Immortality of the soul and personality
Nov 24, 2017 21:14:56 GMT 10
Post by James on Nov 24, 2017 21:14:56 GMT 10
Immortality.
From various sources over the past couple of weeks, truth about Immortality has come up. Even to the degree of being asked to specifically write about it for the forum. So that’s what I have done. I will do it in point form trying to summarise it as I understand it to be.
- It’s about soul immortality and not dying and moving on to continue living in spirit. It’s not just life after death. It’s about our soul becoming divine and no longer being of Natural love, because all that is Natural love could possibly one day cease to be. Everything in the Natural love Universe changes and ceasing to be as it was, so if we remain just in Natural love, could that happen to us too? Natural love being we understand in the image of God. So all in the image might one day perish, whereas all that is divine and of the essence of God will remain forevermore. So to ‘divine’ our soul means we’ll be immortal, and of the essence of God - divine like God is.
- Jesus sums it up for us through James Padgett in these two paragraphs in his prayer for Divine Love.
WE PRAY THAT THOU WILL OPEN UP OUR SOULS TO THE INFLOWING OF THY LOVE, AND THAT THEN WILL COME THY HOLY SPIRIT TO BRING INTO OUR SOULS THIS, THY DIVINE LOVE, IN GREAT ABUNDANCE, UNTIL OUR SOULS SHALL BE TRANSFORMED INTO THE VERY ESSENCE OF THYSELF; AND THAT THERE WILL COME TO US FAITH – SUCH FAITH AS WILL CAUSE US TO REALISE THAT WE ARE TRULY THY CHILDREN AND ONE WITH THEE IN VERY SUBSTANCE, AND NOT IN IMAGE ONLY.
LET US HAVE SUCH FAITH AS WILL CAUSE US TO KNOW THAT THOU ART OUR FATHER, AND THE BESTOWER OF EVERY GOOD AND PERFECT GIFT, AND THAT ONLY WE, OURSELVES, CAN PREVENT THY LOVE CHANGING US FROM THE MORTAL INTO THE IMMORTAL.
And the word in the first paragraph I want to focus on is ‘until’ as this means that it will take time for our souls to be transformed by the Divine Love. And as I understand, that time is the doing of our Soul-Healing, through which we gradually perfect our Natural love upon which the Divine Love can work to transform into being divine.
The prayer doesn’t mention anything about our sins and errors going, only that we’ll have such faith that we’ll come to recognise at some point that we’re a child of God and like God is - divine.
And in the second paragraph, that only we can prevent ourselves allowing the Divine Love to change us, this being by not doing our Healing. This being the example as shown now to us by the people of the so-called ‘Divine Love movement’ who don’t seem to make much inner progress when compared to people doing their Healing.
- Does the Divine Love inspire and make us do our Healing; or is it that we want to do that ourselves in and through and with our Natural love, because we feel bad and want to feel good, without the Divine Love actually affecting or influencing us in anyway?
From my experiences and all the spirits have told me, and because one can do one’s Natural love Feeling Healing without the Divine Love, so it would seem that our Healing ourselves, coming to see all the truth of our sins and errors by living true to them, is something we are to do ourselves, and the inclusion of the Divine Love doesn’t make this harder or easier in anyway.
And what it does do, is just add yet more layers that need to be Healed and understood through one’s feelings, so deepens one’s Healing because it then means one has to deal directly with one’s relationship with God. And for me, that means with both the Mother and Father separately, and then together as One.
I understand that the effects of the Divine Love upon our soul are purely technical, as in, when we reach the level of perfect Natural love, which is done in stages throughout our Healing, then the Divine Love will work to transform that love. With the whole Healing and so transformation, being complete by the time one is Celestial. With that being of a Celestial level of truth; that you are no longer of error or sin; are fully Natural love perfect and true; and also divine to that level of truth because you’ve been partaking of the Divine Love all throughout your Healing. And that can happen in spirit or on Earth.
- At the end of our Healing, when that Big Moment happens, it’s best demonstrated in spirit when we fuse with our Indwelling Spirit and move out of the mansion worlds and into the first Celestial sphere, a very, very big experience. And once we’re Celestial, life in spirit is very different compared to what it was in the mansion worlds. You are a fully fledged spirit citizen of Nebadon, albeit still a morontial citizen and not a fully full spirit (one which we are once we leave Nebadon stepping out into the Greater Universe), yet still a divine being, a divine soul that is expressing divinely its personality in a divine Celestial heaven and of a divine level of truth.
We can also become Celestial on Earth, and it waits to be seen what such people will be like and how they will conduct their true, pure, Healed and divinely perfect lives and self-expression in amongst those people still of the wrongness and mansion world levels of truth.
- For me it’s actually soul-fusion with our Indwelling Spirit which is the big thing. The Indwelling spirit is divine, a divine part of God’s actual spirit. It comes and resides within our higher mind once our Natural love mind is developed enough to accomodate it - at around six to seven years old.
So we have this divine spirit fragment of God existing within our Natural love personality system, with the potential for us to become at-one with it, to literally fuse with it. So our personality system has to become divine too, which happens as we partake of the Divine Love and ‘divine’ our soul as our Healing progresses. Our divine love soul progressing expressing our progressively becoming divine personality.
So we first need to do our Healing to perfect our Natural love. We could never fuse with our Indwelling Spirit whilst we’re imperfect and in rebellion by default against it. Whilst we’re untrue, we’re rebelling against our own soul - we don’t want to be true; we’re rebelling against all that is divine love and truth, so against Mary M and Jesus, and against our Heavenly Mother and Father - so we don’t want to become divine; and we’re rebelling against our Indwelling Spirit, not seeking fusion with it, so we don’t want to become at-one with God within ourselves through fusion with the divine spirit fragment of God.
Once (or as) we perfect our Natural love, then we can also partake of the Divine Love, which progressively transforms our soul as we evolve through our Healing. And by the time we’re fully Healed, and have also received enough Divine Love to qualify for complete soul transformation into the divine, then we are ready on the soul level to fuse with our divine Indwelling Spirit residing in our personality.
So the union between God and man happens, as our Indwelling Spirit fuses permanently with our soul, thereby guaranteeing our eternal survival - or Immortality.
Once we have attained soul fusion with our Indwelling Spirit, then that part of God’s spirit that dwells within us, is to remain within us, permanently united to our soul forevermore, this being very important, because God is not going to destroy a part of Her or Himself. We’re effectively part of God’s Soul then, being liked through God’s Spirit, and so it would be like God cutting off one of Their arms, and They aren’t going to do that, so God is not going to cut us off.
Also, the Indwelling spirit comes into us being pre-personality, it isn’t individualised, it doesn’t have a name and number in its own right. It’s not a fully bona fide spirit being, it doesn’t have an existential or evolving soul, and nor does it have a personality expressing that soul. And when it fuses with our soul, then it does, it gains our soul along with our personality and soul name and personality number. And this means that not only is our soul immortal, but also is our personality, for in a way God is now able to express Her and Himself through our soul as our personality. So our personality is also divine, as is our soul, as is our personality expressing our divinity, and so our personality is ALSO guaranteed immortality. The now immortal soul can’t ever stop expressing its personality in Creation because of the union with the Indwelling Spirit. The Indwelling Spirit now demands that it retains you as its personality. So even on a personality level you and God become one. So we are at one with God both on the soul and the soul-personality level. So we’re completely divine, and therefore completely at-one with God in this way, so immortal because the divine shall never cease to be. The divine is existential, there is no ceasing to be as this would denote there being time involved, but there’s no time in the existential. Whereas in Creation, which is experiential, there is always time, a moment of creation, an existence and then an end, which is why it’s mortal.
So our Indwelling spirit guarantees our immortality, yet we need to partake of the Divine Love so as to prepare and enable the potential of our divinely created soul to become realised by becoming at-one with this inner spirit of God. This all happening at the Celestial level of truth.
- So when fusion with our Indwelling Spirit occurs, we are a new being as it were, a morontial soul and so a real spirit in the Universe. We receive our true soulname and personalitynumber, we are registered as being a permanent member of existence.
And for all intents and purposes, this is like we’ve been Born Anew, or Born Again. It’s like in many ways we’re starting out afresh, we’re now perfect, and free to live and grow in truth through our feelings as we uncover the truth of our divine perfection.
Some people believe we are Born Again or Anew with the first drop of Divine Love we receive into our soul, and on a technical level this is so, because our soul now is different to what it was when it was only of Natural love. It has a very small element of divinity within it, and that element can’t cease to be. However the full potential of becoming Born Anew is not realised until we’ve Healed our wrongness, continued to partake of the Divine Love through our Healing thereby transforming our soul into the divine, and fused with our Indwelling Spirit, thereby starting our ‘new life’ at a Celestial level of truth.
- It is said by some people of the ‘Divine Love movement’ that you can’t fully transform your soul and so become completely Born Anew during your earth life. That it is simply too much to do, the process of transformation being too slow as evidenced by many people having been partaking of the Love now for many years, even a greater part of their lives, and they are still a long way from seeing all their sins and errors going. Certain changes have taken place as far as they are concerned, however going by their own lives and the level at which people on earth like themselves have died and begun their new spirit lives - it not being anywhere near the Celestials as one might have thought; together with the fact that James Padgett himself, Dr Samuels and Dr Stone didn’t seem to fully transform their souls and they were working flat out with Jesus and all the Celestials helping them, that it’s too much to expect that you’ll be able to completely transform yourself during your earth life, having to complete in spirit.
However, such people are not doing their true Soul-Healing with the Divine Love. And although no one as yet has completed their Healing and attained a Celestial level of truth, I don’t see any reason for saying it can’t be done. I think it can, and it won’t be long before people start showing it by completing their Healing, their divine transformation, and experiencing a level of fusion with their Indwelling Spirit (I say a ‘level’ as I don’t think they’ll be able to fully experience it as that would require translation of them directly into the first Celestial world without undergoing a normal death. And that is for a far distant fully Healed humanity. However they would certainly experience a strong feeling denoting a level of fusion with their Indwelling Spirit). And so becoming truely immortal on earth - one of the real or true Immortals, and a living example of a ‘whole new type’ of person - a Celestial in flesh.
And this has to happen, because such Immortals are to one day have children who’ll be born completely perfect in their Natural love, and so free to live and grow up and partake of the Divine Love as Jesus and Mary M did (all provided it’s within this, or the more likely, the next Spiritual Age whilst the Divine Love continues to be available), these people being the first to be conceived and so born rebellion-free.
- From what I understand, our soul is divine in that it’s been created by Divine Parents, we being Their divine Children. Which you come to know as a truth within your soul as you partake of Their Divine Love. However, whilst humanity is not divine, and only of Natural love, so the soul is able to manifest its two personalities in life as Natural love, it’s self being of Natural love. Which is why Jesus in the Padgett Messages says our soul is of Natural love and not divine. Because for all intents and purposes, it is Natural love reflecting the level of love and truth that its to express its two personalities into.
However, what happens as humanity heals itself and becomes increasingly divine? And from what I understand, the soul will reflect that increasing divinity in accordance with the prevailing age it is incarnating its two personalities into. So for example. We are in an age of Natural love, so we’re all incarnated into Natural love. And were parents to fully Heal themselves, becoming divine and have children, then still those children’s soul would be of Natural love, although of perfected Natural love because of the parents perfection. And at some point those children would have to partake of the Divine Love, and become divine.
What happens if the Divine Love is withdrawn? Then the souls incarnating would be of Natural love reflecting the levels of truth or untruth of their parents.
And what happens if the Divine Love is available and the age is a divine age, meaning the whole of humanity would have completed its Healing, it would be in the ages of Light and Life, so the soul would incarnate reflecting divine perfection, that being of the levels of its divine parents. It would still have to partake of the Divine Love, thereby increasing its divinity, but as to its Natural love expression, that would all be within or under the umbrella of its divinity like how it is for the Celestial spirits. So it would like the Celestial spirits being able to have children, the children being born straight into their Celestial spheres, however doing so on earth in flesh. Because by then, when that happens for humanity, it means the mansion worlds are no more, and effectively the Celestial spheres are manifest on earth. So people when the die simply fuse with their Indwelling spirit and translate directly into the first Celestial sphere, then move to whatever level of Celestial truth they might have attained on earth.
- Some of this you can read about in The Urantia Book, such as the Indwelling Spirit and translation on advanced worlds of Light and Life, however most of it I’ve either worked out for myself or have been told by spirits. And I’m still growing in my understanding of it, so it is all ‘subject to change’. However this is as I presently understand it. And should more understanding come to light, I will endeavour to add to this post. And if you have any questions about any of it, please ask as it’s always good to go over it as it sheds more light on it all.
From various sources over the past couple of weeks, truth about Immortality has come up. Even to the degree of being asked to specifically write about it for the forum. So that’s what I have done. I will do it in point form trying to summarise it as I understand it to be.
- It’s about soul immortality and not dying and moving on to continue living in spirit. It’s not just life after death. It’s about our soul becoming divine and no longer being of Natural love, because all that is Natural love could possibly one day cease to be. Everything in the Natural love Universe changes and ceasing to be as it was, so if we remain just in Natural love, could that happen to us too? Natural love being we understand in the image of God. So all in the image might one day perish, whereas all that is divine and of the essence of God will remain forevermore. So to ‘divine’ our soul means we’ll be immortal, and of the essence of God - divine like God is.
- Jesus sums it up for us through James Padgett in these two paragraphs in his prayer for Divine Love.
WE PRAY THAT THOU WILL OPEN UP OUR SOULS TO THE INFLOWING OF THY LOVE, AND THAT THEN WILL COME THY HOLY SPIRIT TO BRING INTO OUR SOULS THIS, THY DIVINE LOVE, IN GREAT ABUNDANCE, UNTIL OUR SOULS SHALL BE TRANSFORMED INTO THE VERY ESSENCE OF THYSELF; AND THAT THERE WILL COME TO US FAITH – SUCH FAITH AS WILL CAUSE US TO REALISE THAT WE ARE TRULY THY CHILDREN AND ONE WITH THEE IN VERY SUBSTANCE, AND NOT IN IMAGE ONLY.
LET US HAVE SUCH FAITH AS WILL CAUSE US TO KNOW THAT THOU ART OUR FATHER, AND THE BESTOWER OF EVERY GOOD AND PERFECT GIFT, AND THAT ONLY WE, OURSELVES, CAN PREVENT THY LOVE CHANGING US FROM THE MORTAL INTO THE IMMORTAL.
And the word in the first paragraph I want to focus on is ‘until’ as this means that it will take time for our souls to be transformed by the Divine Love. And as I understand, that time is the doing of our Soul-Healing, through which we gradually perfect our Natural love upon which the Divine Love can work to transform into being divine.
The prayer doesn’t mention anything about our sins and errors going, only that we’ll have such faith that we’ll come to recognise at some point that we’re a child of God and like God is - divine.
And in the second paragraph, that only we can prevent ourselves allowing the Divine Love to change us, this being by not doing our Healing. This being the example as shown now to us by the people of the so-called ‘Divine Love movement’ who don’t seem to make much inner progress when compared to people doing their Healing.
- Does the Divine Love inspire and make us do our Healing; or is it that we want to do that ourselves in and through and with our Natural love, because we feel bad and want to feel good, without the Divine Love actually affecting or influencing us in anyway?
From my experiences and all the spirits have told me, and because one can do one’s Natural love Feeling Healing without the Divine Love, so it would seem that our Healing ourselves, coming to see all the truth of our sins and errors by living true to them, is something we are to do ourselves, and the inclusion of the Divine Love doesn’t make this harder or easier in anyway.
And what it does do, is just add yet more layers that need to be Healed and understood through one’s feelings, so deepens one’s Healing because it then means one has to deal directly with one’s relationship with God. And for me, that means with both the Mother and Father separately, and then together as One.
I understand that the effects of the Divine Love upon our soul are purely technical, as in, when we reach the level of perfect Natural love, which is done in stages throughout our Healing, then the Divine Love will work to transform that love. With the whole Healing and so transformation, being complete by the time one is Celestial. With that being of a Celestial level of truth; that you are no longer of error or sin; are fully Natural love perfect and true; and also divine to that level of truth because you’ve been partaking of the Divine Love all throughout your Healing. And that can happen in spirit or on Earth.
- At the end of our Healing, when that Big Moment happens, it’s best demonstrated in spirit when we fuse with our Indwelling Spirit and move out of the mansion worlds and into the first Celestial sphere, a very, very big experience. And once we’re Celestial, life in spirit is very different compared to what it was in the mansion worlds. You are a fully fledged spirit citizen of Nebadon, albeit still a morontial citizen and not a fully full spirit (one which we are once we leave Nebadon stepping out into the Greater Universe), yet still a divine being, a divine soul that is expressing divinely its personality in a divine Celestial heaven and of a divine level of truth.
We can also become Celestial on Earth, and it waits to be seen what such people will be like and how they will conduct their true, pure, Healed and divinely perfect lives and self-expression in amongst those people still of the wrongness and mansion world levels of truth.
- For me it’s actually soul-fusion with our Indwelling Spirit which is the big thing. The Indwelling spirit is divine, a divine part of God’s actual spirit. It comes and resides within our higher mind once our Natural love mind is developed enough to accomodate it - at around six to seven years old.
So we have this divine spirit fragment of God existing within our Natural love personality system, with the potential for us to become at-one with it, to literally fuse with it. So our personality system has to become divine too, which happens as we partake of the Divine Love and ‘divine’ our soul as our Healing progresses. Our divine love soul progressing expressing our progressively becoming divine personality.
So we first need to do our Healing to perfect our Natural love. We could never fuse with our Indwelling Spirit whilst we’re imperfect and in rebellion by default against it. Whilst we’re untrue, we’re rebelling against our own soul - we don’t want to be true; we’re rebelling against all that is divine love and truth, so against Mary M and Jesus, and against our Heavenly Mother and Father - so we don’t want to become divine; and we’re rebelling against our Indwelling Spirit, not seeking fusion with it, so we don’t want to become at-one with God within ourselves through fusion with the divine spirit fragment of God.
Once (or as) we perfect our Natural love, then we can also partake of the Divine Love, which progressively transforms our soul as we evolve through our Healing. And by the time we’re fully Healed, and have also received enough Divine Love to qualify for complete soul transformation into the divine, then we are ready on the soul level to fuse with our divine Indwelling Spirit residing in our personality.
So the union between God and man happens, as our Indwelling Spirit fuses permanently with our soul, thereby guaranteeing our eternal survival - or Immortality.
Once we have attained soul fusion with our Indwelling Spirit, then that part of God’s spirit that dwells within us, is to remain within us, permanently united to our soul forevermore, this being very important, because God is not going to destroy a part of Her or Himself. We’re effectively part of God’s Soul then, being liked through God’s Spirit, and so it would be like God cutting off one of Their arms, and They aren’t going to do that, so God is not going to cut us off.
Also, the Indwelling spirit comes into us being pre-personality, it isn’t individualised, it doesn’t have a name and number in its own right. It’s not a fully bona fide spirit being, it doesn’t have an existential or evolving soul, and nor does it have a personality expressing that soul. And when it fuses with our soul, then it does, it gains our soul along with our personality and soul name and personality number. And this means that not only is our soul immortal, but also is our personality, for in a way God is now able to express Her and Himself through our soul as our personality. So our personality is also divine, as is our soul, as is our personality expressing our divinity, and so our personality is ALSO guaranteed immortality. The now immortal soul can’t ever stop expressing its personality in Creation because of the union with the Indwelling Spirit. The Indwelling Spirit now demands that it retains you as its personality. So even on a personality level you and God become one. So we are at one with God both on the soul and the soul-personality level. So we’re completely divine, and therefore completely at-one with God in this way, so immortal because the divine shall never cease to be. The divine is existential, there is no ceasing to be as this would denote there being time involved, but there’s no time in the existential. Whereas in Creation, which is experiential, there is always time, a moment of creation, an existence and then an end, which is why it’s mortal.
So our Indwelling spirit guarantees our immortality, yet we need to partake of the Divine Love so as to prepare and enable the potential of our divinely created soul to become realised by becoming at-one with this inner spirit of God. This all happening at the Celestial level of truth.
- So when fusion with our Indwelling Spirit occurs, we are a new being as it were, a morontial soul and so a real spirit in the Universe. We receive our true soulname and personalitynumber, we are registered as being a permanent member of existence.
And for all intents and purposes, this is like we’ve been Born Anew, or Born Again. It’s like in many ways we’re starting out afresh, we’re now perfect, and free to live and grow in truth through our feelings as we uncover the truth of our divine perfection.
Some people believe we are Born Again or Anew with the first drop of Divine Love we receive into our soul, and on a technical level this is so, because our soul now is different to what it was when it was only of Natural love. It has a very small element of divinity within it, and that element can’t cease to be. However the full potential of becoming Born Anew is not realised until we’ve Healed our wrongness, continued to partake of the Divine Love through our Healing thereby transforming our soul into the divine, and fused with our Indwelling Spirit, thereby starting our ‘new life’ at a Celestial level of truth.
- It is said by some people of the ‘Divine Love movement’ that you can’t fully transform your soul and so become completely Born Anew during your earth life. That it is simply too much to do, the process of transformation being too slow as evidenced by many people having been partaking of the Love now for many years, even a greater part of their lives, and they are still a long way from seeing all their sins and errors going. Certain changes have taken place as far as they are concerned, however going by their own lives and the level at which people on earth like themselves have died and begun their new spirit lives - it not being anywhere near the Celestials as one might have thought; together with the fact that James Padgett himself, Dr Samuels and Dr Stone didn’t seem to fully transform their souls and they were working flat out with Jesus and all the Celestials helping them, that it’s too much to expect that you’ll be able to completely transform yourself during your earth life, having to complete in spirit.
However, such people are not doing their true Soul-Healing with the Divine Love. And although no one as yet has completed their Healing and attained a Celestial level of truth, I don’t see any reason for saying it can’t be done. I think it can, and it won’t be long before people start showing it by completing their Healing, their divine transformation, and experiencing a level of fusion with their Indwelling Spirit (I say a ‘level’ as I don’t think they’ll be able to fully experience it as that would require translation of them directly into the first Celestial world without undergoing a normal death. And that is for a far distant fully Healed humanity. However they would certainly experience a strong feeling denoting a level of fusion with their Indwelling Spirit). And so becoming truely immortal on earth - one of the real or true Immortals, and a living example of a ‘whole new type’ of person - a Celestial in flesh.
And this has to happen, because such Immortals are to one day have children who’ll be born completely perfect in their Natural love, and so free to live and grow up and partake of the Divine Love as Jesus and Mary M did (all provided it’s within this, or the more likely, the next Spiritual Age whilst the Divine Love continues to be available), these people being the first to be conceived and so born rebellion-free.
- From what I understand, our soul is divine in that it’s been created by Divine Parents, we being Their divine Children. Which you come to know as a truth within your soul as you partake of Their Divine Love. However, whilst humanity is not divine, and only of Natural love, so the soul is able to manifest its two personalities in life as Natural love, it’s self being of Natural love. Which is why Jesus in the Padgett Messages says our soul is of Natural love and not divine. Because for all intents and purposes, it is Natural love reflecting the level of love and truth that its to express its two personalities into.
However, what happens as humanity heals itself and becomes increasingly divine? And from what I understand, the soul will reflect that increasing divinity in accordance with the prevailing age it is incarnating its two personalities into. So for example. We are in an age of Natural love, so we’re all incarnated into Natural love. And were parents to fully Heal themselves, becoming divine and have children, then still those children’s soul would be of Natural love, although of perfected Natural love because of the parents perfection. And at some point those children would have to partake of the Divine Love, and become divine.
What happens if the Divine Love is withdrawn? Then the souls incarnating would be of Natural love reflecting the levels of truth or untruth of their parents.
And what happens if the Divine Love is available and the age is a divine age, meaning the whole of humanity would have completed its Healing, it would be in the ages of Light and Life, so the soul would incarnate reflecting divine perfection, that being of the levels of its divine parents. It would still have to partake of the Divine Love, thereby increasing its divinity, but as to its Natural love expression, that would all be within or under the umbrella of its divinity like how it is for the Celestial spirits. So it would like the Celestial spirits being able to have children, the children being born straight into their Celestial spheres, however doing so on earth in flesh. Because by then, when that happens for humanity, it means the mansion worlds are no more, and effectively the Celestial spheres are manifest on earth. So people when the die simply fuse with their Indwelling spirit and translate directly into the first Celestial sphere, then move to whatever level of Celestial truth they might have attained on earth.
- Some of this you can read about in The Urantia Book, such as the Indwelling Spirit and translation on advanced worlds of Light and Life, however most of it I’ve either worked out for myself or have been told by spirits. And I’m still growing in my understanding of it, so it is all ‘subject to change’. However this is as I presently understand it. And should more understanding come to light, I will endeavour to add to this post. And if you have any questions about any of it, please ask as it’s always good to go over it as it sheds more light on it all.