The Avonal Pair

I would say i feel very impatient but lately I'm more patient because of soul healing. Now if I was still praying for the Love only then I would be very impatient. But we need to take your work that you have done and give the world the Truth. I know there are divine love followers who are hurting and need your writings but what is stopping them I don't know.

As for now I really saw how the divine love forums were on fire years ago but to me it seems that it died a little from the 2012 predictions. And to me stands as just another group of people now just praying and waiting. I understand that only a few will follow the Truth because the mass seems to move where ever the wind blows. And I can very much live with that which really takes away my impatience. I really don't have any feelings for the followers as I am still feeling all the crap of being raise unloved. I myself would leave people to their devices unless they ask me. So as for the majority and their earthly beliefs being what you said will not want to hear the Truth. And as I see to often people still so involved with the hustle and bustle of this life. I wondered how do they hide all those bad feelings and how I did it also. I can't imagine being in that state anymore. Waiting for everyone to be happy. No need for that now because the more I feel My bad feelings the more I'm being stir up inside. Expressing it and longing for the Truth. And even partaking in a Forum for the first time and saying what I have to say as the words come. It just makes it all clear for me to break these chains of self denial that every moment the feelings come I adress it.

It's been the beginning of an ongoing challenge. New discoveries of meaning of all my life to write and express openly. An answer to the many years of repression. Understanding all this sore and horrible life push upon me letting me know that I myself can play the key role in this. Knowing how hard it's going to be but I can long for the Truth of it all. Giving up the old and following the new slowly but surely.

And still having to deal with this every day mortal life and it's problems. What a worldwind!

I feel the ocean of tears inside me but only one drop reaching my eye.

Re: The Urantia Book.

4. God in Religion
(66.5) 5:4.1 The morality of the religions of evolution drives men forward in the God quest by the motive power of fear. The religions of revelation allure men to seek for a God of love because they crave to become like him...

Over the years I’ve been looking for something said in prophecy alluding to the Avonals. But I’ve not found anything. Then it dawned on me that the Avonals are ‘outside’ prophecy, and that all that has been given to mankind, from angelic and other higher spiritual beings, and all from the mind spirits, is all to do with possible future happenings and events within the system of evil that humanity has created for itself. And so there is nothing known as to what the Avonals will do, or that they are even to come to Earth. So no one can know, unless I would imagine, one is doing ones healing and growing in the resulting truth and receives such insight into the Pair.

They are to become of the evilness, as Mary and Jesus have told us, but are to be kept by their parenting in many ways separate from what might constitute ‘normal’ life, because by being ‘abnormal’ they will be able to look into themselves, into their feelings, doing what is not normally done, and uncover the truth of their souls. So their abnormal way of going about things, will be in contradistinction to the normal way of denying bad feelings and limiting ones self revelation of truth.

So those of us setting out to live doing our healing will also be ‘abnormal’, having lived lives that in one way or another have prepared us for such a journey whilst of flesh. And so we are all out on a limb, pioneers of the first degree, and really with no idea as to what to expect or how things will go for us. Which is right, for the more we look to ourselves through our feelings giving up our minds control, so the less we feel we know anything about anything, giving over to our feelings to lead us.

The Avonals will present religion of revelation, in that they will not ‘lead’ by fear. They will understand of course from their own experiences of it that fear is the last thing any of us want any more of, all having been so heavily riddled with it. So the last thing they will want to do is instil more fear. And they will want to provide a way that is alluring for men and women to seek, because it is a real and true way out of ones fear.

We have been wrongly taught that the way to deal with ones fear is to face it, but this is double sided and needs interpreting. For if we face it down as in look to conqueror it, doing so by using our mind by ‘overcoming it’ and seeing there is nothing to be afraid of after all, one is not dealing with the deep early childhood causes of that fear, one is just adding more to ones fear-denial. And so to go the other way, to ‘get to know ones fear’ by allowing oneself to completely feel it, to have a personal relationship with it - with those parts of ourselves we’ve been made to deny and keep hidden; and so, to be it, and to look for the truth of it - the reasons why one feels it in the context of what in ones relationship with ones parents made one so scared, then we can allow ourselves to come to a level of peace about it, understanding that out parents couldn’t actually hurt us - our true self, our soul, and so really we have nothing to fear from them. So coming to this realisation by the truth that naturally comes to light from accepting and expressing and seeking the truth of our fear, and not by simply telling ourselves by using our mind that it was all our parents fault, and we have nothing to fear from them. Because whilst we do fear, so we do fear them, because when we were little, they were very scary.

And so by craving to be like God, we want to be loved and be all-loving. And by being of such love, then we won’t feel bad, never feeling scared, never needing to keep using our mind to keep our false power up so we can keep overcoming the ever-present and threatening bad feelings. We will no longer have any bad feelings within us, so being as God is. And what a dream life will be like then.

And so evolutionary religion as we’ve been forced into it, owing to the negative influences of the Rebellion and Default, means we’ll always be subservient to our fear - which really means, to our parents. And we will always project our parents onto God, so fear God and believe we have to appease Him and be good, follow His laws and obey his commandments, all so He - our parents - won’t punish us. So we fear God who is still only our parents, instead of loving God who is our real Parents, and all because we were conceived into fear and not the true love we needed.

In regards to the rebellion when the first parents were perfect. The nature of the women was headed in the direction to be overpowered by the man's physical nature. And far as what women have to say man would disregard or just push it under the rug. As is happening now. I always wondered how the women became so subjected to the man for so long. Never given them a chance to bring in the feelings of their and man's nature. But I wondered if jesus was on the verge of introducing Mary M. Before his departure from this earth. And what about these other teachers having a female partner equal with them. That is what I've been feeling lately and very sad. A women's voice is delicate enough for the men leaders of this nation to just shove to the side as she is just wasting her breath. Men want to hold on to that brutal power. So in regards to the women christ it brought up to feelings. One is good so we all can heal but also fear of what really is going to happen when she first arrives in mourning. All these centuries man and woman followed self denial and then all will truly be reveal so it is awesome and also brings in horror for this world. This mourning is going be a heavy burden to bare as we know James from doing our healing. So how do you see this world of ours taken to the woman christ coming?

Women disciples of the new Woman Christ.

If one begins by understanding that all how humanity is wrong, so how Jesus gathered about him the men disciples was also and expression of our wrongness. Jesus himself wasn’t wrong, he was just once again showing us how wrong we were.

How wrong is it for just men to be appointed and chosen to be disciples becoming elevated to the grand status of apostles. That is only a further expression of humanity’s imbalance. If there were to be disciples of any sort, which is also wrong as no one should be elevated above another on a ego level alone, those disciples should have been at least equal numbers of men and women. The Urantia Book speaks about their being women disciples, Mary Magdalene being the appointed head of them, however they are so far back in the shadows that they may as well not have existed, with all such glory befalling such blessed men.

And when we understand that women being ‘closer’ to their feelings are the natural spiritual leaders, leading by being true to all they feel, with men being their protecting custodians who follow their lead by being true to their feelings, then we can begin to appreciate just how wrong we’ve got it by always looking to the chosen men in the Bible.

Will the new woman Christ have specific chosen followers; will there be a group of twelve women disciples closely associated with her? I don’t know, but it conjures up a nice picture. And what would such women be like, they all presumably actively doing their healing or having completed it. They would in any case be quite remarkable women, just as will be any woman (and man) who does and completes their healing.

Above I stated it’s wrong to elevate anyone above another, however I want to point out by that I mean in a mind or ego way as opposed to natural soul-light elevation that comes from growing in truth. One who naturally grows in truth through their feelings is ascending in truth to Paradise, and as we’re all on different stages of our truth denial or ascension of truth, so naturally some people and spirits will be more or less advanced than others, so higher or lower. If there are to be such women disciples they will all be naturally elevated in truth, they will be higher than those who are not doing their healing, not growing in truth, those people and spirits still persisting in their truth denial. So such special women will not be as the men disciples of Jesus’ day were, men who were not growing in truth through the doing of their healing, men who were ‘raised up’ by minds of those still actively denying their truth.

However I tend to think things will be different this time around. I don’t see the need for any such disciples - what would they achieve, and besides, mostly I’d imagine they’d still be busy working on their own healing rather than going off in pairs knocking on peoples doors telling them the ‘good news’ that no one wants to hear. And of course things are different now in many ways to how they were in Jesus and Mary’s day, with obviously certain women being ready and well poised to begin their healing, and with others having already begun it in different parts of the world. So I doubt they will be raised up into such positions of worship attaining apostle status, and certainly not by their own doing, with more likely they being just special women, ones who will be special in being able to work on themselves undertaking their own self-healing through their feelings.

Yet I do think such women will be extraordinary women, being able to do extraordinary things - such as healing themselves of their evilness. For what an incredible accomplishment this will be, something not as yet seen on the planet. With countless generations of women and men living untrue to themselves having had no idea that they were. And so for such women to now have such an idea and be prepared to act on that idea setting about the arduous task of uncovering the truth of their childhood repression and smashing through all their inner barriers against such a notion... perhaps such women will be adored and even worshipped for forging the New Way into the light of truth. For uncovering the light of their own souls truth.

Hi Wes, I intend writing more on Monjoronson, but I feel too demented at the moment.  It's a good question.  So in the meantime I think it's just stuff people are making up with no truth to it.  What do you think about him Wes?

And Desire, thank you for 'keeping in touch'.  I hope you and Sarah are not suffering too much.

I wrote this Wes in answer to your question, however as it’s turned out, I’ve gone on a bit summarising (mostly for myself) all I currently think about the Avonals as well as others claiming such things. It might be difficult to understand all I’ve written, and I apologise for that, but currently I don’t feel inclined to try and make any easier to understand. I have covered most of it my conversations with Mary and Jesus.  However, should you want to ask me about any of it, by all means please do.

And by the way, as Marion says, knowing about the Avonal pair does naught for your healing. And I agree. However it’s all part of DLS.

Monjoronson
Personally Wes, I think it’s all nonsense, stuff made up by people who’ve read The Urantia Book and believe they are somehow involved with it. I’ve not yet read anything from anyone speaking about Monjoronson that’s made any sense to me. I’ll give you some examples and how I see things. However that’s not to say how I see things is any better than what these people say.

The UB tell us that Avonal Sons come in three ways: Magisterial visits - regular dispensational adjudications, they being unseen by people, and seen visitations whereby the incarnate by suddenly materialising as an adult; and on a bestowal mission, which is as Jesus and Mary came, incarnating through conception, birth and growing up as a normal person of the world. The book also says as Jesus came on a bestowal, he being the Creator Son and different to an Avonal Son, that there will not be further bestowals required on Earth because of the out pouring of the Spirit of Truth by Jesus. So once that has happened there is no need for it to happen again, so any further changes of the ages will be carried out by Avonals on one of the Magisterial visits such as being speculated by the coming of Monjoronson. All of which sounds very reasonable and logical so far as the UB portrays things. But it’s not what I think is going to happen.

So these people believe they are in contact with the soon to arrive - possibly even has arrived - Avonal on a Magisterial visit to end the current age and begin a new one. And when the time is right, he will magically appear as a full adult man, perfect and not of the evil, and ready to go. And some people came up with the name Mojoronson, supposedly being told it by Mojoronson himself, whom I imagine would be just another mind spirit trying to gain more power for himself, if indeed he is a spirit at all and not their imagination. They might even believe they are him. And I see that more recently, which seems odd to me, some people have changed his name to Serara. Were he to come as himself in his full glory materialising as an adult he’d come using his soul-name, and so there’d be no need for him to change it or to give another name to begin with. So it just sounds to me like they’re making it all up, with possibly some input from mind spirits, however even this I find almost unlikely, because too much of what they say in their communications with Serara or any of the other angels or spirits they say they speak with, including even the Father, is laughable in how so much of it doesn’t even fit with what the UB says when they are trying to base it all on the book.

Benjamin Creme has been doing the rounds for years claiming the World Teacher he calls the Maitreya is supposedly here in spirit awaiting the time when humanity is ready for him to manifest into physical form (he even supposedly materialised for a short time in Africa some years ago - presumably to give his followers a ‘taste’ of things to come?), and for all intents and purposes being as is said Serara is to be. So are they the same person? But all Benjamin has said over the years I find to be just more usual New Age nonsense, like that of the Monjoronson people who just tact a UB slant onto it.

These people think the Avonal will come and will take over the world in some way, sort it out, punish all the bad people, set the scene for Jesus’ return (which might even happen at the same time the Avonal comes), with Jesus coming back to take the planetary throne over from Machiventa Melchizedek who’s been keeping the seat warm for him.

Where I differ is, well yes, that’s all very well and I too went down that track it being the track the UB wants you to go down if you are not sincerely looking for the truth, but when you come to understand that to unearth the truth, means to find it within yourself, and to do that can only be done through your feelings, then if a Maitreya or Avonal Son is going to come, then surely for starters they’ll be coming to help show us the way to uncover the truth through our feelings. These people believe Jesus showed us the way, and yet they haven’t acknowledged the Padgett Messages understanding that the way Jesus showed us was to the Divine Love. So if the next Avonal is to come, surely he will also at least repeat all Jesus said, so begin with the Divine Love, and then move on into how we can heal our evilness filling in the missing part Jesus didn’t tell us in the Padgett Messages or when on Earth.

And so were Monjoronson here in spirit awaiting his earth incarnation, and in touch with groups of people who are going to be his helpers, and people supposedly preparing the way for him, then surely you’d think he’d be teaching them all Jesus has said, all so they can align themselves with Jesus’ Spirit of Truth which is already here. So at the least he’d have to link up with Jesus first, the Avonal being lesser than the Creator Son, and then once that’s done, set about adding his personal revelation, should he have one to make, which I imagine he would, that being concerning how to specifically heal our evilness. So what I look for in reading anything about the New World Teacher is to see if that teacher is teaching all that Jesus has told us in the Padgett Messages about the Divine Love. To at the very least establish that fact, and if not, then it’s only just more mind rubbish, and being put out there by people who are not intent on living true to themselves or truly following Jesus. So for me they are simply following their own agenda, and it’s all only about furthering their negative state and evilness by making up such untruth.

As you know, I also feel very strongly about the feminine side of things missing. And from reading my stuff, and so my insistence on Mary being Jesus’ soulmate. Which means, which is not in the UB, that we shouldn’t just keep all the emphasis on Jesus, the Son, for want about the Creator Daughter - Mary M. So if the Creator Pair is a pair (and a soulpair), as are humanity soulpairs, as in having soulmates, then if the Avonals and Trinity descending orders are to come and help us, then so too surely they’d also come in pairs. So I would be looking for an Avonal pair, not just the Avonal Son. But so far no one includes the Daughter - the Avonal Daughter coming with an Avonal Son. In time some people might include Her, and they might even understand about the Divine Love, so that would make things a little more interesting; but then comes the next and most important part so far as I’m concerned: our healing.

It bugged me for ages about this healing thing, what was it, particularly after I’d been praying for and receiving the Divine Love for a couple of years only feeling worse and worse rather than better and better as is suggested one should feel by the Padgett Messages, the Divine Love supposedly somehow ‘disappearing’ your sins and errors over time, seemingly without one having to do any hard work other than longing for the Love. And as that sure wasn’t happening to me, so what was I doing wrong; and then as I’ve said, Marion came into my life informing me about the need for me to heal my childhood repression because I was living false and untrue, and that until I worked on myself to do that, how could I expect anything else to happen. So here was a woman, and one who’d read the Padgett Messages and was longing for the Divine Love, telling me because of the work she’d done with professional psychologists, that we have to heal our early childhood because of all the damage that was done to us by our parents who stopped us from being freely able to express our true selves, with all the pain and hurt of that unlovingness still repressed within us. And if we don’t deal with all that stuff, it is what makes us get sick. So will longing for the Divine Love take all that pain, hurt and misery away, will it just make me become fully self-loving when all I am doing to myself is self-hurting and unloving? And because the Divine Love hadn’t taken any of my bad feelings away, and even if anything seemed to make me feel worse, sinking me more into them, so I had to conclude that perhaps she had something in what she said, and that we have to do the hard work of healing ourselves with the Divine Love. Hence my setting out to do my healing with her.

Ok, so the Divine Love was good and now the healing, but how did that then fit in with the PM and UB - when clearly there wasn’t anything about the healing as I was coming to understand it through my own experiences with Marion. So why wasn’t the healing talked about in these works? I mean, here we have Jesus’ second coming of truth, and we have the UB saying it’s Earth’s fifth epochal revelation, these are big things, huge things, you can’t get bigger, so why the hell didn’t either of them speak about the healing! What was going one, it didn’t make sense, and it maddened me to think that the truth and information we needed the most, concerning how to heal our evilness, was not included or really even hinted at in the latest two very important revelations to mankind.

So then I started to think, well logically at some point Jesus and Mary’s age is to end, and an Avonal pair will be needed for that, so perhaps it’s for that pair to reveal the truth about the healing, it being the final missing part. So that fitted nicely: we have Jesus coming again telling us about the Divine Love and introducing us to Celestials spirits and the notion of divided mansion worlds - those with Divine Love, and the mind or spirit worlds (as they call them in the PM’s). Then we get around the same time the UB mysteriously being revealed and presented to us, an incredible book that brings together a lot of the important stuff humanity has had revealed to it over time, along with a vast amount of other stuff and cosmology, all to bring humanity spiritually ‘up to date’. So the scene is set for the end of Jesus’ age, and all we then need is the Avonals to come and tell us about Mary, to inform us Mary and Jesus are a soul-couple, and fill us in about the healing. So humanity will then be fully primed spiritually to enter the next spiritual age, with people able to do their healing with the Divine Love and understand about their ascension to Paradise, Indwelling Spirits, the true nature of angels and so on, and how to get themselves out of the misery, pain and suffering their soul is in.

So getting to this point was how I then approached Mary and Jesus wanting to know primarily why there wasn’t any mention in the PM or UB about the healing, to which they told me it wasn’t their place or the UB’s place to reveal it. Ok, but why wasn’t it, and didn’t you Jesus talk about it when you were on Earth, to which I knew the answer, because had he, he’d have talked about in the PM’s as would the UB. So therefore it must be for the Avonal pair to reveal. Ok, so how are they going to do that? Are they going to come on a Magisterial mission, materialising like these people think is happening, and tell us about the healing. That all sounds very nice, but what are they going to tell us - you have to live true to your feelings whilst longing for the truth so you can heal your evilness. All right, that’s sounds reasonable, however that’s only words being spoken by them, so how will that relate to their Spirits of Truth which will be released from their souls at the end of their lives to oversee everyone in future who will want to do their healing. The Spirits of Truth needing to contain and so express the truth of the experiences of those who are revealing it. So here was a major snag, if the Avonals are only here on a Magisterial mission, materialising as an adult, according to the UB, they won’t release their Spirits of Truth, because that only happens to full bestowal Sons and Daughters - when the Creator Pair or Avonal Pair come having being conceived and born into flesh, growing up like everyone else. And not only that, Jesus says he was born perfect, so he didn’t grow up subjected to evil, he remained true and perfect. And it was the same for Mary. So upon liberation of their Spirits of Truth, as they’d not experienced being evil, so hadn’t needed to heal themselves of it, so such healing wouldn’t be contained in their Spirits of Truth as they had no experience of healing themselves of being evil, which is why there is nothing said about the healing. And it’s why no one has picked up on it when longing for Jesus and Mary’s Spirits of Truth - because the information of how and why to do ones healing is simply not contained in their Spirits of Truth, as they never experienced how to heal themselves, which is why they never spoke about the healing. They only being able to speak about the truth from their own experiences. And so that must hold for the Avonals as well, so I couldn’t see a Magisterial pair being able to speak and reveal the truth about something they would not experience, as they too would be materialised perfect like Mary and Jesus, unaffected by the evil. (I couldn’t see them being suddenly materialised as fully evil adults - I don’t think that can happen. For how would they be able to relate their evilness back to their childhood when they’d not had one.) So as I said, also like Mary and Jesus, wouldn’t be allowed to reveal the truth of doing ones healing as they wouldn’t have to heal themselves. And so in that case, all such a Magisterial pair would be able to reveal would be the same as Mary and Jesus revealed, so what would be the point of them coming as Jesus and Mary have already told us about the Divine Love.

So then I was faced with having to think that if the Avonal pair were to come they’d have to surely tell us at some point about the healing, which would mean for them to do that, they’d have to have done it themselves, which would mean they’d have to be conceived into evil (which the UB says can happen to Avonals), and so heal themselves of it, and so teach and reveal the way for people to follow them and do their healing. And that would all be because of their own personal healing experiences, which would then be included in their Spirits of Truth. So people after their death could look to the Avonals Spirits of Truth for help with their healing. And for all of this to happen means the Avonals would have to come on a full incarnational bestowal, so be conceived and born. But that’s not what the UB says can happen. And it means Earth would then see two Descending pair full bestowals, unheard off, so the UB sort of leads us to think, yet the book also puts in an out clause, as it says that because Jesus (and Mary) came to Earth, then really it’s their world, and as they are the Creator Pair, the highest pair of spirits in Nebadon - Nebadon being their universe, then anything goes that they wish.

All right, so then because Urantia is such a wacky planet owing to the Rebellion and Default and Jesus and Mary coming in the mists of it, and it being according to the UB an experimental world, then I guess why not have another full bestowal. If Jesus and Mary want it, and presumably they want it because it’s what the Mother and Father want, then why not. In theory, why not have many bestowals, it’s all up to them and what they feel they want to happen - what they feel needs to happen. And as it can’t be Jesus and Mary coming again as being conceived and born, as they’d have still to remain perfect and true and so still wouldn’t need to do their healing, so it has to be an Avonal bestowal, unless there is some other order of Descending Daughter and Son the UB hasn’t told us about; and of course, unless it’s all bullshit anyway, all this about higher sons and daughters and Spirits of Truth, Divine Love and doing ones healing.

So for me personally, it’s a very attractive picture I choose to believe, and one possibly I’ve made up for myself, and with Mary and Jesus’ help, if indeed they are whom I believe they are, helping me work it all out. And as they’ve said the UB and PM had to comply with the tenets of the Rebellion and Default, not able to step outside them, that all nicely sums it up as to why they didn’t allude to anything about the forthcoming Avonal bestowal because they had to keep respectfully denying the truth - the truth the Avonals would reveal, the truth about the need to do our healing and how to do it. So nothing has been said about it, because the last thing the Rebellion wants is an Avonal bestowal as that is its death nell, it then giving people the power - the truth, to take matters into their own hands and decide finally for themselves as to whether or not they want to continue being part of the Rebellion and Default, or get themselves out of it by healing their evilness. So the ‘best hidden secret’ so far as I’m concerned, is that of the some-day arrival of an Avonal pair, which will be the beginning of the end of humanity being evil.

And as Mary and Jesus insist their age is drawing to a close, that means the Avonal pair must either be already here, having been conceived and born into evil, lived evilly to experience what that feels like, and do their healing; or, they are soon to be conceived. And then if I am right, where do I fit in having written all about it, and with Marion and I doing our healing: are we part of preparing the way, being something of a bridge between Jesus and Mary and the Avonal pair? And with other people who choose to do their healing also being part of that bridge?

And so far all Mary and Jesus have said publicly about the Avonal pair is they are here, and things are being prepared for their arrival, not unlike what is being said by those people believing the Maitreya and Monjoronson are here. But unlike them, it will be an Avonal pair on full bestow who we await, and not a pair on a Magisterial visit. And so we are waiting for them to reveal themselves, along with their truth; so for them to step out into the public declaring they are offering us the way for us to heal ourselves of our evilness, with or without the inclusion of the Divine Love, themselves having healed their evilness. So until they succeed in fully healing themselves, then I doubt we’ll hear from them.

So thank you for asking that question Wes, as it’s helped me to summarise something that if it turns out to be true, will be perhaps in some ways for humanity be even more significant than Jesus and Mary coming to Earth. For what could be bigger than the long awaited way to be revealed as to how people can heal themselves of their evilness. So we are certainly pioneers in that light. And this is why the forum is so helpful, so we can share our healing experiences and the truth we uncover from our feelings, all so we can see what this so-called healing is all about. And most importantly - to see if it works, if indeed it is the way for us to heal ourselves of our evilness.



I was also reading more about the Australian pair who claim to be Jesus and Mary Magdalene reincarnated, with a few new thoughts coming to me about their claims.

AJ and Mary Luck
If Jesus and Mary were to incarnate again, as I’ve already said, they’d be perfect, and so wouldn’t need to do their ‘emotional healing’ as AJ and Mary are - they wouldn’t have anything wrong with them. They can’t be imperfect as they are ‘too’ perfect. Mary and Jesus are the Creator pair and would not be allowed to take on a negative rebellious state as their universe would then automatically follow them into rebellion. (I’d not seen that as completely before. I’ll have to check it with them, but I feel it’s correct.) So if they incarnated as we all have, incarnating into evil taking on a negative mind and will state, the whole of Nebadon would go into Rebellion, which would be highly unfair subjecting all who are true and perfect suddenly to such imperfection, forcing them to follow their beloved Creator Pair into the darkness, or make them reject Mary and Jesus and not rebel.

AJ and Mary claim that in their earlier lives when on Earth as Jesus and Mary they were married and had a child. However, Jesus and Mary did not have children and there was no need for them to marry as they were already ‘married’ being a soulpair. And where they to have had a child as AJ suggests, with the world not being in a perfect state to allow such perfection to be born, it would go too much against the tenets of the Rebellion. And Mary and Jesus weren’t allowed to directly interfere with the Rebellion, which is also why they didn’t tell us about how we are to do our healing. And then presumably for that child to marry and have children of its own, the passing of such higher genes would also not be in keeping with the tenets of the Rebellion and Adamic upliftment plans for the world even though Adam and Eve Defaulted.

AJ and Mary say they have reincarnated.
There is no reincarnation. Both the PM and UB say this. I don’t know how they get around it. And besides, for a Creator Pair, what would be the purpose of reincarnating even if they could as their Spirits of Truth have already been liberated, so their coming again, were they able to, wouldn’t achieve anything more than they have achieved. They’d still be severely limited by the Rebellion and Default, and Mary Luck wouldn’t be able to claim her rightful and equal place alongside AJ (Jesus) when they step out fully coming of age assuming their full Sonship and Daughtership. And so far, AJ is encouraging and supporting her as his equal. They couldn’t liberate new Spirits of Truth upon their death of the physical to supplant or even augment the old ones, because they’ve already liberated them. Unless their first Spirits of Truth disappeared or were somehow ‘absorbed’ by their new ones. It doesn’t make any sense.

AJ also says the PM didn’t achieve what they were meant to, so he and Mary had to come again in person. And who is to say that the PM aren’t doing what they are meant to do? Jesus would not be able to do something that didn’t work to perfection as to what the Father wants. So there would be no need for Jesus to return were such a thing possible, because whatever he was hoping to achieve with the Padgett Messages is being achieved. It was all perfect with James Padgett because Jesus is perfect. So it’s still all perfect.

So if anything, AJ and Mary would have in my opinion been better to develop a case for being an Avonal pair coming to Earth on a bestowal mission, for all the reasons I’ve outlined above. But then they’d have to reveal the truth of doing ones healing through ones feelings, this being what their Spirits of Truth would contain fully supporting and augmenting Mary and Jesus’ Spirits of Truth. And as yet from all I’ve read about what they say about how we are to heal themselves, as far as I’m concerned, they’re not saying it all.

They also say they have reincarnated along with a number of other people (ascending mortals presumably) from 2000 years ago. So if they were to reincarnate, they’d come by themselves with no need to be accompanied by anyone else, and especially a handful of mortal souls. If they needed help, they would enlist those sympathetic to them and the truths they’d reveal, just as they did when on Earth, involving the people of the day and not other ‘special people’ who’ve come with them from those times long ago. There needs to be the interaction between the Descending Pair and the Ascending mortals of the day - a public interaction that shows people are hearing the message and applying it to their lives. And so far, no one that I can see who has taken on what AJ and Mary say are doing what I would consider to be their whole soul- or feeling-healing.

Reading your recent message with Jesus he mentioned people falling in to the great revelation and ones looking for the Truth brought by the avonal pair. The Truth being soul healing and feeling healing. How would that help ones going against the whole cleansing ordeal?