this unseen relationship between people and spirits go on?
More than you might think. Many people have spirits with them in some capacity, there are masses of these ‘lost’ spirits in the Earth planes basically wondering what to do with themselves. But for the most part because people on Earth are mostly ignorant of such unseen presences, and are so totally absorbed in their Earth lives, the spirits don’t find much of a connection and lose interest. But should someone open up to spirits, even unconsciously, then there will be spirits in attendance with them. But I also want you to understand that most spirits being with people in this way is what you might call ‘benign’, it does no harm to the person nor interferes with them in any way. It’s a minority that actually causes problems, just as it’s also a minority that brings about a ‘positive’ relationship (‘positive’ whilst both are in a negative state. Very Positive, when both are in a positive state of mind.)
I understand. Vernisha, can you please give me some specific examples of overshadowing?
I will tell you of myself James and some of what I have personally experienced.
All right, that sounds good.
I grew up in India but died just after I’d given birth to my second daughter. My children were my all, I lived for them. I was very young when given to my husband and was mostly afraid of him, although I didn’t know him and really he wasn’t a bad man, I’d just had very little experience of men, not even much to do with my father. When I died I didn’t understand I had died, as hard as that might sound. I only wanted to be with my two girls. My new baby, although being looked after by a kind and gentle auntie, needed me. I was filled with such pain, I longed to hug and hold and be with my babies which I did constantly from spirit. I would lie with them both when they were asleep, I would even cuddle them when they were being cuddled by my auntie. I would follow them everywhere they went, always so worried that something bad would happen to them, and that if I were with them, I could protect them, ensuring they were looked after well and felt loved. And with my new-born, when she was fed, I even felt she was sucking on my breast, as I knew what that felt like from my first child. It was as if I were at-one with them, I were them as they were me. I was very lost in my mind, distraught with the grief of our separation although I refused to acknowledge that I was separated. You understand from our perspective here in spirit, looking in on the Earth plane is as if we are on it, walking around, only we can walk through you and all the material structures, the rocks and trees. And we can hear all you say, even pick up on your thoughts and feelings believing you are saying such things to us, all of which makes us when in such distracted states of mind believe we really are there with you, even though of course we are not. You see James, for of course we are not of a good, stable and sane mind, not enough to recognise that a great shift of reality has taken place for us, so we remain lost to normality, whilst we remain intent on our goal, whatever that being. My goal being to keep looking after my children. As they grew older I moved my focus onto fussing and worrying and trying to tell those looking after them what they should and shouldn’t do. I was ‘blind’ to the fact that they didn’t respond to me. I would tell them, yell at them, following them around saying: Don’t do that, not like that, stop telling them to do that, give them more of that to eat she’s still hungry, and so on. And even though they on Earth took no notice of me, I was still too bound up in my disassociation of reality to realise this, I believed I was having an impact and they were doing what I said.
Were you aware of other spirits?
Yes and no. Sometimes I was, but mostly I just thought they were other people. And really I was so self-absorbed, time had no meaning. And I was too fixated on my children to even be aware of who was with them on the physical. I didn’t think, I had no rational thought, I just was - mad, I just was with them, was telling those with them what to do. And it was, so I learnt through my healing, my projection of myself as the parent I wanted my parents to be onto me being my children. I was the ‘good and loving’ parent for myself, who was my children. I was them and I was trying to love myself as I wanted to be loved. So I couldn’t give it up.
So what happened? And did you actually have any influence on your children or the people about them?
No, it was all just my own little fantasy. I had no effect whatsoever. I only affected myself. So I was a harmless spirit shadowing them everywhere they went. They couldn’t even feel my love for them, not even when they slept, because the truth was, I didn’t have any real love for them, it was all just a delusion that I did, that I loved them. I was loving myself in them, not actually them for themselves.
Did either of your children when they slept come into spirit - in their astral body state?
No, neither of them did that. Many children do, but mind didn’t. You usually need someone over here who is more loving, mostly a higher spirit who has more love, even mind-derived love from the mind mansion worlds, who’ll be able to receive such a child during their sleep. And mostly it’s someone the child has known, so they have an established rapport, such as their grandmother who dearly loves them, so they come over and be with granny whilst they sleep, provided it’s all part of their soul plan. It can’t just happen because grandma or the child wants it to happen. What happened to me was that my children grew up. It was a natural awakening in me that they didn’t actually need me as I believed they did. They got on enjoying their lives, no harm came to them, they were well looked after, and by the age of six for my first daughter she was very independent and I started to feel I wasn’t needed. I guess subtle changes were taking place in me all along as well, we are always changing, always progressing whether it’s in the negative or the positive, we never stay still, even if we seem to have stopped. So inner changes are happening, and I just evolved you might say, out of my state. One day I suddenly saw my soundings for what they were, that I wasn’t alive on Earth, I understood I had died, my pain has subsided somewhat, and I started to mix with other spirits in the Earth planes. It was however, still a long time before I moved into the first mansion world.
Do you have any experience with more darker spirits who overshadow people?
Yes, I have a wealth of experience, for you see when I did finally reach the mansion worlds, I started to feel very bad for what I had done to my children. Although I didn’t actually hurt them, nor even negatively influence them, still I felt it was wrong what I had done, and I wanted to make amends. So I set about trying to help those who were like me, those were lost in all sorts of ways. And the help those like me gave them was to just be there with them, should they need us. So I spend a lot of time with all sorts of dark spirits. I will tell you what you would consider to be the worst experience I had.
I was assigned after I’d gained a lot of experience with such spirits, to what was said to be a most evil man. It was going to test me, more than I’d already been tested. For you see, our ‘test’ is to be with these spirits but for us not to interfere with them. We are to just be ready should they appeal to us, but in no way are we to influence them. For we, spirit to spirit, can greatly influence each other. So to understand that our service to attend to the brother and sisterhood by being supportive of such lost souls who don’t want our help and support, is, so we believed, the greatest act of love and kindness and mercy we could perform, all of which is what God - so we believed - wanted us to do. And all so God would smile more favourably on us. All, we also believed, would help become better spirits and so grow as spirits in our spirit lives. And the truth of the matter is, such dark spirits don’t need our help at all, it was something we spirits made up for ourselves - our service. For should such a dark and lost spirit actually appeal for help, them someone would come to them, so no one needed to be ‘on station’ as we called it, all the time. Anyway this man was as child hater. He had killed his own children and wife, and many other children. He has even eaten certain parts of children, delighting in their purity believing that in some way their pure innocence gave him some magical power - more power over them, over other children. So he was in a very bad state in his mind, all resulting from his terribly bad upbringing, none of which I was aware of at that time. So I was on station with him, and he would prowl the streets looking for his victims, just as he’d done in the physical. He couldn’t of course now hurt anyone, but he would fixate himself on his victim, set about in his mind constructing the way he would entice and lure her away so he could have his way with her. Then he’d imagine, it all being a fantasy that he was luring her (they were all young girls), and then do all sorts of terrible sexual things to them, saying the most evil words to them, and then cutting them up whilst they were still alive, their cries and screams driving him to orgasmic ecstasy. And this was how he was on Earth, so it was the memories he was continually replaying in his spirit fantasies. He was caught and hung for his atrocities, but that did nothing to change his mind. And so you can well imagine that for me, my ‘Greatest Test’, came when he fixed on a little girl who was just like my youngest little girl had been. And it was unbearable being so attuned to his evil mind, listening and feeling all he was imagining, all the sordid ferocity and relish with which he went about his business. And it took all my strength to not interfere, but oh god it was hard. In my mind I was cutting him up in to little pieces, I was burning him at the stake, flaying him alive, doing all the horrible things I’d witnessed people on Earth do to each other whilst I’d lived in the Earth planes. I wanted to sentence him to eternal hell and damnation, calling upon God to erase his soul, as I knew that all he was doing now in his spirit life he’d done for real in his physical life. He was just replaying over and over those despicable acts he’d done on those little girls. And he went on for years and there I was just witnessing all that was going on in his mind.
And what happened in the end to him?
He was given certain time by his soul to complete all he needed to do, by which I mean, he was allowed, or even meant, to indulge in such things starting in his Earth life and following on for this time in his spirit life. Then it all abruptly came to an end. Suddenly he was taken by other higher spirits to what are called the hell planes, and he was incarcerated, chained up in his mind for the Law of Compensation to act upon him. So he had to then endure all the agonies he’d inflicted on the little girls on himself, as if he were his victims having all such terrible things done to him. This all being in keeping, as I later came to understand, with all the terrible things that had been done to him on a feeling level by his own parents and during his early life. And after years of agony, when he’d ‘paid for his sins’, then it was over and he started to wake up out of the lost mind state he’d been in, as if it were the ending of some terrible hideous dream, only it was all to real. Then he started to live free of the compulsion to inflict such pain on the innocent ones and as a regular spirit in the Earth planes.
And although my arms are so tired from typing so fast, Vernisha, what about an experience of someone in spirit who did actually hurt or effect someone on Earth.
Another man I ‘overshadowed’ was a very angry but powerful man, used to getting his own way and stopping at nothing to achieve it. He had died at the height of his power, his life being taken from him whilst he lay drunk one night, his throat was cut by those who conspired to rid the world of him. He awoke in his spirit body, but unknowing he was dead and set about carrying on as he had done. But very soon he got very frustrated because no one would do as he said anymore, which quickly reduced him to the pathetic little powerless coward that he was, all that he was of course trying to hide from in his ‘false’ power. And soon he found that he didn’t want to go out into the world being fearful of ridicule and humiliation, so found himself what he believed was a secure room in which to basically hide. It was in an old house in the country that has been left unattended for years. And he felt safe in it, no one knew, so he believed, that he was there. He had had, so I found out as he did his healing, a safe haven in a room attached to the garden cottage during his young life, so now he was back in it, so he believed. But the house was sold and the new owners started to do it up, which started to upset him. His room was left to last, the new owners not understanding what the odd feeling about it was. And the closer it came to ‘tackling that odd room’ the more nervous and angry he became. And with his anger returned something of his old power. And he discovered that by sheer brute force he could affect certain things to happen in the physical. So he banged the door at night when they slept, stomped around in his room which was upstairs when the owners were downstairs, all hoping to scare them away. Which in the end worked when he also found he could play on their fears doing things to scare them even more when they felt scared. So he was able to compound their fears, which depressed them and made them sick as it started to bring up and key into their repressed feelings, and all to the point of their having to leave in the end, and sell the ‘haunted’ house. So he was able to scare off many people until one day a man who didn’t care about him and just ignored his antics laughing at him, telling him to carry on stomping and slamming the door and making all the general disturbances, which made him feel powerless again, and he left.
I’ve heard stories about such spirits.
Which is why I’ve used this example, to help you understand from the spirits side what might be going on.
I read about spirits trying to ‘jump’ into unsuspecting people, as if they could somehow inhabit and take over their body. Is there any truth to this, even though you said possession can’t happen?
Yes, in that many of these lost spirits try to do such things, but as I said, it’s not actually possible. Such things as ‘Walk-ins’ for example, a supposedly higher spirit entering and taking over the body of a lesser one, or even in some way ‘upgrading’ the consciousness of the lesser; or of a spirit just wanting to kick out the consciousness of another on Earth so they can have that body, are all fantasies James. Nothing like that can happen. Your body is strictly a manifestation of your soul, so another with their own soul can’t take it over and suddenly start inhabiting it. Their soul would have to keep the body going as if it were its own body, which can’t happen. The body is only part of the souls personality, an attribute of the personality of the soul that the soul is currently manifesting in the physical, and so another soul can’t manifest the attribute of another’s personality. You James, your soul, for example, can’t manifest an attribute of my souls personality by stepping into my body taking it over and keeping it going as if it were now part of your soul personality expression. But what you read James does happen, as in for example, if you are at a public house fairly well ‘under the weather’ and the same pub is frequented by Earth bound spirits, then for fun, and often with evil malicious intent, such spirits can pretend to ‘jump into’ your body whilst you’re not of your right state of mind. A lot of people have mediumistic tendencies, and so when drunk or stoned are more open to spirits coming and ‘taking over’ their minds and bodies. But all that can happen, as with all intentional mediums, is the spirit can ‘use’ the mind, and so body, of a willing, and sometimes, unwilling, participant on Earth. The spirit doesn’t actually move into the body of the medium as is often thought, but the spirit can move so close to the body that for intents and purposes it appears to be ‘inside’ the persons body, but still they are both separate with the spirit impressing its mind on the medium, affecting that which it wants the medium to say or do with its body. But no actual possession, as in the spirit usurping or transplanting the person from their body can happen. So such ‘drunk’ spirits can have a hoot of a time pretending they are or have ‘possessed’ the likewise inebriated person, using their minds to get that drunk person to say or do odd things. And in reading your mind for your next question, yes it’s the same for malicious spirits wanting to harm others in flesh. So a person susceptible to be ‘possessed by evil spirits’, or even a person susceptible to being ‘possessed by the Holy Spirit’ or Spirit of God, can readily be influenced by such spirits, but all still with the consent in one way or another of the person. So the person unwilling to take responsibility for their bad repressed feelings and feeling the sudden ‘urge to kill’ or rape for example, blaming such urges on evil spirits, including Satan or the Devil, possessing them or taking over their minds and telling them what to do, is still only because they are willing to ‘give over’ their mind and body to the attending spirit, even if unconsciously. And in this way evil spirits can do bad things, yet still the person ‘under their nefarious control’ must at some point take responsibility for such atrocious acts, they can’t always just blame the spirit with themselves being the innocent victim. And unconsciously, although the person being ‘possessed’ might feign repulsion at what the spirit is ‘making’ them do, still on deeper levels it’s what they do want to do themselves, but are too weak or powerless to do it, having to ‘use’ or hide behind the spirit, so getting the spirit to in fact ‘do their dirty work’.
Yes, I’ve see that in a mild way. People complaining about spirits always getting them to do this and that, as if they are the innocent victim blaming the spirit, and yet they won’t give up their connection with the spirit, for what then would they have, and they’d certainly not have all the attention the spirit is giving personally to them, and giving to them by making other people be interested in them.
It is all just power verses powerlessness, as you understand, with the relationship and interaction between spirits and mortals being just another way to express such feelings. If you look to all such odd or weird ‘happenings’ from spirit, this is what you’ll see at the root of it all.
Vernisha, thank you so much for coming, it has been an unexpected surprise feeling you suddenly wanting to write. It is an area I’ve not thoroughly explored, but now I feel I understand it more.
Well James, should you wish to ask me more, don’t hesitate to ask.
Okay, I will ask, thank you very much.
And thank you too Desire for asking your questions, and please don’t hesitate to ask more. And why are you enquiring about being over-cloaked anyway, if I may ask?
Post by desire2bme on Jun 19, 2014 12:18:38 GMT 10
Can such spirits ‘leech’ the energy of someone on Earth?
Yes, but it’s still with the consent of the person, albeit such a person might be unconscious they are giving such consent. You can liken it to the parent that ‘steals’ its child’s energy. With the child believing it has to give itself, its life, its light, its love, its energy to make its parent feel better. And so that pattern is established in the person, deep within the child of the adult person, which the unseen spirit is able to tap into.
Reading this reminds me of how burned out I used to feel at the end of a day when I worked as a "counselor". The pattern you speak of here of giving myself away to make others feel more relief in their own life was established in me by watching my mother and then living from her example. I always felt like there was something exchanged between those who came to me for help as I agreed to play the garbage can for any crap they needed to dispose of. At that time I lived in complete denial of my own self which must have allowed a wide open place for what did feel like my life being leeched out.
The morning I woke up after I married my husband, I felt like someone had hit me over the head with a 2 by 4 and with this I felt an almost palpable connection of a place in me that was being hooked into by my husband...and it was like he was being fed through this weird connection. The more I do my own soul work and see my part of creating that being sucked dry connection, the more my husband is feeling into his own lack of energy within himself. It has moved him into reading about food allergies and seeking out what he may need or omit in his diet that could help him feel better physically. Before seeing my need to stay on my own side of the line and take care of my own soul work, I was always quick to take upon myself his dis-ease and heaviness. Now I can only take care of my own and work through it and he is finally being respected enough by me to be allowed to do his own work as well.
Along with this feeling leeched business, I wonder what is happening to me when I go into the city and spend any time in shopping malls. I am used to being out in the middle of nowhere out in the country and seldom ever go to shopping malls anymore doing my clothing shopping mostly over the internet. I decided to go last week to a mall and after less than a couple hours, I was wiped out...I could feel my body just feeling drained out and I got back home and went to bed early. It feels like a barrage of who knows what that just wears me down and I wonder what it is in me that opens me to this happening. Shopping as a child with my mother was usually done one day right before school started. She'd take a day with me and my younger sister and we'd rush rush rush from store to store. I hated it...never seemed to be able to find my size in clothes always being in between sizes and there wasn't the feeling of there being enough time to find anything that I really liked. I have never enjoyed the shopping for clothes process...fitting in to the crazy styles that keep on being promoted and I tend to still be finding myself between sizes rarely finding anything I really like. Yes, I have wished at times of having been born a tribeswoman where little to no clothes would be worn! Anyway, I guess what goes on at the shopping center could just be a rehash of this kind of childhood reoccurring event, but it just feels like there's something else in here with all of that because of the feeling of energy drain that happens. What is the truth...show me please God.
So with this pattern established for me in my childhood of feeling like I need to allow others to lay their burden down on me, from what you have written I have spent my life with a wide open place for any spirit being able to take advantage of that as well as those people in my life in physical form. So as I keep on staying to the task of making my own feelings priority and taking time to express and process them, does this close up the space that used to be wide open?
It is all just power verses powerlessness, as you understand, with the relationship and interaction between spirits and mortals being just another way to express such feelings. If you look to all such odd or weird ‘happenings’ from spirit, this is what you’ll see at the root of it all.
Feeling powerless is the description I would give to the predominant way I felt all through my childhood...most of my siblings being older helped me feel without any say or power along with feeling powerless to be able to change my parents to create the happy family I so wanted. I find as I purposely exercise my will toward my personal soul healing that my own muscle of conscious choice in this direction is closing off places in me that my feelings of powerlessness opened up to spirit influence...if that makes any sense.
My curiosity with over-cloaking comes from seeing spiritual gurus and teachers who go into like a trance when they speak...it's like they give themselves over to someone. Also with all of the exploring of religious paths I have done, I myself have felt like I gave myself over to belief systems which would be like handing over my mind to the religious spirit as I continued to live in self-denial. Right now I still have a friend who lives on the other side of the country who grew up in the christian science religion...Mrs. Eddy and then Joel Goldsmith as teachers she has followed through their books. She has been so dedicated to their teachings that it's like she...who she really is...is hardly ever there when I talk to her. When shit hits the fan for her emotionally, she may call and be open to hear another way of seeing things because there is no room for emotion at all in the teachings she follows. And during these times she may pop out of the influence she seems to be under most of the time. As you and Vernisha (thank you so much for all you have given to answer my question) have shared, I am seeing it's mind influence that is happening and it just seems like she is being taken over.
All this makes my desire to keep my own soul work as priority even more! Thanks so much for asking for examples James from Vernisha. Her stories of how she lived as spirit with her children being here on earth and the big test she endured with the man who hated children was incredibly helpful for me to get what kind of reasons spirits are doing what they do...they're just like me, being moved by repressed crap that hasn't been worked out yet.
One more over-cloaking question: Child prodigies - I wonder what's going on there with these kids. Are they actually living their own lives in their gifts and talents or is this being given to them by spirits over-cloaking?
Last Edit: Jun 19, 2014 23:31:06 GMT 10 by desire2bme
Vernisha, hello, can I ask you some more questions please?
Certainly James, please go ahead.
Desire was saying how when she went to the city shopping she felt so drained, in reference to her feeling perhaps leeched in energy by unseen attending spirits as she might be open to that sort of thing. Can you say anything about this?
Firstly you understand it is for Desire to uncover the truth of such feelings for herself through her own experiences, so I will not say one way or another as to whether or not she is right in such feelings or suspicions she has.
Okay, I understand that. And I wouldn’t want you to anyway, I was thinking about going along the lines of generally speaking using Desire as an example, just to shed more light on what might go on between us on Earth and such Earth bound spirits as we were speaking about the other day.
Such things can and do happen and so are very real. If you are ‘sensitive’ to other’s feelings and emotions, then yes, you can ‘pick up on’ them in other people and spirits too. You know yourself how you feel going back into the city, how you have to work at ‘blocking out’ the negative energy that seems more concentrated there - as it is. However I will say that no matter what you feel about coming from the outside world, be it from other people or spirits, it is ALL still going to relate back to your relationship with your parents during your forming years. So for example, in your case James, it has been right for you feel so anxious and nervous going shopping and coming back exhausted and drained like Desire and with a headache vowing never again. But each time as you’ve embraced such bad feelings, working through them expressing them to Marion and your discussions about all that’s come to light, so you’ve come to realise yet another aspect of yourself in relation to your early life with your parents, family or other influential people.
Yes, I have, countless times now.
And so you could see that it might even be right for you to be ‘interfered with’ by unseen spirits, by their dark energy or lower light in such places all to help you have the necessary ‘bad-feeling’ experience your soul wants you to have, all so you can bring to light more of your repressed feelings and uncover more truth.
I have suspected such things happen, and I understand why. It was the same as going to the card reader who said I had thyroid problems and should come and see him and he would ‘give me healing’. And then he said the same thing to my sister who followed him up on his offer buying all sorts of potions from him, none of which did anything for her. I asked the Father about it back then, and He said: I might want you to have thyroid problems as part of your healing, and getting ‘healing’ for that would only interfere with what I want you to experience. I wasn’t with Marion at that time, but since being with her and similar things happening, I have been able to focus on the fear that arose thinking I might have thyroid problems, helping me to go deeper into my yuk.
Yes, so it’s the same as with all your bad experiences whilst you’re doing your healing. They will all of course give rise to fear and other bad feelings, which as you acknowledge and work on will lead you to the truth of why they do, and so if you no longer need to be ‘exposed to negative spirits’ or whatever it is, even no longer having a problem with your thyroid, then your aura will change, as you will have changed, and so you won’t be interfered with by or be susceptible to such spirits, and your physical problems will go away.
So whether I am affected by negative spirits energy, say they leeching it from my aura and spiritual system, is only relevant so far as all the bad feelings it brings up in me to help me bring more truth and understanding about myself to light.
Yes. And it might worry you greatly feeling you are pursued by such dark evil ‘entities’ (spirits, as they are only spirits, nothing else), giving rise to a host of bad feelings during each experience for you to focus on, express and seek the truth of. And when you’re no longer needing such experiences to help bring up deeper repressed early childhood feelings in you, so they will cease, you simply won’t feel scared or bothered by them. So ‘evil’ spirits could hang around you all day and you’d not care, as you’d not feel bad. Or, if you did feel bad, so you’d just express those feelings looking for the truth of them.
Okay, I understand all that. So can I just ask you some questions about spirits in such places like cities.
Presumably the Earth bound spirits like to be around people more than anything else, so as there are more people in the cities, so more of them.
Yes. Of course there are the ones, just like people, who want the more remote populated places, but generally humanity tends to cling together in the belief that they all need each other - what they can get from each other. They believe and so feel that they’d be too lonely being stuck out in the country by themselves because they are desperately needing love. So as you all congregate together doing things with each other like shopping and work, so you can keep your attention off your underlying bad feelings. And it’s just the same for these spirits. What better place to help you deny your repressed feelings than to be with lots of other people or spirits all doing the same things.
Yes, of course.
Most spirits congregating in certain areas of cities are themselves from cities so they feel ‘more at home’ in them, and in some places there are huge numbers of them, all of which can create an oppressive atmosphere to someone on Earth who doesn’t want to be part of all that. Whereas for someone who does, they might feel a ‘buzz’ and be excited by the ‘energy’ of that part of the city, feeling even ‘uplifted’ by it. So, like attracts like.
Vernisha, do you know of Barbara Ann Brennan’s work on the aura?
Yes. I know all you have read James, I am part of your primary Celestial band. And we know more about that sort of thing anyway, we being more ‘of the spirit’.
So, can you see the auras of each other as Celestials, and of us on Earth?
No, however we can sense them. Although I had better qualify that. Some Celestials can (we of your band don’t), those spirits with such abilities to ‘see’ into the more subtle realms. These spirits being what are usually referred to as the ‘healers of light’, meaning, they can work in the subtle systems of your aura, as those spirits helping Barbara did as she mentions in her books, although they are mind mansion world spirits and not Celestials - they’ve not done their soul-healing or feeling-healing, so she doesn’t teach about that. And the angels can easily see into all the depths of our being (but not into our soul - that is the angels we work with. I think much higher Superangels might even be able to see into the soul to some extent). And we can work with the angels from the Celestial level. But it’s a minority of spirits who have ability to look into and so affect change in a persons aura - spirit light system, should they be required to. I don’t personally have such ability, however as my soul-perceptions advance, so I can perceive with them what the angels and such healing spirits can see. I have studied such things - enough to at least answer any questions you might have James.
All right. So what I was thinking of was those ‘chords’ I think Barbara described them as (it’s been ages since I looked at her books), that attach us to each other. Can you say more about them and how do they relate to us in our healing?
It’s a very complex area of study you understand. Medicine and science is constantly astounded by the complexity of the physical body, and yet it is simple when compared to the complexity of the spirit body and subtle levels that unite all that you call your aura including your physical body - which is the full expression of your personality by your soul in Creation. However I will try to briefly give you some idea of what’s involved. As you understand, as souls we are always interacting with other souls, all to produce the desired experiences we need to generate feelings so we can uncover the truth of our soul. Such interaction can be categorised, with each category being further broken down into many other levels, but simply: Primary - with your parents; Secondary - with your close family; next - extended family; then loved ones other than family, longer term friends, shorter term, momentary acquaintances. And a special category all of itself, and more complex than all the above together: soulmate relationship. With each of these relationships and their interactions, including those you have with nature, such as your pets and any other close animal and plant relationships (being of another separate category) your soul sends out light into Creation interacting with the light from other souls; and in the case of nature, nature spirits, angels and other mind creations of the Universal Mind (The Divine Minister and Infinite Daughter Spirit). These soul connections become in Creation known simply as ‘Light Connections’, and they exist whilst you are in a relationship with whomever your soul wants you to be in a relationship with. Everything as you understand is governed by our souls. So even before we incarnate, such light connections are happening and evolving - growing brighter with our parents to begin with, and then everyone else who is to come into our life. The ‘cords’ Barbara refers to are these light connections. They are very real, you could in a spirit sense, even ‘hold’ them, yet they are of such a fine light - vibration, you of course can’t. But they are as real as your physical and spirit body, more real than your thoughts and emotions, even though they too are very real.
I understand. So we’re all heavily wired into each other.
Far more than you could imagine. I couldn’t even begin to tell you how many millions, billions, trillions - zillions? of lights there are within each main light connection, all numbered as far as the angels are concerned. Anyway, keeping it simple, and so far as your healing is concerned, you are as you say, wired into your parents from the beginning with your wiring increasing as you form and grow through childhood to adulthood, with different phases of childhood ending and adulthood taking over. But basically by the time you’re twenty-eight to thirty, most of the major light connections are in place, even if your parents died when you were young, or you’ve separated (so you believe) no longer seeing or having anything to do with them. So more is always going on in all our relationships on deeper levels than we are aware of. Now it even gets more complicated as to how we then carry on with our primary and other relationship patterns formed through our early lives as we move out into the world meeting new people and establishing new relationships. Again depending on our souls requirements for our life experience needs, either to advance us in untruth in our truth-denying states or advance us in our healing or in our truth evolving states once we’ve healed ourselves, other people and even spirits can come and ‘take the place’ of our family and early carers. And by that I mean, they are able, because of the souls involved, to key or slot into the existing light connections, adding to them. So you meet the ‘love of your life’ James, and really she is keying into part of your primary connection with your mother, part with one of your grandmothers, part with a woman who cared for you when you were young, part with an unseen spirit who was before she died influential in your life, and so on. And you feel you are ‘in love’, all being soul-orchestrated, all a mental delusion and fantasy whilst you’re in your unloving negative state, all giving rise to incredibly powerful feelings you call love declaring to each other you are soulmates - which you aren’t. So you are simply continuing the patterns established in you through your forming years and childhood, those patterns serving to give rise to certain feelings, and so ones you can also deny whilst in your feeling-denial state of mind and will; and you have children, passing on by imposing those patterns you’ve inherited, so to speak, and so it goes. Through your healing you’ll wake up to how you are projecting your early patterns onto your spouse or intimate partner and others in your life. And through your ongoing acknowledgement of all your feelings, and in particular the ones you are denying and refusing to accept, so each of your light connections will come under scrutiny to the extent required by your soul so you can grow in truth seeing the extent of your evilness - denial of truth and love.
Do our, let’s say, Primary connections, so those with our parents, ever end?
Yes they can, but technically only when we’ve seen the whole truth of our evilness so far as what the Mother and Father want us to see.
So by the time we’re of a Celestial level of truth.
Yes. As would also happen were you not of rebellion and living with a positive mind state. By the time you are Celestial, then you are truly ‘set free’ as it were from such early forming light connections. However that’s not to say you will actually end your relationship with your parents, for some spirits, and in time as people achieve the Celestial level on Earth, they are still have relationships with them, however for these spirits and people new light connections will be formed to reflect the changed relationship. So all truly positive and truly loving.
So new light connections are forming and presumably ending all the time.
Yes. And that can happen at the speed of Creational light; and they are not influenced or conditioned - limited, by time or space.
So I’m still connected to mum and dad, mum a few hundred miles away, and even though I don’t see her and haven’t done so for years now; and dad who’s been dead for just as many years.
Well I certainly do feel connected to them, and that gives me the shits. I feel very angry about it, not being able to be free of them.
Which can’t happen as you need to keep working on the connections through your healing.
And what about those people who have nothing to do with their parents, or even those people who have a so-called loving relationship, and then do their healing.
If they’ve had nothing to do with them, the light connections are still there only not as active as when they will have things to do with them through their healing.
But they won’t have to necessarily have things in person to do with them, so far I’ve been able to do all my healing without seeing mum, and it would be a bit hard trying to see dad unless I had an astral experience.
He could come into the Earth plane if he was needed to be closer to you James, but no, that doesn’t seem to be necessary so far in your healing. And as for those people who have loving relationships with their parents, when they start to do their healing, then of course those relationships are going to change, as will the light connections.
As they have to face the truth of what really their relationships are.
So what about the leeching of ones energy, how does that happen?
That’s a separate thing to the light-cord connections. When two people or spirits, or person and spirit come together, as part of the interplay between the dominant and less so, the aggressor and victim, the powerful one and powerless one, other energy connections, also of light, are established, but these exist owing to the patterns of the mind and the corresponding behaviour of all involved. These things can be driven by the souls light connections, but they are separate things, something Barbara didn’t quite understand.
Yes, like she mentioned say when someone came into the room, and sort of tentacles like an octopus might reach out from that person to another through the room even if it’s crowded, so the two might feel a connection, or they might not, but are still drawn together, or one feels drained of energy without quite knowing why.
Yes, all those sorts of things can happen. Usually they are motived by people wanting to control others, and some people can fine true and apply such control without another knowing. And if the other is open to such things, often unconsciously open, it all still fitting in with the established childhood patterns within each person or spirit concerned, then such things can happen. The light is drawn off the victims aura moving into the mental part of the aggressors aura, as it’s all mind control. It’s all that is attributed to mind control - having control over another’s mind. And by mind, often then also feelings and emotions to some degree.
Like casting a spell on someone for example and making or willing - thinking, them to fall in love with you, and they doing so.
Yes. And many such so-called spiritual beliefs use these connections such as pointing the bone or Voodoo all with the help of spirits. But you need the patterns and beliefs already established for such interplay, all of which comes from your early life. So that’s why some people seem susceptible to such things and others not.
I don’t have much mind control so I can’t really relate to what you’re saying.
You’re not focused that way James, you weren’t allowed to be, it wasn’t part of your early pattern.
I met a guy in my New Age days who reckoned he would manipulate energy and seduced women he massaged into having sex with him by using his energy. He might have been full of shit.
No, it’s possible, such women wanting to be seduced like that. I can perceive through your mind your memories of him, and such people work hard at trying to gain such control, wrongly believing it makes them more spiritual, more superior, being able to control the unseen elemental forces. And of course such people often draw to them such spirits who are like themselves also wanting such control. You’ve not had such mental power James, although you’ve fantasied about it.
I don’t feel like I have any power, no longer even the power to make up such a fantasy, it all being stripped from me.
All because it’s false power.
Yes. Vernisha, thank you again for your time. I don’t have any more to ask you at the moment. I don’t think we covered what I was really wanting to ask you about, however it was good to understand such things some more.
As I said James, just call, and we can continue anytime.
Oh, just before you go, this being unrelated, but how many of you have I met now?
In your primary Celestial band?
All right, well thank you again.
Goodbye James - Vernisha, Celestial spirit from Earth.
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Post by desire2bme on Jun 23, 2014 12:20:34 GMT 10
Holy smokes....there is so much in this...need time to take it all in. THANK YOU both - to you James for asking such incredible questions and to Vernisha for all you have offered in these answers. BTW so great of you to not want to interfere and allow me to get to the bottom of the truth for myself with the specifics of my own shopping mall craziness! I know...it's what Love does (or should I say doesn't do) and I am actually glad this is how it must play out. I look forward to keep digging for the truth treasures.