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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 13:51:08 GMT 10
I'm posting some of my comments I've made to comments mostly on the website Before It's News, where occasionally I post some of my writing and some of the Padgett Messages. I'm posting them here for they cover a diverse range of subjects, all pertinent to understanding Divine Love Spirituality - that being, how I see things. All of what I say has come to me resulting from doing my healing with Marion, or from what I've been told by spirits.
The Padgett Messages tell us we can live a full and passionate life with belief in Jesus and getting to know our Heavenly Father without the need for organised religion. And in fact will have a much freer relationship with them being free of all the man-contrived dogma. We have to see beyond the limitations of believing only what’s in the Bible, looking further afield should we want to find the ‘True Way’. It’s all there now for the sincere truth seeking soul, all preparing for the new Spiritual Age. And the ‘New Way’ begins with the Padgett Messages... and then add The Urantia Book... and then... And then you do your soul-healing and embrace the hidden feminine aspects of truth and God.
Many people (I used to be one of them) are put off by the words ‘Jesus’ and ‘the Father’ because of their significance to the Christian teachings, whereas the truth, is, should one want to advance ones soul, that we do have to lovingly embrace them both, but in the way revealed for us by Jesus in the Padgett Messages. Jesus has come again to us through James Padgett, and I for one are very thankful to him for doing so, for at least we can begin to make sense of all that for so many years hasn’t made any sense, not unless you engage in mind contortions.
I didn’t want to know about God, couldn’t stomach Jesus or the Father, rejecting religion at school. I then went through the New Age, speaking with spirits, first about all the stuff to do with ‘creating your own reality’ and ‘mind over matter’, then moving onto embracing God as my Heavenly Father all thanks to the Padgett Messages. And when I started to specifically long to God for His Divine Love, as said in the Padgett Messages, everything else went out the window. So I had to reject religion as it was taught to me, thereby finding my own, and proving to myself that one doesn’t have to be ‘Christian’ or anything else for that matter, to follow Jesus striving to live the truth he lives, and long be as perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect.
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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 13:53:15 GMT 10
Try this: during a quiet time, long to God for His Divine Love. Long and yearn with your feelings to God for His Love. You can also back up and support your longing with any words you might want to say, asking God to please fill your soul with His Divine Love, for example, and see what happens. See if you can feel the Love flowing into your soul.
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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 13:53:44 GMT 10
Not at all, it just means such a 'Harvest' might not be now, it might be in the future; or it might be symbolic that with Jesus' re-revealing of the truth beginning with the Padgett Messages, the Harvest is taking place now - it's begun, and will continue right through the next spiritual and planetary age. And all those people who persist in looking to the material realm for their comfort, including both rich and poor (because there are just as many poor people who consider themselves elite and superior over other poor people, or even richer and superior to rich people, only in other ways), will be shown in time that their 'Way of the Mind' is not the true 'Way of the Heart - of FEELINGS', as they are forced in one way or another to give up trying to assert control over themselves, nature, everyone else and God.
And only those people who look to do their healing - look to become true to themselves, will actually succeed in giving up the 'pleasures and allurements' thereby being the ones who are 'harvesting themselves' if you like, as they remove themselves from their self-imposed cross and evilness.
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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 13:54:30 GMT 10
I find it an interesting thing to ponder:
The soul is existential, existing in its own what could be called for want or a better word: soul-land. God's Soul is existential, existing in this Soul-Land, and it seeks to 'Know Itself'. And It's achieving this through all in Creation - through us. As we get to know ourselves through our feelings and NOT through our mind, so too do we get to know God; and so too does God get to know Himself. How better to get to know yourself than through your own children, because your child will always be reflecting back to you yourself - through how you're treating them.
So God's Soul is expressing Itself in what is called Creation, Creation being created by that Soul, and being experiential. And our souls are doing the same thing. They, like God, are expressing their personality in Creation, we being conscious of that, of ourselves being a soul-personality.
So in the souls domain, everything is all-known, there is no freedom of will, there is no time, no experience, no past or present, only NOW - whatever that even is, as it's all existential.
But then there is ALSO, the experiential, in which we have a degree of freedom to think, feel and act. And so we are self-willed in Creation, in our personality expression, yet within that there are still well defined boundaries, so ultimately limiting our complete free-will. But we have, if you like, more than enough free will to make us feel we're in control should we seek such control using our minds, but as we give up such control instead living with our feelings 'in control', then we move to feel more in tune with our soul, and a nice feeling of knowing that God is looking after you and everything comes up within you, and you don't have to worry - you are Loved!
Jesus explains in the Padgett Messages how upon partaking of the Divine Love, and as we do our healing, so our 'soul-perceptions' awaken through our feelings, and it's through these 'extra' perceptions coming from our soul that we truly get to know, and can know, God. And so without these soul-perceptions, one will never move out of the mind trying to understand and interpret everything, so one will never be able to 'KNOW' God, only at best, believe with the mind that God is real.
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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 13:55:00 GMT 10
Re: the Second Coming of Jesus. Something else to consider. The Urantia Book points out that there are many higher types of spirits - Descending Sons (and Daughters - so far as I'm concerned), Jesus and Mary Magdalene being the two main ones concerning us. However there are others (Avonals) and lots of them, all of which could be called Christs. And any of them could potentially come to Earth to help humanity move to the next stage in its spiritual growth.
So concerning Jesus saying he will come again, yes, he the person might come again as in through the Morontia Temple in the far distant future. And as for the Christ to come again, that means at any time one of these higher spirit pairs could come, those who's soul are capable of liberating Spirits of Truth - that which to my mind the word 'Christ' is actually referring to.
So Christ could return soon, at any moment for the spiritual age is turning and requires such a higher spirit to make it happen; or, Jesus himself in person could return should he wish to materialise on Earth. But what can't happen is Jesus coming as the Christ again, because he's already liberated his Spirit of Truth, and so they'd be nothing gained by him coming again anyway in that capacity. He's already achieved his necessary personality individuality through his Earth bestowal and incarnation.
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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 13:56:00 GMT 10
B..., I do not mean to just give over to ones emotions, for I agree that might be foolhardy, especially as they can be influenced by our mind and its beliefs. I am however suggesting that instead of being afraid of ones FEELINGS, one can use them, by looking to fully accept and express them - WHILST SEEKING THEIR TRUTH, THE TRUTH THEY ARE TRYING TO SHOW US, thereby moving with them and not against them as so many of us do by denying and controlling them with our minds.
You see, for myself all thanks to my wife, I have found that my feelings are my way to my truth, that being, they are closer to my soul than my minds thoughts and beliefs. And by looking to them, looking into them, all whilst; and I STRESS: longing for the truth of them, as that is what you keeps you sane and on track when submitting to them, especially all the bad ones, then the truth of oneself, the truth of ones soul, is revealed. And it is, that much I have experienced. And I believe this is the true way to grow in truth, through the experience of our feelings rather than through our minds.
As far as personality goes, I’ve not considered it in the light of exalting it, however now you’ve brought it up, yes I do exalt it, yet not for egotistical reasons. Personality is God’s gift to us, it’s the true wonder of all, and the fact that God has Personality is what makes us able to get to know God as God can get to know us. So for me, life, Creation, everything, every experience we have, is about bringing more of ourselves - our personality, out into being, all so we can ‘know thyself’. And we’ve only got ourselves to know, we are an ongoing constant amazing study of self; and yes, I do feel that it is through ourselves as we get to know ourselves so we get to personally know God. I can’t see any other way. It’s all going in, not out, into the paradise of ourselves - our soul, as we ascend in truth inwards through Creation to the Paradise of Soul - God.
So as we grow in truth - the truth of our soul, so too as we growing in the truth of God. I see we are to experience God through and with our feelings, and not our minds as so many people are trying to do, this being so far as I can see, their difficulty and limitation. Our mind is to support our feelings, not the other way around. We’re not meant to subject our feelings and emotions enslaving them to our minds, and it’s a big leap of faith to start to submit to your feelings, express them, and seek their truth. Because if you do this, then you start doing your healing, and then you’ll come up against all that’s wrong within you, that being what most people are trying to avoid.
We only need to be humbled because we’re living untrue to ourselves by denying so many of our bad feelings. Were we living true, we’d just naturally be humble and perfect. We are something of a ‘false man’ in our negative and evil states, and that we have to heal. And when healed, we will truly be as Jesus says in his prayer for the Divine Love in the Padgett Messages: ‘...the greatest of Thy creations...’
I think God is part of His creation, and that’s the whole point of Creation, for God to get to know Himself through it - through us. We read in The Urantia Book that God gives to each of us a part of His spirit called the Indwelling Spirit of God, it being what a lot of people confuse with the Higher Self. So through these indwelling spirits, God is very much apart of and participating directly from within Creation, and from without as you are saying through the soul.
I think there’s a lot you can learn about the potter by examining the pottery. If I am one of God’s handiworks, then as I examine myself, getting closer to my soul as I grow in truth, then so too am I learning about God, which is what I love about the whole thing.
And B.., thank you for your stimulating comments, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed thinking about them and seeing what I feel.
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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 13:56:37 GMT 10
I agree with you B.., and more so each day, that God, of course, is in complete control of it all, so does want us to be evil, and for all the reasons we can uncover in ourselves through our healing.
And that to have such a 'negative' experience holds great value, that which no doubt we'll be drawing upon for the rest of eternity.
And that we also, when we decide - or, when God decided, no longer have to live in such a self and feeling-denying way, we no longer have to be evil, and so God will put in motion - such thoughts as our no longer wanting to remain evil, so we can work - with Him - to get ourselves out of it.
And more and more I'm enjoying the experience of having 'free will' within a context or life that has none, with God being in control of it all. I'm appreciating the dichotomy. I'm not longer finding I have to have it one way or the other. I'm just accepting it all. That is, accepting it as much as God is wanting me to accept it!!!
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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 14:01:37 GMT 10
I agree with what you’re saying B... It took me a long time through my soul-healing to come to the realisation and acceptance that God has set it all up so humanity could be subjected to Rebellion. And then He has wanted me, for reasons I am yet still unaware, to begin life subjected to such rebellion, so I’ve taken it on becoming evil like we all do. And now for me personally, and for whatever reasons I am still to uncover, God is helping me to see the way to do my healing, so I can get myself out of my evilness. And I believe that in the fullness of time, I will benefit from my negative experience of living untrue to myself, and the healing of it. And already I am benefiting, for as much as I hate living untrue, still to live knowing what it feels like to feel so unloved, and to be so unloving being evil; then to see why I feel so unloved; then to work my way out of it feeling gradually more loved, is helping me appreciate love more than perhaps I might have had I never been subjected to being and feeling unloved, had I grown up on a perfect world.
I think human nature is the expression of perfect natural love: ‘truth, beauty and goodness’ (re: the Urantia Book). And it’s only that we’re living untrue to ourselves in our evilness that we are forced into having to feel and so express jealousy, lust and greed. And if we were parented truly lovingly we’d never feel or have the need for the bad stuff.
And as far as anything washing away our sins goes, we don’t get off the hook that easy, it’s all hard slog having to work through all those areas of yourself that are making you not be truly loving.
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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 14:02:55 GMT 10
Try this: Ask yourself - am I denying one bad feeling? For example, I feel jealous but stop myself from feeling that way, telling myself I must not, for it’s bad to feel this way - I am a naughty boy - STOP IT!
And so if you can look at yourself and truthfully say, yes, I am denying feelings and not fully allowing them to be and have their say, then you are living denying yourself; or, being untrue to yourself, untrue to all you feel. And this simple act of going against yourself, which many of us do countless times a day, is sinning against our soul; it’s what, in my opinion, being evil is really all about. Simply being untrue to oneself.
And so to become true, we need to look for the reasons of why we’re denying our bad feelings - denying any feelings, as we can also stop ourselves from feeling all the good ones. And that is how we wash away our sins, by uncovering the truth of our self-denial, by setting ourselves free through the truth, the truth then replacing our untruth. B.., thank you for your response. And I’ve been thinking more about this too, there’s a lot in it, and it holds a lot of deeper truth; you said: “WHAT IF the baby’s slamming a screwdriver into the outlet did actually redound to his growth and establishment as a creature of more complete being?” It’s interesting and I’ve wrestled with it a lot over the years as it brings up the notion of control. How much control should we impose over ourselves and of course, our children. Should one be completely free to do as ones pleases - total free will, or should one conform following the authority’s letter of the law - our parents.
And if we were free to put the screwdriver into the outlet what would happen... and if we died, would this be such a bad thing moving on into our spirit lives.
And then it brings into question the notion of free will, and do we really have it, or is it that God allows us to believe we do, and gives us experiences of our personality expression that makes us feel like we’re in control, when in fact God is controlling our every thought, word and deed, all good and bad ones, through our soul. God being the creator of our soul.
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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 14:05:13 GMT 10
There aren't any demons, that's all childish belief that unfortunately so many little children have to suffer form at the hands of their parents. And if one were to read The Urantia Book, you'd see how by Jesus' coming the Rebellion ended with most of the higher spirits and fallen angels no longer having any ability to affect us on Earth or those susceptible in the mansion worlds.
I am open to truth coming from any source and in any way, automatic writing included, and I trust in my feelings, which is all any of us can do anyway, that that truth that resonates with me is good for me, helping to take me to the next stage in my journey.
There is nothing to fear from spirits when you understand they are just people, all the good and bad people of Earth who die and go to live in the various planes and sectors in the spirit mansion worlds. And so if you open yourself up to them, then you can get in touch with good or bad spirits. And if you feel overpowered by 'bad' spirits, then it's only because deeper within you you're still wanting their attention for some reason, those reasons coming to light should you want to do your soul-healing.
The spirits worlds are a HUGE resource for us, there are masses of well-meaning spirits, even many of ones own family and ancestors that would dearly love to help us with our lives on Earth. We are NOT meant to live our physical lives alone, shut off from such spirit help, as we are all still apart of humanity. And it's such a pity that so many in the religions are made to be afraid of such spirits, doing themselves and the spirits out of what could potentially be great joy.
If you've ever experienced 'getting a message' of love or hope from the 'other side' then it gives you such a thrill, helping you to feel that much more aware of the wonder and 'Greatness of God'.
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Post by James on Nov 16, 2013 14:06:22 GMT 10
And furthermore, spiritual history will look back on James Padgett’s work as one of the major turning points for mankind. James Padgett did after all ‘receive’ Jesus’ Second Coming of truth. Get it – Jesus came through James Padgett to give to us all the necessary truth he revealed back when he was on Earth, the very same truth we’ve perverted and corrupted. Jesus had to come back and re-reveal the Truths of Divine Love because he knew we’d take it all for ourselves and screw it up, misusing such truth for our own selfish power and ego needs.
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Post by James on Nov 18, 2013 20:13:58 GMT 10
You might be right about that M..., but I only feel, and have only ever felt, greatly disturbed trying to read the Bible, yet when I read The Urantia Book or the Padgett Messages it’s effortless, like it’s what I’ve been looking for all along.
I wanted to make one more point about Jesus dying on the cross for our sins referring to a comment above, and it involves Jesus being the ‘Living Truth’ who is always showing us The Truth. So by his dying in such a horrible way, he is showing us the truth of ourselves, holding up a mirror to us if you like. And so from that we can gather that in fact it’s ourself that is nailed to a cross and dying on it. We keep ourselves nailed to it by living untrue to ourselves persisting in our negative, unloving and evil ways, making ourselves feel very bad, all of which bad feelings we then deny telling ourselves we instead feel good. And that we – our souls – are dying, we’re slowly killing ourselves by not allowing ourselves to be free to express all we feel. So we are the sad cases, all hanging up there in our hollow lives, all having to battle with each other such as in these comments, all whilst deluding ourselves that we know ‘The Way’, when really, we have to admit, we don’t have a clue. I feel it’s only when we can let go of IT ALL that then we start to understand what it really means by being Born Again, or as Jesus says in the PM’s, ‘Born Anew’.
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Post by James on Nov 18, 2013 20:17:58 GMT 10
T..., I don’t read the Bible, never have, I’ve never been able to make sense of it. My mind can’t deal with trying to ‘see the hidden meaning’ in things, I can only cope with the plain facts and stuff, even truth, that makes sense to me, and most in the Padgett Messages rings true to me. However in many ways I’ve also moved on from the PM’s because there’s a lot not said in them, like the whole feminine aspect or side to God; and what Mary Magdalene, Jesus’ soul-mate would have said to us had she been able to rise up to her full position of Light when on Earth.
And the question about why would Jesus have to die for us – for us sins, is as he said in the PM’s, wrong. I think his death does allow us to consider how we – humanity – rejected Jesus and Mary, how we rebelled and indeed are still rebelling against them, the Churches being the perfect example of this. For had we truly accepted him – them, and all they came to show us, things would have been very different.
For me the whole of this age of Mary’s and Jesus (these past 2000 years) is one in which humanity has taken all they offered us, and used it for our own selfish ends, using it to further our untruth, instead of using to help us understand our immortal souls.
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Post by James on Nov 18, 2013 20:22:10 GMT 10
I think human nature is the expression of perfect natural love: ‘truth, beauty and goodness’ (re: the Urantia Book). And it’s only that we’re living untrue to ourselves in our evilness that we are forced into having to feel and so express jealousy, lust and greed. And if we were parented truly lovingly we’d never feel or have the need for the bad stuff.
And as far as anything washing away our sins goes, we don’t get off the hook that easy, it’s all hard slog having to work through all those areas of yourself that are making you not be truly loving.
Try this: Ask yourself – am I denying one bad feeling? For example, I feel jealous but stop myself from feeling that way, telling myself I must not, for it’s bad to feel this way – I am a naughty boy – STOP IT!
And so if you can look at yourself and truthfully say, yes, I am denying feelings and not fully allowing them to be and have their say, then you are living denying yourself; or, being untrue to yourself, untrue to all you feel. And this simple act of going against yourself, which many of us do countless times a day, is sinning against our soul; it’s what, in my opinion, being evil is really all about. Simply being untrue to oneself.
And so to become true, we need to look for the reasons of why we’re denying our bad feelings – denying any feelings, as we can also stop ourselves from feeling all the good ones. And that is how we wash away our sins, by uncovering the truth of our self-denial, by setting ourselves free through the truth, the truth then replacing our untruth.
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Post by James on Nov 18, 2013 20:23:29 GMT 10
So according to scripture, Jesus of the Padgett Messages is a false Christ. But what would happen if it turns out that the Jesus you people believe in according to scripture is only a fantasy, and the Jesus speaking above in this Padgett Message is the true Christ? This stuff is sure not for the faint hearted!
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Post by James on Nov 18, 2013 20:24:54 GMT 10
These reactions to the Padgett Messages shows me that if Jesus did come to Earth today, most of those people who ‘believe’ in him, would reject him – probably want to nail him to a cross!
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Post by James on Nov 18, 2013 20:27:14 GMT 10
s..., from reading The Urantia Book, there is also a possibly that a lot of what is said in Revelation and even what you’ve said concerning Jesus coming and all will see him, might actually be referring to a fast distant time when humanity has healed itself of its rebellion and the Morontia Temple descends to Earth for the enlightened humans of that age. For through the Temple all will be able to see Jesus descend to Earth, and he will be coming in full celebration on a planetary visit, thereby lovingly embracing everyone who has partaken of the Divine Love and is living a Celestial level of truth in flesh. So things might be a little confused as to what could possibly happen now with the End Times, and what might happen many years hence.
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Post by James on Nov 18, 2013 20:29:19 GMT 10
I am glad you said that about the article being 180 degrees from what the Bible says, because that’s what I reckon too. And that’s why Jesus had to come again, to James Padgett, so as to tell us the truth and help sort out some of the confusion brought about by the untruth in the Bible. In the Padgett Messages, Jesus says his coming to James Padgett is his Second Coming of truth, so all those people waiting from him are going to be waiting a very long time.
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