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Post by samantha9 on Jul 1, 2016 18:37:03 GMT 10
Yet again, Brilliant writing James. I feel that the Urantia Book is for those that want to follow the Natural Love Path and written by the Highest Spirits in the 6th Sphere Mind Mansions and the Padget Messages written for those wanting to progress on the Divine Love Path of the Soul.
I think the Urantia Book shows us the full extent of the condition of the 6th sphere spirits and how highly developed their intellect is and it gives us an insight into the condition of the spirits who dwell there, very advanced in their minds understanding but also very Finite and when I thought about this and asked God to show me, I saw the most beautiful and incredible place but the spirits there were stuck, and I was shown this in the way of a ceiling and many spirits stuck on it, not being able to go any higher but they were able to move laterally and the 6th sphere has many realms created laterally because they cannot move any higher, although it is very beautiful, it is also very stagnant, a finite place of the Mind and until they decide they want to develop in SOUL condition they cannot move higher and they don't even know they can do this until they have a true desire that their must be more and what I see is Divine Love Spirits coming to them when they express a true desire, a feeling to move higher but then they will have to go back some, because the condition of their soul will determine their true and perfect place to progress from on the Divine Love Path, now Healing through their Feelings. This all shows me how finite the mind is, although beautiful and amazing, there can be so much more for us on earth and in Heaven, we just have to make the choice to want to develop our Soul not our Mind and only then we can touch eternity and become infinite. From what I am feeling, a lot of the Guru's and Spiritual leaders are here, stuck in the 6th sphere thinking they are at one with God, the mind of God, so it will take a lot for them to move out of the Natural Love path because they think they have found God. If they ever do feel a longing to wonder if there is anywhere higher I think they will be shocked as to where they may have to start from when it comes down to progressing through feelings, I feel when they come out of their minds and into their soul they will be surprised at knowing their true soul state when they become realised of their denial and repressed feelings they have bypassed because of the leadership of the Mind and its control to deny and keep the emotions repressed.
I am having a very emotional feeling now that I feel so sad for them and the self deception they are living under in the Mind mansions, their minds are in such an arrogant place of not wanting to here of any other way to progress and this is what is keeping them there and the people such as Bonita in the same place here on earth, the mind will reach a finite place, as finite as a book that believes it can tell us all we need to know and if we believe in God this should tell us that God is infinite so Gods truth cannot be contained in a book such as the Urantia Book or the Bible or the Koran. I can really feel just how infinite the soul is after writing that, I can feel the huge difference of the finite mind and the infinite soul, beautiful.
Healing comes from feeling the feelings in our soul and the Mind is a tool of the soul to help us express the souls feelings and the Brain is a tool for the mind to help us express physically the minds expression of the souls feelings so in short the mind is of the spirit body and the brain is of the physical body and they are both tools for the Souls expression of feeling, they both work for the Soul and were created to do so but we have put the mind on its throne and crowned it and reversing that is a tough one, because the whole planet is living by the Minds control. The true Shift is from Mind to Soul, its a 360 degree turn for the whole planet and will put every one into darkness for a while because it will mean no more lying to themselves, no more New Age denial of the truth and that is what people like Bonita, the Natural love path and the Mind Mansion spirits of the Urantia Book are staying away from, the truth and the hard work that goes with it, a lifetime of back tracking of denied and supressed feelings, a denial of how sick the soul is and its all to hard to clean it all up. When I spoke to that man in Glastonbury he said I was doing my healing all wrong, he said I was punishing myself doing my Healing through my Feelings. I asked him how he deals with his emotions then, he said " Sam, I just let them GO" I replied "WHERE", "Where do they GO" He stumbled and stammered and said they just GO and he didn't think about them again. I told him that they had gone no where because Gods Law of Attraction was showing him every day that they were still within his soul and God was showing him this to be true by the events and people he was attracting, He then tried to hurt me physically by grabbing my hand and squeezing it so tightly that I understood that he was threatening me in a very underhand way. I have had this aggressive behaviour from many in the New Age movement who don't want their boat rocked and from those on the Natural Love Path when I have been asked questions by them. Like the people on the Forums you were talking about James, when questioned about their Healing experiences, I have found when I ask all I get is NOTHING, no experiences, no explanations, so no healing has occurred at the Feeling, Soul level just more deception and denial. A lot of them believe the spiritual practices they are doing are Healing the emotions but they are only working on the Spirit and Physical bodies, not the Soul so no permanent Healing can take place, It is only permanent when done through the Feelings, on the emotional Soul level. Our pain entered us Emotionally as children, so it has to be released Emotionally as Adults through our feelings. They do not want to hear this, there is huge resistance to doing this, so let them carry on burning their pieces of paper to the universe and then wonder why God isn't hearing them when the same problem occurs again, and again, and again, oh but they will still defend that it works.
I will leave it there as I have gone way off track in some places but I loved all you wrote James, so interesting and helpful to me as always.
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Post by James on Jul 1, 2016 21:23:31 GMT 10
Thanks Sam, and WOW again yourself, you’ve certainly got a fantastic grasp of it, to compare what you say with what Bonita says...well no point comparing really is there. The Dark and The Light.
And yes I too wonder, as you know, if TUB has been written as you say by the sixth world mind spirits who could have written it in collaboration with the Caligastias and Daligastias, however I don’t know that such spirits would have access to such higher information - at least the stuff that seems to me to be right; for example, being so confined to the sixth mansion world how can they write about the Celestials and beyond and all what the angels do and their different types when they have nothing directly to do with angels being quarantined and shut off to them? But C and D would know about it all, so why not, they might have written the whole book themselves without the sixth world spirits involved; or perhaps the sixth world spirits know about other stuff but don’t care about it believing like Bonita that it’s only a matter of time before they are living it all anyway.... I don’t know. And if the sixth world spirits had such info, such as about the adjuster, why haven’t they passed any of that down to people on Earth; but then again, why do they need to, perhaps they don’t care about trying to control us on Earth as much as I think, being more content do sit up there on their fantasy-clouds being the Great Ones. Maybe they leave all the controlling of humanity to the lower mind spirits, knowing that only very few - the Select Few - would ever be able to rise to their lofty heights. I don’t know, it’s still an anomaly for me, but I’m losing interest in it. Possibly I’m complicating things too much and it is more straight forward, and it is all their work. And then I think: with it available on Earth, I wonder what they made of it, surely they can read it, have read it, so I wonder how they integrate it all into their way of life and beliefs. Maybe they think it’s all fantasy having nothing to do with them, or they just take bits and pieces from it like Bonita does. Or that it’s only a minority of sixth world spirits that would take an interest in it anyway, the others all being confined to their ways of seeing things, so the gurus being in their sectors dealing with those spirits wanting to be like them and adhering to their beliefs, and they don’t bother with the likes of TUB. There is nothing to say all the sixth world spirits get around the same table having a powwow discussing all their beliefs and so on. As I understand it they are actually more isolated and secular shut off from each other because it’s the most anti love and anti true relationship you can be. But I guess they can still have false relationships like the gurus on Earth have done. And possibly if they have made it all up, all about the Eternal Son and Infinite Spirit, the Supreme Being, Divine Minister, the Creator Son and Avonals, Paradise... core, if they have made it up and none of that exists I’ll certainly have to give them more credit for having such incredible imaginations. But anyway, it doesn’t matter because I feel like I’m finally ‘putting TUB to bed’. I’ve got more to post but that I think will be the last of it.
And I love what you say about the finite place of the Mind and the infinite and eternity of the Soul. It is one or the other, that’s what we’re all wrestling with. “huge difference of the finite mind and the infinite soul, beautiful.” Yes, it is beautiful - Truth, Beauty and Goodness, such lovely words.
Yes, and what you say here makes perfect sense: “mind is of the spirit body and the brain is of the physical body and they are both tools for the Souls expression of feeling”.
And I love this: “Our pain entered us Emotionally as children, so it has to be released Emotionally as Adults through our feelings.” I’m going to put that quote on the forum because it’s so true. So much emotion for us to release and express and uncover the feelings of. I’m so angry today, following on from yesterday - and angry about everything, myself being so fucked, all that was done to fuck me up, my shit-boring life in which hardly anything happens, and has hardly happened. All the chocolate I ate I think did something to my stomach as I’ve developed over the last couple of weeks pains in it with a lot of reflux at night - an acid stomach, which has stopped me sleeping and brought up lots of bad feelings about eating and food. I have always loved most foods, can’t eat enough of them, and yet, would you believe, I uncovered the truth that I am actually scared of foods and eating... “Don’t eat that or you’ll get sick; if you don’t eat your vegetables I’ll get your father to smack you; that food can kill you; EAT IT!” All bloody mum scaring the shit out me as usual, all of which I’d buried. So I don’t want to eat, and I’m scared the different foods will hurt me, which they’ve been doing by not agreeing with me. So foods I’ve always loved suddenly I’ve felt scared of them, and fuck that, that has really pissed me off, and up has come the anger, and low and behold, away went my acid stomach, it seems to have returned to normal, and every time it gives a little wobbly, I’m onto it expressing more of my anger. And can you believe it, in in these healing years it’s the first instant correlation I’ve felt with my expressing my emotions and feelings and the pain and upset and uneasiness going. You Sam have written about many of your incredible healing experiences, but this one is really so simple and straight forward and amazing for me, I feel like a little boy who has an upset tummy and I’m told to express all the bad nasty angry feelings and instantly my bad tummy pains go away. And along with this comes the truth of why I had them in the first place - being fed all the poisonous food that came in the form of mum and dads bad emotions and feelings.
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Post by James on Jul 1, 2016 21:32:29 GMT 10
Other aspects of TUB that I don’t feel right about - more thoughts coming from my brief involvement with the TUB forum. (And I didn’t post of any of this on the TUB forum.)
One of the things I like the most about TUB is its focus on personalities, helping us understand how special and wonderful and extraordinary they are. And that all our experience comes from personality interaction, and that we need it, and the more of it the better, to bring out the truth contained within our soul. And the greatest amount of personal experience one can have IS with their soulmate. So if there are no soulmates like TUB says, then we are denied that vast amount of loving highly personal experience. It is with ‘your person’ that ideally you should express every aspect of yourself. Marion is always going on about how important it is for us to express every thought and feeling to each other. And even if we aren’t soulmates, the fact that we have chosen to have an intimate relationship together means we should both strive to get as much out of being together as possible, which can only be done by continually expressing all we feel to each other, understanding that slowly we’re rectifying all those parts within us that are preventing us from properly connecting. So to not hold anything back, to try and push beyond the barriers that have been put in place through our early development which limit our self-expression and so experience of life and truth that comes from it. That with other people we can only have at best a very limited relationship because we’re not so intimately involved with them, but with our chosen partner we can ‘let it all hang out’ so to speak. So we’re not meant to be alone in any sense of the word. And that includes being isolated from the mansion worlds, we’re meant to be easily able to relate to spirits - our dearly beloved departed spouse, relatives, children, brothers, sisters, parents, friends and pets, all so as to keep the continuity of our relationships going with them should we want to. Death is not meant to be the end, and then nothing more. It’s only a transitional experience to another level of reality, yet there is nothing to say we can’t keep the lines of communication open, unless we believe in what TUB says. And if we lived on a non-rebellious world our growth on Earth would be completely in step with that in the mansion worlds because of the ever growing and evolving natural two-way communication between the two realities. And we certainly wouldn’t have the fear of death that we all do. Mostly we don’t freely communicate with people on the ‘other side’ because the Rebellion and Default severed most of this ongoing contact, separating us all by confining us to our current world. And it was in the interests of the Evil Spirits who brought about the Rebellion to make people on Earth be scared of spirits and communicating with them, so as to maintain control over them. By telling people on Earth that all spirit communication is the work of the Devil, or demons will possess you, scaring people off from trying because they might be taken over by some malevolent dark spirit, and introducing all manner of superstitions, is all to keep the mind control strong and in place. Should we reach out to spirits in the mansion worlds, and in particular the higher Healed Celestial spirits, we might discover that we are being mind controlled and then want to do something about that. So keep everyone in the dark and scare people away by making ghosts be spooky things, when such spirits most of the time are nothing more than harmless recently departed loved ones wanting to keep the contact going with their people on Earth. So unfortunately many people sense their dead partner or relative or child with them, but are too scared or ignorant to understand that it’s very easy to speak with them using their mind, and that they can keep having a good relationship with them. You can find out that they are still alive, that they are feeling so much better in their new spirit life, what life after death is all about, it all being so reassuring, loving and comforting, rather than being scared to death because you think a ghost appeared in your bedroom that looked so much like aunty Doris, when IT WAS AUNTY DORIS WANTING TO SPEAK WITH YOU!
It seems to me Bonita and the other TUB people fail to appreciate the severity of the Rebellion and Default. They don’t really understand what TUB is telling us about the terrible condition we are in. As the book says, the whole of humanity was forced into Rebellion and then Default, and that has screwed us up no end. Then on top of that, and just to confuse us even more, Jesus comes to terminate the Rebellion in spirt. And then we’ve gone on believing, because Jesus ended it in spirit, that we don’t have anything further to worry about, and it’s only a matter of choice: you choose (using your mind) to live God’s will and to be like Him, and you’re on your way - Oh if only it were so easy! But this is exactly what I’m talking about, it’s all using your mind to drive our ascension, when in fact growing in truth doesn’t work that way, it works through our feelings. And the TUB people have to keep relentlessly applying their mind, nothing can or must stop their strictness of mind from maintaining its control over their true feelings. Bonita herself said she had packed away all her bad feelings from her early childhood, she’d moved on, she doesn’t allow them to get to her, she no longer even feels she has them, they’ve been ‘dealt with’, but that’s all using her mind to do a right job on herself, all of which TUB will help you do if that’s the way you choose to use the book.
The Urantia Book has been given to us in compliance with the Rebellion and Default. It, like how I said about Jesus, doesn’t interfere with it, as it’s not its place to do so. It would not be right for these higher spirit authors to come and interfere with us, that would be rebellion on their part. They, as they say in the papers, understand the rebellion and default has to work its way through, and the only real way it will on end on Earth is through an Avonal bestowal - so I think. And in compliance with the Rebellion and Default they can’t reveal the truth about a forthcoming Avonal bestowal, that would also be breaking the rules, so they have to say there isn’t one, there can’t be because of Jesus’ bestowal, even though in other parts of the book they say because Earth is ‘Jesus’ world’, anything can happen should he (and Mary M) want it to. So ten Avonal bestowals could come if so required, however I think only one will be necessary. If our world was true and perfect, then yes, as TUB says, had Jesus (and Mary) come to our world, then it, the world the Creator Son (Pair) bestowed themselves on, would not subsequently require an Avonal bestowal at a later date because it would be a waste of time, the Avonal pair not being able to do anything more than the Creator Pair. But that is on a normal world, and I think TUB often speaks a lot about normal conditions on normal worlds and in normal mansion worlds, without specifically qualifying abnormal conditions such as those applying to us. So it’s easy to confuse the two, to think things TUB says applies to us, when in fact it only applies to normal non-rebellious worlds. And I think Bonita and those people on the TUB forum often make this mistake and don’t see the subtle differences because the book doesn’t make them clear - which I also think is all part of it having to comply with the Rebellion. It’s as if it has within its mandate that the the authors can reveal a percentage of truth, a percentage of mixed up not very clear half-truth, and a percentage of untruth - which is in keeping with how we are. We can see that in every spiritual and religious system, and it’s how most of us are in our lives, there is a smattering of truth, a lot of confusion and half-truths, and a lot of untruth. So TUB and the PM adhere to this. And remembering that the Rebellion is completely untrue, but not so the Default - it was a default by Eve and Adam, they didn’t fully rebel, so there was great confusion suffered by them, they didn’t know what to think or what to do. And by being swamped by too many bad and overwhelming feelings they were not used to dealing with, there were truths and half-truths and untruth all mixed up, and we continue to live in their mess. So everything within that mess, all the existing religious and spiritual systems, all that’s in the mind mansion worlds and comes through to Earth, and even including the PM and TUB, reflect this. (And even my writings in DLS will contain elements of this because they have come about through my Healing. But still I hope they contains enough of the truth for the sincere truth-seeker to Heal their rebellion and default. I hope to go back over all my writings before I die, but it’s a daunting and mammoth task, and possibly I won’t get around to it. So my work will stand with all its errors, particularly my earlier work, reflecting my confusion and state of untruth.)
It took me a long time to figure out that TUB is in fact in keeping within the rebellious mind, and it has been with Bonita’s indirect help that I’ve been able to fully grasp this. And it’s the same with the PM, they too are in keeping with the rebellious mind even with the revelation about our specific need to long directly to our Father for His Divine Love. And why they are is that Caligastia and Daligastia (and their partners, not disclosed by TUB) were still active, albeit to a lesser degree as TUB informs us, when these two works were ‘earthed’. However nonetheless, Jesus and the Celestial spirits in the PM and the higher spirits authoring the TUB papers had to comply with them, and so not rock the boat. And I know it might be hard to stomach, and even understand on the mental level, but if one persists in adhering to these sources, just like going along with all the current religions and spiritual systems on Earth, then one is still going to be advancing ones wrongness even if one does grow a little in truth. And that until one decides to do their Healing by looking to their feelings for their truth, then nothing will really change for the person or for humanity as a whole, just as it hasn’t over all these years, and even now still doesn’t change with so many people following TUB and the PM.
TUB (and the PM to a degree) is a one way street leading you ultimately to a dead end (the sixth mansion world), there is only so far you can go using your mind. The only saving grace being, as the PM reveal, if you’ve received some Divine Love in your soul, and if TUB has helped you do that, you will be given the opportunity to move into the Divine Love feeling/healing mansion worlds; but if you don’t want to do that, then there are the mind worlds awaiting you, in which, from all accounts of the spirits, you can be very happy, just as Bonita and her mind-friends say they are happy. It is something we are to see about our minds control over our soul, will and feelings: that we can feel very happy, even ecstatically happy and loving, in our wrongness, all because we’re happy being the controller. Your parents were no doubt the most happy with you when you were doing what they wanted - I bet they weren’t too happy when you weren’t. And so when our mind is ‘parenting’ us, we can be very happy going along with it in control, with our mind controlling our feelings to the extent of us feeling loving and happy - yet is this real and true happiness and love? Is this the same love, or level of love and happiness, the Celestial spirits feel who have relinquished that mind control by doing their Healing? So which love and happiness do you want: a very limited so-called love and happiness all brought about by your mind, its expression limited to the sixth mansion world; or, an unlimited deeper and greater love and happiness brought about through your feelings that is Celestial and ever growing and evolving all the way to Paradise?
No one from the TUB forum or PM forums that I’ve read have continuously been posting posts along the lines of: Oh amazing, today I saw this about myself, my anger as I expressed it led me to see the truth of why I am unloving in this part of myself. I yelled at the dog and felt very bad about doing it - why did I do it? I wanted to know. So I went with my anger that made me yell at it, and as I expressed it I longed for and really wanted to see the deeper truth in me as to why I was angry, for the dog didn’t really do anything that bad. And once I’d ranted and raved, suddenly the truth came to me and I knew: I was treating it unlovingly as mum unlovingly treated me when she was mad at me, as if I was nothing more than a dog. And god she made me feel bad, so unloved, and I hated her for that, I really hated her, I can feel it now how I felt back then. And then I realised I was projecting my hatred of her onto the poor dog, and oh god I felt so bad, so guilty for being so mean and unloving to it, for being to it just how my mother was to me. Or: The insights and understanding I got today from expressing my misery helped me to understand how when mum did this and dad said that to me, I felt so crushed and rejected and unloved by them, and I also saw how because I am so desperately wanting their love, I did this and that going against myself being untrue to myself, all of which is new for me to see, it all coming to light as I went with these bad feelings. You might get some of this with a therapist, which is good, but so far I’m yet to see anyone on these forums talking about such personal insights into their wrongness coming in conjunction with their daily spiritual growth - it BEING their spiritual growth, saying they have many of these personal insights and revelations and understandings about themselves, their relationships with their early life, with nature, with Mary Magdalene (Jesus’ soulmate) and Jesus, with their Heavenly Fahter and Mother (I’ve included the feminine parts TUB had to deny), coming to them each day, all showing them the truth of who they are. These are the sorts of spiritual healing experiences of truth one has when one is striving to live true by looking to ones feelings for their truth. I’ve had them everyday now for the past twenty years, and it’s because of them I’m able to write about all of this. And it’s not just me, there are a couple of other people I know about who are also living true to their feelings whilst longing for their truth, they wanting to with all their heart to heal their wrongness and understand why God gave them the life they’ve had. So where are these Healing experiences on these other supposedly spiritual forums - isn’t this surely what it’s all about?
TUB is information, it’s not ‘The Way’. It doesn’t contain the way within it, despite the Midwayers saying they’ve provided all we need. So looking only to it will only help you on your way in your minds control over your soul and feelings. I read Bonita’s posts about the soul, and from what is said about the soul in TUB she did a fantastic job, no one is going to dispute her stella understanding of it. And it’s obvious she worked incredibly hard to understand it all - with her mind. And it’s a pity, as it’s all mostly wrong. Bonita says, TUB says, our soul evolves experientially and that our soulmate is our indwelling spirit. The PM says our soul governs our whole existence, is basically existential, as I wrote about, and is ‘evolving’ but through our feelings and not by using only our mind; and that we have a soulmate with whom we are to enjoy every moment of our eternal existence in Creation with. And when I think of myself before my adjuster arrived, I can perceive my soul at work expressing itself into Creation as my personality is developing, just as I can still perceive it doing so now. And I don’t understand why she discounts the existential soul idea when TUB itself says our Heavenly Father is Soul. Why this discrepancy in TUB? He is Soul first and foremost, and He created our soul, WHICH IS WHY HE IS OUR FATHER. And like a father does (sticking only to the masculine like TUB does as it can’t bring in the feminine because that is going against the parameters of the Rebellion which as I said it won’t interfere with) he names his child, just as our Father bestowed personality - on our soul, the soul He created. We had personality, didn’t we?, before our adjuster arrived. So if we didn’t have a soul until our adjuster arrived, what was our loving Father bestowing personality on? Bonita might possibly say personality and soul are not linked, that personality is superior and separate to soul, but is it, is personality stand alone and unconnected with the soul? So would she say the Father is Personality first, then comes His Soul? And if so, who bestowed or gave Him Personality... or does the Personality somehow give rise to Soul? And is that what Jesus taught? It’s not what Jesus teachers in the PM. So what’s going on, why all the confusion in TUB. Why present the personality as being the most important part and the soul a minor second? Unless that too is all part of the Rebellion and Default they are adhering to?
These are more replies to specific bits from other comments that I’ve not already addressed. (And I didn’t post of any of these replies on the TUB forum.)
Bonita: “The United Midwayers of Urantia supplied all the missing information in TUB.” Me: They have all in keeping with the ‘tenets’ of the Rebellion and Default. They have not overstepped the mark because they are not allowed to. It’s not for the Midwayers, angels, nature spirits or any other spirit other than a bestowal Avonal pair to tell us how we can Heal ourselves of our evilness. And the Avonals can ONLY do it because they are to release their Spirits of Truth that contain the truth of our Healing based on their own Healing experiences. And their Spirits of Truth containing the truths of our Healing are needed to help everyone who wants to heal themselves, particularly when such people can’t be with the Avonals face to face getting the Healing help they might require. So as I said, effectively the Midwayers have pooled together all that’s relevant to people if they want to continue living rebelliously. They have not provided the way out of our rebellion and default as it’s not their place to, that’s ONLY for a bestowal Avonal pair to do.
Bonita: “That would suggest a belief in original sin and atonement, which is a myth.” Me: We have been born into the Rebellion and Default, conceived into it, lived and breathed it, been fed it through our parents rebellion and default - how can you think otherwise? Surely that is the whole crux of our problem that TUB is telling us. We are all completely OF IT. If you rape and pillage you are evil; if you are kind, caring and loving - you are STILL of it, still evil, just expressing it from different ends of the same stick. I know this might be hard to accept, but no matter how many ‘good works’ you might do, are still of the Rebellion and Default. And if you’re a parent, irrespective of what you believe, irrespective of what religion or spiritual system you believe in, or none at all, you are still fully entrenched in the Rebellion and Default and have passed all that wrongness you are onto your children. And there is NO WAY out of it; as I said, that truth to Heal ourselves is as yet not officially revealed, it’s for the New Spiritual Age that has not yet begun; however the precursor and truth to that age is now available through DLS, if you care to live it and do your Healing. And so because we’re all of it, so we all have to Heal it, and if we don’t manage to do that when on Earth, we can do it in spirit. BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE, and done with and through your feelings and not just with our mind, because you can’t do it that way, even though TUB and even the PM suggest you can.
Bonita: “James Padgett was a self-deceived channeler. He once channeled John the Baptist who supposedly told Padgett: . . . you will be a most powerful and successful advocate of the Master and a true portrayer of the divine plans of the Father. But that never happened. Padgett never became powerful or successful. I’ve read all the messages and found nothing worthwhile for me there. The reason they’re not mentioned in TUB is because they are fake, the by-product of mental mischief. TUB only includes what’s real. TUB also states that it is not possible to communicate with the dead, which is what Padgett did.” Me: James Padgett was an excellent medium, and the only person on the planet at that time who was capable of receiving the higher truths from Jesus and the Celestial spirits. And it’s true James Padgett did become a most powerful and successful advocate of the Master, he only becoming that more in spirit and now having Healed himself and being a Celestial spirit. Jesus said such words of encouragement to James as he needed to keep him feeling good about himself and the remarkable work he was doing, as it was very hard and confronting to have all his Christian beliefs pulled apart, all so he’d remain in the condition of mind needed to receive the ‘messages’. The reason the PM are not mentioned in TUB is because they don’t comply with the restrictions imposed on TUB’s authors because of having to adhere to the limitations of the Rebellion and Default. It says something about the limitation of TUB, that what Jesus specifically says about the Divine Love and how it and only it actually transforms our soul from that of mortal Natural love into the immortality of Divine Love, is not directly contained within it. It all being part of the puzzle, as none of these sources can just come fully out with it, not until the bestowal Avonal. And one must ask: If it is Jesus’ Second Coming of truth as he said in the PM, then why are the PM not contained within the TUB? Why not include them as part of the last section of TUB about the Life and Teachings of Jesus, tying the contemporary messages in with what Jesus said when on Earth? And once again is it that it’s not the TUB authors place to do such a thing, that perhaps that’s for a mortal to do, which is what Jesus and Mary have told me, that they at some point will go over their lives and the Bible and all they said in the PM and presumably also all they’ve told me, with someone on Earth during the next age, so as to once and for all, set the record straight.
These are my ongoing responses to Bonita’s long response. I didn’t post any of this on the TUB forum, and since I initially wrote the responses and having decided to just post them on the DLS forum, I’ve somewhat embellished them as I’ve reread them. Some of the things I wouldn’t say on the TUB forum or to Bonita herself - and why wouldn’t I? More to work to do on myself...
Me: I’m not channeling, and I don’t see why channeling can’t be discussed if it’s relevant to ones understanding of TUB or anything else, if one is sincerely seeking truth.
Me: And if you don’t think it’s right I come here telling you about things other than TUB, then tell me to go, I’m not going to stay if you don’t want to keep discussing these things, even if we agree to never agree. There are things happening behind the scenes that I’m vaguely aware of, they are paralleling what’s happening in the world. My coming to the forum now is linked with these events as are your responses to me. The darkness needs to be confronted on the human level as it’s very disguised and hidden in broad daylight. And here is the darkness disguised as light on this TUB forum, not that any members would want to acknowledge that. And I want to confront this darkness, at least enough to convince myself that it is there and is being maintained staunchly by women, as well as men. And it’s interesting that a woman is leading the way on this forum, she being the mark others believe they should aspire to, and a woman who is so engrossed in herself, in her own self-importance, that she fails to see how much control her mind has over her feelings. The outward darkness of her mind being in control over the suppressed light of her feelings. There is a lot more we are still to understand about the Rebellion and Default, and it’s eventual defeat, all of which will only come to light as people heal themselves of it.
Me: The Spirit of Truth is not a living person, it is a spirit that is an expression of the living person that gave rise to it. The Spirit of Truth doesn’t not have a personality of its own - you know that Bonita, so it is and ‘it’. It is, if anything, part of Jesus’ soul, part of his souls personality expression, it is an attribute if you like. It is a circuit that we can engage if we want to follow Jesus and be as he is. And it is designed to liberate truth within us as we attend to and fully express our feelings whilst wanting to uncover the truth of them. Otherwise it will simply wait for us, in limbo so to speak, whilst we continue denying it and Jesus as we pursue self-serving mind control.
Me: And I am in a yuk state. I didn’t think I was until I started my Healing. And I will keep being in my yuk state until I’ve brought to light the whole truth of it. I tried to contrive being happy because I believed I too was being attended to by Jesus’ Spirit of Truth. I believed I’d found the answer to all my problems in that they’d simply dissolve away like you and Bradly say, and as I was also longing for and feeling the Divine Love come into my soul. But it didn’t work, I couldn’t maintain it, I didn’t get the sort of childhood that enabled me to go too far down the road you are going. The PM say the Divine Love also takes away ones sins and errors, which it does, but only as we do the hard work of Healing ourselves of all those sins and errors by looking for the truth of them through our feelings. Please give me some examples of your spiritual growth - of your sins and errors being taken away, of the Spirit of Truth working with you, of you healing any part of yourself. And if you can’t, then really what are you doing - and are you doing it all just in your mind?
Me: I don’t like the Christian religion anymore than I don’t like all the horrible parts within myself that are untrue. Of course there is some good and smatterings of truth within it, yet not enough that will help you to do your full Healing. And as to whether or not the Christian religion remains, I don’t know, however if it does I think it will be so different from what it is today it will carry a different name. And yes Bonita, the Truth being living will not die, it hasn’t yet even with the onslaught of the Rebellion and Default. I would be interested in seeing a world in which there is a double Rebellion, one in which the Material Pair also willingly rebelled, and see how Truth stands up under that siege.
Me: I don’t understand about the ‘supper part’ other than well of course Jesus is present everywhere all the time in Nebadon through his Spirit of Truth. So we don’t need any such supper or anything to worship him, although I see no harm in people coming together to express their love for Jesus, people who are intent on wanting to live true and Heal themselves of their falseness and fantasy ideas about Jesus.
Me: What I mean by Jesus despised the Jewish religion was he didn’t like the parts that were untrue and against him and the Father. Sure he understood about them and respected them for what they were - their wrongness, but that didn’t mean he agreed with or liked them. Would you, if you were perfect growing up surrounded by such imperfection? The Jews were the most untrue back then, a highly organised way of living the Rebellion and Default. Jesus incarnated into it - the ‘Chosen Ones’ - to maximise his experience growing up in the untruth so he could use it as a sounding board against his own true soul to help bring to light all within him that he was to tell us and the whole of Nebadon. The Jews fail to understand they are the Chosen Race because they were the most wrong, and not because of any divine specialness in the eyes of God because they are the most right. And as I said, being the most wrong, so they were logically chosen for Jesus and Mary Magdalene his soulmate to incarnate into. And it proved right because the Jewish authorities denied both of them in different ways: in keeping Mary submissive and subservient in the woman’s role, and in conspiring to get rid of Jesus because he didn’t fit with their way of seeing things. TUB doesn’t even begin to touch on the feminine side of the Rebellion and Default other than what is talked about to do with Eve. What if all the Evil Ones actually had soulmates; what if Jesus has a soulmate; and where are these hidden and secretive Evil women spirits who were working the Rebellion and Default behind the scenes? It makes far more sense to see that Mrs Caligastia and Mrs Daligastia were working on poor Eve (secret women’s business? (no offence to the Australian Aborigine)), whilst the men spirits were working on Adam. And what if it turns out that the Avonal also has a soulmate, and that in fact both of them are to reveal the truths of our Healing, and that she is even leading him possibly in it - still I don’t know, only speculation. And what if your beloved UB is only at best a minor revelation with a huge other part still to come, for you yourself Bonita said truth is always evolving, and we’re behind the eight ball to start with.
Me: And what if TUB was a masterful creation of Caligastia and Daligastia, shedding light on certain things we can relate to yet all deceptively seducing the mind away from the soul and ones true feelings, leading one off deeper into ones wrongness? Surely that has to be addressed and looked into as a possibility seeing as though C and D were still at large and will be so until the Avonal bestowal. However I don’t think it is this way, I think they’ve only sanctioned the book, not actually wholly crafted it (although I’m still open to the idea), as it has in many ways abided by the limitations of the Rebellion and Default and it doesn’t rock the boat too much, allowing those people who only want to follow it to further their wrongness should they want to use it for that purpose.
Me: We’ve only TUB saying there is one Spirit of Truth, what if there are more? And what if Mary Magdalene liberated her Spirit of Truth to work united with or alongside Jesus’, and that we actually have to connect with both of them, or both aspects of them, so as to fully Heal and integrate and bring to light the relationships of the masculine and feminine within us? What if all the orders of Son and son have in fact soulmate pairs, like the angels who work in pairs? What if even the Father has a soulmate in our Heavenly Mother? What if we can actually long to be as our Heavenly Mother and Father are, and it was our Heavenly Parents that gave rise to us - wouldn’t that make more sense? And in way, if you go down this track, it doesn’t put you off all TUB says, it just makes you see that for whatever reasons TUB has withheld information. And can those reasons possibly be because it is not to interfere with the coming of the bestowal Avonal pair? For that pair is to heal themselves of their wrongness, and so they need to be in all the wrongness, and the wrongness needs to have maximum effect upon them so they have to work their way out of it; and so it wouldn’t be right that either Jesus through the PM or TUB took any of that life experience away from them by revealing the sorts of truths they are to reveal. That just wouldn’t be cricket!
Me: Bonita you say if an Avonal submitted to rebellion he’d be immediately removed by the Michael Son, but why would Jesus do this when it’s the very Avonal that goes to the rebellious worlds bringing them back into line. Your statement shows you don’t even understand what the Avonals are all about. And the Avonals can only do that by bestowing themselves into the wrongness. If only they did as Jesus did and retained their perfection, then their Spirits of Truth wouldn’t contain The Way for people to fully Heal themselves, as I said in my earlier posts. And even supposing the Avonals did rebel or default, would Jesus remove them anymore than he removed the Evil Ones? Perhaps he’d wait to see the outcome of such misadventure with the Avonals themselves - if they could even rebel, which I don’t think is possible - finding their own way back in time. Don’t you understand that that IS the right of the Avonals, that they hold contained within their soul the way to Heal a humanity if it goes wrong? And so what are they going to do, incarnate into a rebellious world maintaining their true and perfect state telling whomever will listen to them what they are doing is wrong, give them a bunch of parables to work on, the leave them saying their Spirit of Truth will help them, whilst knowing it won’t and that the people understood hardly a thing of what they were saying, and that those people will take all that’s been told to them and use it to further their evilness, just as we witness the Christians and anyone else who is using Jesus and what he said to further their own wrongness? And then they have to spend the rest of that humanity’s long suffering rebellion years trying to reach out to them and connect through mediums, trying to achieve that which they couldn’t do in person when in flesh? It doesn’t make any sense, because it’s nonsense. The Avonals have to incarnate fully taking on the evilness, for how else can they Heal it and so pass on the How To Heal to anyone who wants to heal themselves. Jesus, we understand, has in person together with Mary been actively helping people on Earth who are intent in living true to their feelings, but as their age draws to a close so they are no longer actively helping giving over by instead allowing the Celestial spirits from Earth to take their place, for humanity is after all to help itself.
Me: Bonita you say most UB wacko’s are obsessed with the Rebellion - and I say: we all should be obsessed with it. Don’t you understand that God put you in it so you could experience it first hand? He didn’t start you off in it only to make it all disappear once you engaged the Spirit of Truth or invocated the Divine Love. The Father wants us to understand the WHOLE TRUTH OF OUR REBELLIOUSNESS AND THAT OF THE DEFAULT, all first hand and through our everyday experiences, for if we don’t, it would be waste of time and effort - and why subject us to it in the first place if we’re not to uncover the whole truth of it? If you don’t uncover the whole truth of your wrongness then you’re missing the point, and furthermore are still progressing in your wrongness. We are to see the truth of our rebellion, all the little itty bitty nitty gritty horrible parts to it. We’re to work back through it circuit by circuit, right back to our conception. It took your whole childhood to become of it, YOU ARE IT, and so you are, when you want to, to work to understand about yourself being it. And if you applied all the time you spend using your mind to so-call ‘advance your understanding of TUB’ to your Healing, by now you’d be well on your way to becoming a Celestial in flesh, the very thing you wrongly believe you are becoming with the help of TUB. And when you understand, when you are fully Healed, then you will know the truth of what it’s like to feel and live unloved, to feel all those bad feelings and emotions, and to understand the TRUTH OF EVIL AND SIN AND INIQUITY. You can even go so far as to say we have been given a very unique opportunity (as TUB says), we can live and be totally lost to evil, we can do all the things that are possible in our evilness, and we can then work out the difference between them and being true and loving and not evil, as we do our Healing. I can’t believe you can read TUB and decide that people who are obsessed with understanding the Rebellion and Default, which I am so thankful to TUB for in helping me understand how it came about and how it’s caused me to be as I am in my evilness, are wacko. If I was to wonder who might be wacko it would be people who believe they are free of the Rebellion and Default because of reading TUB. If you were free, if you were no longer of the Rebellion and Default, then you’d be fully healed and possibly even fused with your indwelling spirit - has fusion occurred for you Bonita? Has fusion occurred for anyone lately? No, because no one has fully healed themselves!
Me: And I am completely obsessed with my healing, it is all I am living for because I want to end my wrongness. I hate being all messed up, I hate being so unloving, yet I’ve seen - through my Healing - that I am, and all thanks to my early life. It’s been extremely hard to admit it, terribly humiliating having to admit that I’m so wrong, especially when I believed I was so right, and I want out of it. But I don’t want to use my mind to pretend it’s no longer within me, I want to use my feelings to uncover the truth of all my rottenness, and slowly that is what is happening. But I also understand it won’t be for everyone, it’s too hard, and most people if they want to do their Healing will do it in spirit. But still the time is coming so that people on Earth will be able to do it if they want to. And so if anyone is interested in doing their Healing, of course I would like to help them if I can, but I’m not too good at going with my own bad feelings, so I think others who are will be more help than I. And the part about Jesus and the sinners and righteous, for me when Jesus speaks like this I think he’s speaking on two levels to everyone in Nebadon; so all the righteous who are not of rebellion, and then all of us on Earth who are the sinners, and to all the sinners on the other rebellious worlds. And I think TUB doesn’t make it obvious at times whether it is actually specifically referring directly to us in our error, or is speaking generally to perfected and normal evolving Nebadon, adding to the difficulties of trying to put some of what is said into a context we can relate to.
Me: James Padgett is not the Second Coming, he was just a man who discovered he was able to receive the messages from Jesus and the higher Celestial spirits. Jesus says in the PM they are his second coming and is enough for us to go on with, it so far as he’s concerned, completes the requirements of his age, which is why I think we’re nearing the end of his age; but as I said, I think his full Second Coming in person will be later on through the Morontia Temple. So what you said Bonita: “Maybe you didn’t read this quote, or perhaps forgot it, or misunderstood it? When Jesus comes again, he cannot be denied. He is the Sovereign. He will be recognized by everyone, which is why it will take a very long time to occur.”, fits in with his coming through the Morontia Temple. And this quote about only spiritual eyes being able to discern him means the Christians are going to be severely disappointed when the End Times complete Jesus’ age and still he hasn’t shown up; or if he has, they won’t have the spirit sight to see him, so missing out one way or another, as he won’t be materialising into flesh as they hope. And even if he did, and it would be the same for you, you’d not recognise him or be able to behold his full spirit light, the Light of his Truth, because like the Christian’s you are denying that very truth deluding yourselves by looking to a fantasy Jesus. If you can’t accept and see the Truth in the PM, then you’re way off track and wouldn’t accept or know it was Jesus even if he were standing right in front of you telling you about the Divine Love. You, and your TUB adherents are anti The Truth, anti-Jesus and even anti the Father, something that will come a huge shock to you when you understand.
Me: Bonita, I didn’t say Jesus’ Spirit of Truth was “a useless, incompetent, ineffective, impotent Spirit of Truth.” All I said was it wasn’t able to help us with our Healing as fully as we need such help, and that we need another Spirit of Truth to engage us on that level. And that if it was able to help us fully with our Healing, don’t you think that by now, over all these years working with it, surely somewhere along the way someone would have completed their healing and fused with their indwelling spirit and possibly have had something to say about such an incredible experience? Do you know of anyone who has, through this age of Jesus’, and if not, why not, if his Spirit of Truth is there and all we need? Are people on Earth to keep on slogging away doing the best they can with his Spirit of Truth yet still not fully healing themselves, having to wait until they get to spirit? Do you believe you’re fully healed? And you out of anyone so far as I can see is so determined to use Jesus’ Spirit of Truth and have been at it for years now, so what about your adjuster fusion, do you feel it must surely be just around the corner? If you can’t attain it with your superior mind and understanding and all the supreme effort you’re putting in, who can, that’s what I’d like to know.
Me: Mara, yes, I’ve read the quotes time and time again, and yet it also says that anything can happen on our world if Jesus deems it so, so what is right? And we all know this world is wonky, so are there yet more surprises in store for us? And what would you do if suddenly some bloke stands up and announces to the world that he is a bestowal Avonal Son and then sets about healing the sick and feeding the starving through the help of all his attending legions of angels, miracles all over the place - what would you then do with your beloved UB? And what if he does finish his Healing yet only needs to reveal such truths to those who want to know, and then dies without leaving hardly a trace, knowing that all that is needed for future humanity to fully Heal itself of it’s rebellion and default is contained within his Spirit of Truth which is to augment Jesus’ Spirit of Truth. And if I am wrong, then Bonita will have successfully fended off yet another maddie, however if I’m right...
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