Holy Spirit
Feb 7, 2014 12:16:36 GMT 10
Post by James on Feb 7, 2014 12:16:36 GMT 10
Can we derive comfort from the Holy Spirit?
Technically the Holy Spirit is not really a spirit in that it doesn’t have personality, so it itself is not responsive to us. It is just a vehicle, even in a way a mechanism that plays a very specific role, that being conveying the Divine Love into our soul. It is really like a circuit, and a circuit of the Divine Minister who we can read about in The Urantia Book. So we can’t actually get any comfort or feeling of love or even Divine Love, by longing for, asking, or praying to the Holy Spirit to give it to us.
Many people assign personality attributes to the Holy Spirit but it’s wrong to do so, as it can’t speak to us, heal us; it can’t actually do anything with us - we can’t directly interact with it. It’s only a conduit for distributing the Divine Love throughout Mary and Jesus’ universe - Nebadon, which we live in. So the feeling of comfort one might get when the Holy Spirit comes about you is love from the Mother and Father. It does feel very nice when the Holy Spirit embraces you, you can feel the intensity of its light, however it’s the Mother and Father loving you as the Holy Spirit delivers Their Love into your soul that makes you feel the warm and fuzzy feeling.
And it’s to them we long asking for Their Love, which They will respond to. We can long to Them asking Them to bestow the Holy Spirit on us, but that’s meaningless and nothing will happen. It’s Them, Their Love we want, we want to be loved by Them, so we go directly to Them. This being what Jesus and Mary want us to understand. It’s ALL ONLY BETWEEN US AND OUR MOTHER AND FATHER. So it’s all love, which is the direct and personal interaction that we’re longing for by longing to Them for Their Love. And we have to reach out to Them because we’re in a love-denial state of mind and will. So we are really affirming to ourselves that yes we want Their Love instead of no we don’t want it. So it’s part of our ending our rejection of Them.
So receiving the Divine Love can make us feel comforted as love does, but really it’s the truth that gives that deep comforting feeling of it’s all right - I AM ALRIGHT, a nice deep inner reassuring feeling of security. Which is why the truth is so vital to us, because even if we were filled with love, natural love or Divine Love, if we didn’t have the security and comfort of truth within us, the love would be floating on nothing concrete, just like air and with no home to go to. So the truth is what we need to build on in our hearts from our soul, the truth giving us that foundation of spirit, that feeling that we are real, we are true, we are a true and real spirit, we are a vital part of Creation, a vital personality, a child of living truth, a truth-child of God. And with our truth secure in us, then the love has something to work on and from; then by feeling so secure and wanted and fulfilled in truth, can we feel truly happy and loved. So it’s not so much that we don’t feel loved that’s our real problem, because we are very much loved, but it’s that we live truth-denying lives which don’t allow the love to make us feel loved - we stop ourselves from feeling loved by ourselves, nature and our Mother and Father.
The true comforters are the Spirits of Truth. And these spirits are like the Holy Spirit having no personality of their own, they just responding to our longing for the truth, which if we use our feelings to seek, will engage within our system thereby helping the truth come to us as it came to Mary and Jesus. Mary and Jesus liberated their Spirits of Truth upon their deaths, and if we long for and seek the truth as you have naturally been doing, then what you’re in effect doing is allowing Jesus and Mary as it were, to come to you via their Spirits of Truth, and comfort you, that being, allowing you to feel good and secure and loved just as you’ve said you do by them, as if Mary and Jesus were with you in person. But as they can’t physically be with us all at the same time should we all be longing to them for their help, so the Mother and Father have designed their soul to liberate their Spirits of Truth to help us all on their behalf if you like.
And because we’re looking to Mary and Jesus, they being the head spiritual personalities of truth in Nebadon, then as we receive the help of their Spirits of Truth, the truth that comes all has ‘their flavour’ to it, if I can put it that way, which means we all end up following them, and being able to relate to the truth and all in the universe and Creation like they do - so in effect we all end up speaking the same ‘language of truth’. So why we have all these different mind-spiritualites and religious systems all saying they are true and some even being helped by the Spirit of Truth is because they are not doing what you are doing, failing to long to BOTH Mary and Jesus, so failing to gain the full benefit of their Spirits of Truth, so failing not to live the truth as Mary and Jesus are. So such people and mind spirits, although they say they believe in Jesus and follow him are not true followers because they are not embracing or allowing his AND Mary’s Spirit of Truth to work within their soul.
So the love and comfort we feel from the truth comes from Mary and Jesus via their Spirits of Truth interacting with our own soul of truth. And then the love and also comfort we might think we’re deriving from the Holy Spirit, actually is directly from the Mother and Father, They sending Their Love to us via the Divine Minister who activates Her Holy Spirit to bring it directly into our soul.
It’s all part of the various Trinities involved, which we can read about in The Urantia Book.
So the whole idea is that we are to relate on a personal - so personality level, with these higher spirits and God.
So by going directly to the Mother and Father and longing for Their Love and Truth, so we are also engaging - looking to and acknowledging - Mary and Jesus for who they are, and the Divine Minister. All of them being real personalities we can communicate and interact with. So they are the ones we need to focus on, knowing the non-personalities whom we can’t actually interact and communicate with, the Holy Spirit and Spirits of Truth, are just there doing the necessary work in response to and because of our direct interaction with Mary and Jesus, the Mother and Father and the Divine Minister.
So we can pray and long to the Mother and Father to love us as we long for Their Divine Love, and if we long for the Truth, and desire to follow and so be true as Mary and Jesus are, then we can know as we look to our feelings to show us the truth, that their Spirits of Truth will be activated in consequence of that true desire, just as the Divine Minister will activate the Holy Spirit sending it to our soul as a consequence of our direct and true longing to the Mother and Father for Their Love. But we have to long to Them and not the Divine Minister as She will only act on what They want for us. So it all comes down to really just wanting to be as perfect as the Mother and Father are - as it says in The Urantia Book, and all else will follow from that. Then we can do as Mary and Jesus say, to help us achieve perfection, which really means to relate to our Mother and Father as they relate to Them, being achieved as we heal ourselves of our imperfect states by doing our soul-healing.
You might like to try this exercise: It’s to see if you feel a difference between the Divine Minister and the Holy Spirit on an interactive personality level.
In your quiet time, ask the Divine Minister to be with you, and ask Her to make you feel She is with you so you know and so FEEL She is a real personality, someone you can interact with, even someone you can love and feel loved by.
Then ask the Holy Spirit to be present with you, and ask it too to make you FEEL it is a real personality, and see if you can detect or feel any difference. When I do it, I get nothing from the Holy Spirit, just a sort of flat --------, but when I open up to the Divine Minister I get an overwhelming feeling of Her presence, and one of great depth, humour and support.
Another thing I often do is when I long for the Divine Love and feel the Holy Spirit coming about me, I open out welcoming the Divine Minister, as I feel her ‘at the back of’ or ‘behind’ the Holy Spirit. So I can sense or perceive Her presence and Her directing the Holy Spirit to be with me. And along these lines its then also quite easy to ‘tune in’ with ones angelic helpers - angel guides, and even the nature spirits, the whole angelic expression of Creation. As the Divine Minister is the ‘Mother’ to all the angels and nature spirits and other such beings in spirit of mind-creation in Nebadon.
Technically the Holy Spirit is not really a spirit in that it doesn’t have personality, so it itself is not responsive to us. It is just a vehicle, even in a way a mechanism that plays a very specific role, that being conveying the Divine Love into our soul. It is really like a circuit, and a circuit of the Divine Minister who we can read about in The Urantia Book. So we can’t actually get any comfort or feeling of love or even Divine Love, by longing for, asking, or praying to the Holy Spirit to give it to us.
Many people assign personality attributes to the Holy Spirit but it’s wrong to do so, as it can’t speak to us, heal us; it can’t actually do anything with us - we can’t directly interact with it. It’s only a conduit for distributing the Divine Love throughout Mary and Jesus’ universe - Nebadon, which we live in. So the feeling of comfort one might get when the Holy Spirit comes about you is love from the Mother and Father. It does feel very nice when the Holy Spirit embraces you, you can feel the intensity of its light, however it’s the Mother and Father loving you as the Holy Spirit delivers Their Love into your soul that makes you feel the warm and fuzzy feeling.
And it’s to them we long asking for Their Love, which They will respond to. We can long to Them asking Them to bestow the Holy Spirit on us, but that’s meaningless and nothing will happen. It’s Them, Their Love we want, we want to be loved by Them, so we go directly to Them. This being what Jesus and Mary want us to understand. It’s ALL ONLY BETWEEN US AND OUR MOTHER AND FATHER. So it’s all love, which is the direct and personal interaction that we’re longing for by longing to Them for Their Love. And we have to reach out to Them because we’re in a love-denial state of mind and will. So we are really affirming to ourselves that yes we want Their Love instead of no we don’t want it. So it’s part of our ending our rejection of Them.
So receiving the Divine Love can make us feel comforted as love does, but really it’s the truth that gives that deep comforting feeling of it’s all right - I AM ALRIGHT, a nice deep inner reassuring feeling of security. Which is why the truth is so vital to us, because even if we were filled with love, natural love or Divine Love, if we didn’t have the security and comfort of truth within us, the love would be floating on nothing concrete, just like air and with no home to go to. So the truth is what we need to build on in our hearts from our soul, the truth giving us that foundation of spirit, that feeling that we are real, we are true, we are a true and real spirit, we are a vital part of Creation, a vital personality, a child of living truth, a truth-child of God. And with our truth secure in us, then the love has something to work on and from; then by feeling so secure and wanted and fulfilled in truth, can we feel truly happy and loved. So it’s not so much that we don’t feel loved that’s our real problem, because we are very much loved, but it’s that we live truth-denying lives which don’t allow the love to make us feel loved - we stop ourselves from feeling loved by ourselves, nature and our Mother and Father.
The true comforters are the Spirits of Truth. And these spirits are like the Holy Spirit having no personality of their own, they just responding to our longing for the truth, which if we use our feelings to seek, will engage within our system thereby helping the truth come to us as it came to Mary and Jesus. Mary and Jesus liberated their Spirits of Truth upon their deaths, and if we long for and seek the truth as you have naturally been doing, then what you’re in effect doing is allowing Jesus and Mary as it were, to come to you via their Spirits of Truth, and comfort you, that being, allowing you to feel good and secure and loved just as you’ve said you do by them, as if Mary and Jesus were with you in person. But as they can’t physically be with us all at the same time should we all be longing to them for their help, so the Mother and Father have designed their soul to liberate their Spirits of Truth to help us all on their behalf if you like.
And because we’re looking to Mary and Jesus, they being the head spiritual personalities of truth in Nebadon, then as we receive the help of their Spirits of Truth, the truth that comes all has ‘their flavour’ to it, if I can put it that way, which means we all end up following them, and being able to relate to the truth and all in the universe and Creation like they do - so in effect we all end up speaking the same ‘language of truth’. So why we have all these different mind-spiritualites and religious systems all saying they are true and some even being helped by the Spirit of Truth is because they are not doing what you are doing, failing to long to BOTH Mary and Jesus, so failing to gain the full benefit of their Spirits of Truth, so failing not to live the truth as Mary and Jesus are. So such people and mind spirits, although they say they believe in Jesus and follow him are not true followers because they are not embracing or allowing his AND Mary’s Spirit of Truth to work within their soul.
So the love and comfort we feel from the truth comes from Mary and Jesus via their Spirits of Truth interacting with our own soul of truth. And then the love and also comfort we might think we’re deriving from the Holy Spirit, actually is directly from the Mother and Father, They sending Their Love to us via the Divine Minister who activates Her Holy Spirit to bring it directly into our soul.
It’s all part of the various Trinities involved, which we can read about in The Urantia Book.
So the whole idea is that we are to relate on a personal - so personality level, with these higher spirits and God.
So by going directly to the Mother and Father and longing for Their Love and Truth, so we are also engaging - looking to and acknowledging - Mary and Jesus for who they are, and the Divine Minister. All of them being real personalities we can communicate and interact with. So they are the ones we need to focus on, knowing the non-personalities whom we can’t actually interact and communicate with, the Holy Spirit and Spirits of Truth, are just there doing the necessary work in response to and because of our direct interaction with Mary and Jesus, the Mother and Father and the Divine Minister.
So we can pray and long to the Mother and Father to love us as we long for Their Divine Love, and if we long for the Truth, and desire to follow and so be true as Mary and Jesus are, then we can know as we look to our feelings to show us the truth, that their Spirits of Truth will be activated in consequence of that true desire, just as the Divine Minister will activate the Holy Spirit sending it to our soul as a consequence of our direct and true longing to the Mother and Father for Their Love. But we have to long to Them and not the Divine Minister as She will only act on what They want for us. So it all comes down to really just wanting to be as perfect as the Mother and Father are - as it says in The Urantia Book, and all else will follow from that. Then we can do as Mary and Jesus say, to help us achieve perfection, which really means to relate to our Mother and Father as they relate to Them, being achieved as we heal ourselves of our imperfect states by doing our soul-healing.
You might like to try this exercise: It’s to see if you feel a difference between the Divine Minister and the Holy Spirit on an interactive personality level.
In your quiet time, ask the Divine Minister to be with you, and ask Her to make you feel She is with you so you know and so FEEL She is a real personality, someone you can interact with, even someone you can love and feel loved by.
Then ask the Holy Spirit to be present with you, and ask it too to make you FEEL it is a real personality, and see if you can detect or feel any difference. When I do it, I get nothing from the Holy Spirit, just a sort of flat --------, but when I open up to the Divine Minister I get an overwhelming feeling of Her presence, and one of great depth, humour and support.
Another thing I often do is when I long for the Divine Love and feel the Holy Spirit coming about me, I open out welcoming the Divine Minister, as I feel her ‘at the back of’ or ‘behind’ the Holy Spirit. So I can sense or perceive Her presence and Her directing the Holy Spirit to be with me. And along these lines its then also quite easy to ‘tune in’ with ones angelic helpers - angel guides, and even the nature spirits, the whole angelic expression of Creation. As the Divine Minister is the ‘Mother’ to all the angels and nature spirits and other such beings in spirit of mind-creation in Nebadon.