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Post by James on Oct 9, 2013 13:52:31 GMT 10
Speaking with Mary Magdalene and Jesus book 3 is now complete and available as a free pdf here
57. Hello again Mary and Jesus. I know you said your revelation is complete, however I still want to ask you both questions here on the forum, is that’s all right with you?
Mary: Certainly James, whatever you like - ask away. We have officially completed our revelation to humanity as we’ve told you, however it’s still important for you to ask us any questions that come to mind for the remainder of your healing, so we are more than willing to help you. And we are also willing to answer other peoples questions through you.
Thank you Mary. Mary, I have been wanting to ask you or Jesus about why the Mother and Father have made Their Divine Love available to us when really we can’t benefit from it, it won’t transform our soul from what I understand until we’ve healed it, so really, what’s the point of being able to have it in our souls.
The point is James, so you can have the experience of further denying God by invocating Their love into your soul only to then use it to further advance your negative state. You will remember that the Mother and Father want you to experience being evil in all your different ways (until you decide to do your healing), and so providing Their love for you to use is just another way.
So in that sense They are really giving all of Themselves, the most pure and potent part of Themselves, their Divine Love, for us to take and use against Them in our denial of ourselves and denial of Them.
Yes James, that’s right.
So bizarrely, it’s been a privilege in a kind of perverse way for us these past two thousand years to have Their love to receive, only to then use it to further our denial of Them.
It’s always a privilege to receive Their Divine Love James, irrespective of what state your mind and will is in.
Thank you Mary, and it’s a privilege to speak with you and Jesus.
As is it our privilege to speak with you James. Speak to you soon. Please note: Posts 1 - 56 are here as free pdf's: Speaking with Mary Magdalene and Jesus books 1 and 2 - from blog
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Post by James on Oct 11, 2013 21:20:22 GMT 10
58. And Mary, there’s more to it that that, isn’t there?
I’ll answer that James - Jesus.
For the past two thousand years with the Divine Love available for people and mansion world spirits to long for, those people who’ve sincerely longed to be with God have received some amount of the Love into their soul, albeit for the most part being unaware of what they were actually doing, so far as the truths revealed in the Padgett Messages tell you. Then, at the beginning of the last century when I came to James Padgett with the Celestial spirits to make known such truths, it was required technically that a part of Mary’s and my spiritual age would include humanity having such truth and being able to consciously long for the Divine Love knowing what they were doing and why, all whilst still in their negative state. So prior to then, people partook of the Love but mostly unconscious of its effect upon their soul. Now people are partaking of the Love conscious of its effects, yet still denying their true relationship with the Mother and Father as they deny it within themselves by denying so many of their feelings. It’s all technical the reasons for this James, it’s all what the Mother and Father want. They brought the evil into being and want a specific amount of souls to experience all the different facets of living and being it. So a certain amount of people will long for the Divine Love, believe it is healing them, whilst unbeknownst to them using it to further their evilness, using it to further their untrue states.
So it’s just how it is - as you say, how God wants it.
Yes. There are lots of reasons why the Mother and Father want it this way, all of which will be revealed in due course as humanity heals itself of its evilness; and all of which will be revealed personally to each of you as you work to liberate yourselves from your wrongness. And there are reasons for it that effect the whole of Nebadon, and the whole of Creation; and reasons that will still be being made known long after humanity has healed itself of its anti truth state of mind and will.
So it’s not a small thing. It’s not that it’s just plain bad luck that we’re in this state, or even that it’s a natural part of a humanities natural evolution.
It’s a very big thing and not just a part of what all ascending souls go through. And even though it has caused a vast amount of disruption to the natural order of things in Mary’s and my universe, and in all your lives, still as it unfolds one can see the sense in it. One can start to gain something of an idea and appreciation of what the Mother and Father have in mind - what They doing it all for, and how They are going about it.
All of which is a little beyond me now.
Yes, but in time James when you come into spirit, then you’ll be more objectively able to look at it all, and start to understand for yourself.
Jesus, is there a greater penalty for those people who are consciously longing for the Divine Love and yet still denying themselves and the Mother and Father, than for those people who were unaware of what they were doing as they received the Love?
Although there are certain laws that require one to experience the pain one has caused oneself and others - including nature, that all being to satisfy the laws of transgression of will, such as the Law of Compensation we spoke with James Padgett about, still overall, all those people conceived into this current spiritual age, that of Mary’s and myself, are all living the same amount of evil only expressing it in different ways. That same amount being seen only on the level of will, and not in the level of mind. So you are all on the will level of the same level of evil, only with your minds you express it very differently. And currently this spiritual age humanity is the most evil it’s been, because part of your evilness is the outright denial of Mary and myself, which you can see in the Christian religions who purport to follow us but are only following their own self-made fantasies, and in the other religions that don’t even include us. And humanity can’t go any further in its evilness because of your denial of Mary and I, who are the most high truth. There is no one higher that can come to your world for you to deny. So you are all currently denying the truth the most you can. So with the next and soon to begin spiritual age, you can’t actually deny the truth - and so deny yourselves and God - more than you already are. And in fact humanity now has to start to turn the corner and begin its healing of its wrongness, this being the only option open to you. You can’t have another full spiritual age increasing your evilness because you’re already at the maximum level you can go with your denial of Mary and myself.
What about just stagnating, staying in our worst evilness for the next and possibly the next after that and so on, spiritual age.
No, there would be no experiential value in that, and so there would be no need for a new spiritual age. And all the possible experience to be had from your denial of Mary and myself you will have had by the time our age ends, which is soon to happen. And you must remember, I’m talking about it all on the level of will, and NOT on the level of mind.
So in a way we’re coming to the end of the road in our evilness.
Yes, however that’s not to say humanity is going to immediately heal itself of it. There is a vast amount of experience next to be had through the various ages to come with humanity gradually progressing out of being evil. For there is to be an increasing number of people and mind spirits choosing to start their healing and to keep working on themselves and then even to complete their healing whilst still being in the world of decreasing evil majority. And one day there will be an equal amount of people striving to live true to themselves through their ongoing feeling acceptance as they progress in their healing, and people still persisting in their negative state. And then it will move with the numbers being in favour of humanity healing itself, then the writing really will be on the wall for those who still wish to remain evil.
And so the Divine Love is going to remain freely available for the next spiritual age of a thousand years, then be withdrawn for humanity to continue to heal itself of its evilness without it.
Yes, technically there is much experience needed involving the further denial of the Divine Love by those who refuse to partake of it, just as there is for those who start to do their soul-healing with it.
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Post by James on Oct 11, 2013 21:25:20 GMT 10
59. We’re all on the same level of evil
Mary, Jesus said that we’re all of the same level of evil only expressing it differently, so when we all do our healing that means we’ll come to see the same truth, and so I would imagine, all be able to fully empathise with each other.
Yes James. Like you were just saying to Marion, in the book she’s currently reading the author’s father showed very clearly right through her early childhood that he hated her, this continuing on when she was an adult leaving her with no doubt about such truth. It was all out there open for all to see and hear as he so often verbally and physically abused her. Whereas with you James, on the level of will as Jesus said, your mother hates you just the same as this father hates his daughter, only your mother covered up such rejection of you, confusing you no end with ambiguous feelings of: does she hate me or love me. And through your healing you’ve been uncovering the truth of your relationship with your mother through your feelings as you are living truer to them; that being that she doesn’t love you, and the love she says she feels for you and told you is only a fantasy love contrived by her mind. So the bottom line is your parents, as with this girls, didn’t love you.
So from what you’re saying, this applies to everyone, that all of us will as we move into where we feel unloved within ourselves, uncover the same truth that we weren’t loved by our parents as we needed to be loved, so all being able to relate to each other on this level.
Yes.
And for those people who seem to have been fully loved - so they feel, compared to those people who seem to have grown up in hell knowing they weren’t loved, it’s just different amounts of love denial being expressed. Is that right, or is it still the same, that’s what I feel, but my mind is struggling with that Mary.
It’s as you sense James, it’s still the same. It’s something you can’t comprehend with your mind, you can’t look at the openly abusive parent and say they are just as unloving as the parent that seems completely loving and devoted to its child. And on that level, things are not the same of course. However on the deepest level, that of the will, it is the same, this being the same truth each person will come to see for themselves as they do their healing. And this too I don’t expect you to understand with your mind, however on a truth level you can relate to everyone starting off on the first mansion world level of truth, that which also contains the lower two earth planes, and moving up through the seven worlds of truth gradually healing yourselves of your evilness as you reach the Celestial spheres. So you all start off on the same lowest level of truth, this being expressed in all your different ways of life irrespective of whether or not you were loved or not loved by your parents, and you grow in truth as you progress with your healing, up through each world until you are fully aware of the truth of your evilness, thereby having healed yourself and so qualifying on a soul level of truth and will progression for life in the higher Celestial spheres.
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Post by James on Oct 15, 2013 20:38:46 GMT 10
60. God’s making us be evil
Jesus, I don’t think many people would accept, or what to believe, that God is making us become evil on purpose. It seems to go against all we believe God to be. That God loves us, and is all-loving, and so being our loving parent or parents, would never dream of hurting us, let alone subjecting us to evil, let alone making us be evil.
Most people are not ready for such truth James, and it will be difficult for them to accept, however if one accepts that God is the creator of everything, then surely one must come to the conclusion that God also is the creator of evil, as are They the creators of love. And surely one must postulate that with love on one side there must be no love on the other. And then one might even go so far as to ponder the notion that if God is indeed all-loving, and yet evil exists, then perhaps within such great love there is room for evil too. And further still: that perhaps evil is a part of love. And even further: that perhaps there actually is no such thing as evil, as it is all love, just different expressions of love.
Yes, I’ve often thought about all of that, and felt it, and Marion and I are constantly discussing it when such thoughts come up in us, but it’s hard to get your mind around, yet I have been feeling that increasingly I can sort of understand such things, just sort of sense their meaning, so I can relate to what you’re saying. It’s all a bit of a riddle - or conundrum. (Are they the same things? - anyway, it’s confusing.)
It’s with your soul-perceptions that you can entertain such notions; it’s with your mind that you struggle to make any sense of it at all. You’ve been heavily conditioned to see God in a certain light, and it’s been very easy for humanity to say Lucifer and Satan took matters into their own hands, going against God’s will, becoming evil all through their own doing. For, as the argument goes, they, like you, do have free will. However such trains of thought don’t hold water, because it comes back to the fact that God created the souls of Lucifer and Satan, and souls with not only the potential to rebel, but also brought it about, it was their destiny, just as it is your destiny living the life you are living. So one has to conclude that God has been in control all along, and They inspired the Lucifers and Satans to go against Them and all creation, all so they would bring about the Rebellion and eventual Default on Earth, all so all of you could be conceived into your evil states of being.
Yeah I know, there is nowhere to go as it all comes back to God. I’ve been feeling lately that nothing, and I mean, not even the tinniest insignificant thought I might have is random or of my own doing, that it’s ALL governed by my soul, so all of me all the time is exactly as the Mother and Father want me to be.
That’s right, it can’t be any other way. We are: ALL OF GOD. We don’t exist separate to God, we don’t stand outside God, outside God’s Creation, we are a creation of God, of our Heavenly Parents, our Divine Mother and Father. So all that we are, is all that They are, and it can’t be any other way.
And within that we’ve been given the sense of having a free will, but really we’re not free in it at all, are we?
No, not on the technical soul level of truth James. However the amazing part of it is that through our minds we can feel, and even believe, that we have absolute free will. Hence your conundrum.
Some time ago seeing it like that made me feel angry, feeling that I am just God’s creation there for Them to do as They please with and without my actually having any say in it. And angry at Them for subjecting me to such misery and pain and such a shit-rotten life, making me feel so alone, unwanted and unloved, and not only by my parents, but also by Them. And angry for Them making me delude myself into believing that I do have free will, when I don’t. And then thinking, so what’s the point of my existence when all I am is a pawn of Their’s, and I am all for Them and nothing for myself, which is of course as my parents made me feel: that I don’t exist for myself in my own right, only existing so they can have power over me, all making me feel like I am a thing, an object, an ornament they can do anything they liked with, without ever having to or wanting to consider my feelings. But all of that anger seems to have gone, and now I am just marvelling at the incredibleness of it all; and lately, even finding I’m relishing that the Mother and Father are controlling every aspect of me, because I certainly wouldn’t know where to begin if it were left up to me. And I’m also feeling more content to accept that I do have complete free will, within complete no free will, and that it’s just another of those weird things.
It’s the two simultaneous levels of existence you’re relating more to James: the soul and its existential level, and the experiential personality level. And on the soul level there is no free will as it’s all predestined as there is no time as experienced and reckoned by the personality level, so no past, present or future, all just the existential now level of reality. And on the personality experiential level, you have a certain freedom of mind and will - at least a feeling and sense that you do, and even a belief. And because you’ve expressed all your anger you’ve had with the Mother and Father and seen that in fact it’s all anger with your parents you’re projecting onto Them, so it’s all gone as the truth has been revealed, and so you’re now able to accept and understand and so be closer to God, all without your parents getting in the way.
I don’t feel closer to the Mother and Father Jesus, not as in feeling more loved by Them or even more loving of Them, but I do feel my anger with Them is lessening as I’m directing it more to mum and dad. I’ve been surprised at having such anger at God, however that too is making more sense as it is God after all that’s making me suffer and putting me through all this shit.
And as you’re also feeling, even your calling it suffering and shit is lessening - albeit during your better times and when you’re not feeling pushed down into the shit of it, and even to the degree of beginning to wonder if it is actually suffering after all, and perhaps it’s something else, something that you’ve not had any experience of.
Yes, I know what you’re getting at, I do feel that way when I’m feeling up, but still, it’s suffering so far as I’m concerned because I still feel so wretched so much of the time. Perhaps when I’m healed - should that ever happen - I might be able to relate to what you’re saying better. But still, Marion and I are more lately getting some sort of inkling along the lines of what you’re suggesting, that it might not be as we think it is after all. And that all we call evil and suffering might not even be as we believe it to be - even feel it to be, and that in the end it might all even be love. Which is a stretch, however one has to consider it could be the case. And I am now the first to admit that I don’t know what love is, not having truly experienced it. And as I am a long way from being as you and Mary are, being perfect in your love states, so all you say love to be I can’t relate to, and won’t get anywhere near to understanding until I’ve finished my healing - that much I now know.
And so James, were I to ask you if evil is love or is love, evil; or, is there love in evil, and evil in love, what would you say?
Can you ask me an easier question? Yeah, I know what you’re getting at Jesus, but I don’t know, I can’t answer that yet, and I certainly don’t want to have a go at it using only my mind. I’ll have to feel that sort of thing, and as I don’t feel it yet, I’ll bear it in mind and see how I feel about such things as I progress in my healing. But I still think I’ve got a long way to go. And if I asked you the same question Jesus, what would you say?
I’d say that I’m not going to say as I’d rather leave it up to you to discover for yourself.
I can accept that it’s not black and white, that evil and love aren’t as separate as I once thought they were. And that perhaps it’s all love with evil being the nether side of love, or the dark side of personality when compared to the light side, or something along those lines. But really I don’t know. My experience so far is that I’m still having to come to terms with being evil in all my self- and feeling-denying ways, and that’s enough for the time being. And I also understand that by blaming evil on the likes of the Devil, on Lucifer or Satan or anyone else, is not what it’s all about either, that that is just a way to keep on denying ones own evilness, accusing the other person of being the bad one, deluding yourself that you’re the good one. That they are at fault, and not yourself, they being of course in the end your parents. And that then takes me back around in a full circle with mum and dad fucking me up, but with myself taking on all their wrongness, ending up being just a fucked up as they are. So we’re all the same, and I’ve still got mountains of repressed anger and hatred of them for treating me so unlovingly buried inside me.
All of which you must express as it comes up within you.
Yes, which then brings more anger at the Mother and Father for making it so dam hard for me to express my repressed feelings, to express any feelings for that matter. Marion expresses hers so easily and naturally, and yet I’m always struggling, with her having to keep asking me: yes, but how do you feel, how does that make you feel, how does having that feeling and that thought make you feel.
Which is all how the Mother and Father want you to be James, all so you can fully experience what it’s like being evil, being of no love, and feeling completely unloved.
Yeah well Jesus thanks very much, but I reckon I’ve had enough of it, so would you mind telling the Mother and Father that I get it and so isn’t it about time They moved me out of it.
You might reckon you get it James, but as you’re still in it, so you still have more to go. So it’s best and right for you to remain as you are, for you to keep working your way through your healing. Were it best for you to be other than you are, then you’d be that way. How you are, now, in each moment, is EXACTLY what is best and right for you, even if you might not feel that way.
Yes, I understand that too, but being of it, and in it, and for so long, all these years; and then gradually waking up to it, the full extent of it, and the horror of it, and feeling so bad; and so, so bad, and so bad so much of the time...
I understand James, all exactly what your soul requires, all so you can uncover the truth of your evilness through your feelings, which in time will lead you to further understand the Truth of Love, which is what it’s all about. I’m going to leave you now James, so Mary and I will speak to you soon.
Thank you both for talking with me.
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Post by James on Oct 15, 2013 20:41:42 GMT 10
61. What is the soul?
Jesus, I was asked by email: what is the soul; can you please answer that? I know we’ve talked about it before, however I’d like to see what you say this time, as each time you say more about such things.
Mary and I do say more James, because each time you’ve asked us you’ve grown more in truth, so we are relating to you differently, on a different level of light - the light of your truth. So our relationship with you is constantly evolving, so there’s always more to come to light. The soul is that indefinable part of yourself. It’s that part you can sense, soul-perceive within you, but you don’t actually know where. And it’s not centred in nor is it part of the mind as some people think. Your soul is separate to all of yourself, that is all the parts or attributes of your personality that are being expressed continuously by it in Creation. Separate and yet inextricably linked to you by light. Our soul contains the pattern of all we are, all we have been and all we’ll ever be. Nothing enters it or leaves it save for light and the Divine Love of God, which is also a Light. Soul-light comes forth from the soul in accordance with its pattern, this light interacting with Creational light on the will level first then moving outward expressing all the aspects of yourself - your personality you need to live life with. As you express yourself, and that’s every part of yourself, all physical, spiritual and all inbetween, so you are generating an experiential light, which then goes back into your soul via your will, which in turn then causes your soul to express the next part of its pattern, and so it goes, as you’re evolved into being by your soul.
So is the soul evolving as the Urantia Book says?
That’s one of those points that always comes up for discussion. Yes and no. On the soul level no, on the experiential level yes. You feel yourself evolving, and your soul is receiving and giving light all the time, and so one could argue it is changing, and yet one can also argue how can something change that’s already completely existentially perfect, and so unchanging.
But our soul is growing in truth, I mean, that’s the part of us that is growing in truth, isn’t it?
It is, so yes, more for the argument of our having an evolving soul, and that’s how you feel, and yet you can also feel how perfect and unchanging your soul is. Another conundrum.
Yes, which I guess is how it will always be because we’re so focused in the experience side of things, being unable to focus in the existential and soul side.
True, however the further you progress and the more of you your soul expresses in Creation, part of what goes along with that is a sense, also from your soul-perfections, that you are actually more your soul, so you are always becoming closer to being your true and whole soul.
Okay, I have a vague sense of what you mean, and I suppose I’ll have to wait until I’ve first healed myself before my soul-perceptions awaken properly.
Yes, because in your negative state you’re denying them, which is why you’re not as yet feeling and perceiving the full benefits of the truth you have evolved in your soul.
I see, yes of course, that’s what I was talking with Marion about today, something I’d not been able to understand. But now I can, thank you Jesus once again. So even though I’ve done a certain amount of my healing and so grown a certain amount in truth, the same with receiving a certain amount of Divine Love, I don’t really feel that much better for it, even after all these years. It’s hard to say, as now I’ll contradict myself, because I do feel so much better in lots of ways, but not anything like I image and hope I will feel when I am healed. I don’t feel any great love or support from the Mother and Father nor do I live with any feelings of confidence, certainty and faith in myself, like how I imagine one would live if one wasn’t full of so much fear, being full of love. But from what you’ve said, it makes sense, that of course I can’t feel loved and all that it brings because I’m still not true and perfect. So I can’t feel the full support and comfort of the truth I have attained because I’m still untrue in so many ways, my untruth still undermining my truth.
And you can’t feel too good yet James, because were you to it would stop you feeling bad, it helping you to keep denying the remaining repressed feelings that are in you. So although your soul has evolved to some degree in truth, you can’t live with and feel the full benefits from it just yet because you’ve still got to keep feeling bad so as to keep bringing up what’s still repressed in you. And the same goes as you said for the Divine Love, your soul won’t allow you to feel its full benefit yet because that too would overshadow your remaining repressed bad feelings. So all the good feeling resulting from the Love and the truth are sort of on hold, with just enough of their light given to you so as to enable you to feel that indeed you are on the right track by doing your healing, and giving you just enough strength and desire to keep pushing on, all whilst at the same time, not preventing you from feeling all the bad feelings you need to keep feeling.
Now you say all this, I remember we’ve been over it before, and yes I understand it all again. I don’t know Jesus, sometimes I think I’m losing the plot, I seem to forget so much.
It’s only that your soul stops or keeps you from remembering it James, all so you can keep focused on what you need to be so as to keep bringing up and expressing your repressed feelings. When you’re healed, there will be no longer any need to ‘forget’.
Can you say some more about the soul please?
Yes. As we’ve previously talked about it being duplex in nature, I won’t go over that again, however I will add that your soul is not your consciousness, nor your subconscious for that matter, they being parts or attributes of your experiential or Creational personality. When you die and move into spirit, all that is of the experiential part of you other than your physical body, ‘moves’ or simply ‘awakens’ in your spirit form, it all having nothing to do with your soul. However your soul orchestrates your transition. Your soul always remains where it is, there is no such thing as space as it’s defined in Creation in the existential-ness of soul. So it’s not quite right when people say their soul has gone to heaven, as heaven is just a part of Creation, it also being only an expression of soul, that being of the Mother and Father’s Great Soul.
Jesus, in soul-land, are all the souls sort of next to each other in soul-space, and how are they in relation to God’s soul... or are we all in God’s soul, like subsets of it?
I can’t tell you James, for I don’t know. It’s one of those things that there is a lot of speculation about, but so far Creation has not been told about how it actually is. It just IS, and that’s about all we can say and accept. However in time, in the aeons of eternity, it’s speculated that we might know more about soul, the Mother and Father revealing more of the true nature of Themselves. But for the time being, the soul will remain the One Great Unfathomable Mystery.
Why have people confused the soul with the mind?
Because they’ve not had the Divine Love in their soul so as to make the necessary distinctions. Also they have reasoned that as they believe they have freedom of mind to do as they please, so the mind is the most powerful part of them, unlike their feelings which they have no say and little control over, not unless they use their mind. So they have looked to God as being the all-powerful one, the one who naturally created the all-powerful mind. And then as the soul being a real thing having been revealed to humanity from time to time, so such people have understandably put the two together, reasoning that the mind is the soul and the soul the mind. Or the mind is the seat or heart of the soul, or the soul is the seat or heart or light of the mind, and that through your mind you can attain the soul, which of course you can’t and is untrue. Only through your feelings can you come to BE your soul. And such people have believed and strived to be at-one with God through their minds, in the mistaken belief they are becoming at-one with their own soul and the Great Soul that is God. This being what many of the mind spirits and guru type people on Earth are striving to achieve. But it’s all by denying their true feelings, so all only going further into their feeling-denial and evilness.
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Post by James on Oct 15, 2013 20:46:06 GMT 10
62. What’s the point of existing?
Mary, what is the point of existing when you feel you have no point?
All you can do James is keep on expressing such feelings and seeking the truth of them.
But when you feel so meaningless and pointless, you don’t feel there’s any point in doing anything. It’s all so self-defeating.
I know, but all you can do is keep speaking about all you feel.
And then you feel so angry, once you no longer feel so miserable about it, about not having a meaningful life, and for being here when there’s no point to it. It’s all infuriating, feeling so nothing, useless, so pointless, and yet you can’t do anything about it, only as you say, keep saying how angry and bad you feel; but still, you go around and around never getting anywhere, and that’s so pointless. And you feel you’re down your hole and that’s all you are, all you have, all you will ever have; and even killing yourself is pointless when you understand that you just wake up in spirit still feeling the meaningless pointless person you are.
Talk, talk, talk about it all James, keep talking about it, always talk about it, don’t stop yourself, don’t hold back, and all whilst you’re longing for the truth.
All right Mary. And I understand that being evil means you’re of no love, and so being of no love you have no point, because only love has a point, but what’s the point of not being of love, not being loving, just being a blight on the planet, a blight on Creation. And feeling you have nowhere to go, no one wants you, there’s nothing to do, nothing makes you feel good once you’ve given up doing all the things you think will make you feel good - once you fully accept they too are just a waste of time.
All so you can come to understand yourself better James, all so you can feel and know the truth or point of evil. Which is as you’re feeling - evil being pointless and meaningless. And look at all the false meaning humanity has contrived trying to give its meaningless evil existence a point.
Yeah I know, and I no longer want any part of it, but I can’t just stop or cease to be, I can’t leave, I’m stuck here, I can’t get out of it. And worse in some ways I still have to keep playing the game, I still have to eat and have somewhere to live, so I’ve got to keep pretending there is some point, at least in that, but I still don’t feel there is. And really I only just see the point of speaking about my pointlessness feelings, and only because over my healing years I have changed - into feeling just how truly pointless I am. So the more I progress in my healing becoming truer to my evilness, so the truer to my pointlessness I am as well, feeling all the more pointless. It’s a vicious circle, there is no way out.
There is, yet only through these pointless feelings and how feeling them makes you feel. By fully accepting your pointlessness.
And what’s the point do doing that, what is the point of uncovering the truth of my evilness.
That point will come to do when you do, and then you will know it. But you can’t beforehand, and I can’t tell you, and even if I did, it would be pointless as you’d fail to understand and grasp what I am saying because as yet you’re unable to experience it.
All right, so what’s the point of writing more with you Mary?
I can’t answer that for you James.
Thank you Mary. I’ll take my pointless, meaningless existence over to Marion and be with her in her pointless meaninglessness. And you know, it’s fucking scary feeling so nothing, as there’s just a bottomless pit, and it’s crying out of me, to come and let go and... and I don’t know what - lose it completely and go screaming into the depths of hell?
Just keep telling Marion all you feel.
All right Mary, I’ll go and leave you alone.
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Post by James on Nov 27, 2013 15:41:41 GMT 10
63. What Jesus showed us by dying on the cross
Mary, the man next door has a beautiful roan coloured spaniel, and seems very fond of it. He only leaves it outside if he can’t have it with him when he goes out. Now it seems like a woman has come into his life and the much loved dog is relegated to the outside all the time, with it crying on and off through the day. And it’s mournful cry makes Marion and I feel bad, as we understand we’re projecting onto the dog, it being ourselves now cast aside, left outside - unwanted. As we’ve been expressing our bad feelings, so we’ve moved deeper into ourselves, and once again it’s come up as to: what should we do about the crying dog. It looks like they are going to be staying at least for a week this time, it was only over last weekend that the dog started crying, they coming only periodically to their holiday house. Marion was saying that she won’t be able to bear it, feeling like if it keeps going on for a few days she’ll have to go over and plead with the woman (as the man is not there so far) to do something about it to stop its crying. And then it changed within her, feeling no, she won’t and doesn’t want to do anything, it’s not her right to interfere trying to make the woman be how she wants her to be, trying to make her love the dog; so she should do nothing other than keep on expressing how bad she feels. And this is how it was with her parents, she tried to make them stop being unloving to her, but they wouldn’t, and she was forced to give up and just accept they would never change; but still as she feels it’s wrong, she’s always wanted to try and make them change, and I do the same with my parents, always hoping that if I am good they will love me. And it’s becoming even more apparent that our fighting our parents was actually only keeping the whole thing as it was, even making it worse for us, because by rebelling against them, they are not going to try and suddenly see the error of their ways and change, apologising and becoming all-loving. But when you are small and feel threatened and so unloved, you do fight for your life as you can’t do anything else, it’s natural survival instinct, you can’t just give up and die, not unless it gets so bad that that’s all you can do. So now as an adult we’re not to fight for our lives when we feel scared and threatened, preferring to die if that is the result, and staying with ourselves and our bad feelings expressing and seeking the truth of them, instead of trying to make the bad thing that’s making us feel bad, stop. We’re trying not to resist, and instead allow ourselves to feel as unloved and miserable as we can, as hard as it is. And when we go this way, always Jesus comes up and his example of not doing anything to stop the bad thing. He never fought and didn’t run away, he allowed them to nail him to the cross.
That’s right James, it being the central truth you are to gain from his death on the cross. As you understand, being evil is wrong, however it’s not for us to stop it, trying to change it or change ourselves to make it go away. That’s up to the Mother and Father. All we can do, all you can do being evil, is decide that you no longer want to be it, and then as we’ve said, set about accepting all of your evil self as you are, so accepting all your feelings, good and bad, and wanting to uncover the truth of them. And in doing that, you are not interfering with yourself, not trying to make your bad feelings go away, not trying to make them stop, or trying to make whatever is making you feel bad stop. You are just unconditionally accepting yourself. And as you do, and as the truth surfaces - the truth of your negative state, so you just accept it and again see how that makes you feel; and again, without trying to change yourself by using your mind. And along the way as you see the error of your ways so you decide to not be that way, and yet again you still don’t do anything to stop yourself by applying your mind. All you do is keep on expressing and seeking the truth of all you feel, together with discussing all you feel and the truth that results. And when it’s time for you to no longer be afflicted by the negative pattern and that part of being evil, so the Mother and Father via your soul, will change you. And that’s what happens, as you’ve experience.
It’s so difficult though when all we’ve been taught to do is change this and that and ourselves to make it all better.
Yes it is, as being in a negative states stops you living such truth, it stops you being as Jesus demonstrated. It makes you want to fight because you feel so powerless - Jesus never felt powerless. That being the big difference between yourselves and him. All your behaviour, even the more passive and so-called loving approach, all results from your feeling unloved and so powerless. Jesus always felt loved and powerful being of true perfect natural love, so you can’t emulate his actions by using your mind, you have to heal yourself of your negative state, and as you grow in truth and change into becoming true, then you’ll naturally live the truths he lived.
But isn’t it a natural instinct to fight for your survival, like the creatures do?
Yes it is, you cry when your parent doesn’t give you what you need, your parent then responding to you with love taking care of you. However, your parents didn’t respond lovingly, leaving you crying and getting angry with you for doing so and constantly demanding their attention when they didn’t want to give it to you because they didn’t truly love you. And were they truly loving, would you even have a reason to cry? And so far as you natural instinct goes to fight for your survival, being an adult you have the choice of fighting or just dying, submitting to the overwhelming force and not trying to stop it. Because in trying to stop it, what are you really doing - you are trying to stop yourself feeling bad. And yet, what’s wrong with feeling bad, and even so bad that you die. Because what’s wrong with dying - nothing, as Jesus showed. You still keep living. And if you fight back you are doing what they are doing to you, you are trying to impose your will on them to make them change - to stop being mean and unloving to you. So to give up and not try to impose your will on anyone or anything, just staying true to your feelings expressing all you feel and longing for the truth of them, is an alternative way you can consider. And Jesus is your example of this. Jesus died on the cross because his truth threatened the powers that be. They didn’t want to embrace the truth that Jesus was, they wanted to maintain power, so they fought him. They didn’t surrender and submit to all the bad feelings Jesus was making them feel as his truth showed up and confronted their untruth. And yet had they allowed themselves to feel bad and not interfere with another person - Jesus, they’d have looked to their own feelings to show them the way, the way into their own truth. And they would have dealt with their self- and feeling-denial, their evilness, slowly healing themselves of it and leaving Jesus be. And in time growing in truth and becoming as Jesus was, so no longer feeling threatened by him, fully accepting him as they fully accepted themselves.
So our fighting, like our wanting to make the woman next door be nicer to her dog so it stops crying, is our not being true to ourselves, so we stay in our evilness.
Yes, were you to go and plead with her, or just tell her, demand she loves her dog so it will stop crying, you are just using your mind to have control over her, which is all your parents did to you, which is wrong. So yes, you’d only be perpetuating and empowering your evilness, keeping yourself in your negative state. So by not doing anything, and accepting all the bad feelings that makes you feel, expressing them and seeking their truth, then you are allowing yourself to feel as you feel - powerless, just as your parents made you feel; and you’re not fighting them, even if it goes to the point that you feel so bad you die.
But a big part of our fight is not wanting to die, believing it’s even wrong to die.
Yes, that being a big part of the evil package vested on mankind. If you were to embrace dying seeing it and feeling it as a good thing, then you’d be more able to not fight and give in and allow yourselves to feel what you really do feel. And I must stress James, it’s to give into you feelings AND LONGING FOR THE TRUTH THEY ARE TRYING TO SHOW YOU - WANTING TO UNCOVER THAT TRUTH OF YOURSELF. For if you just give in to your feelings and don’t seek the truth of them - of yourself, you can use your giving in as just another ploy of being the victim so as to manipulate your controllers making yourself feel powerful in your giving in. It’s not about trying to empower yourself because you feel powerless, it’s about accepting your bad feelings - accepting them as you submit to them, all so you CAN FEEL EVERY BIT OF POWERLESSNESS YOU FEEL; and understand all why you feel that way, and how all of the parts of feeling it make you feel. It’s wanting to uncover the WHOLE truth of it, which is the whole truth of yourself. You DO feel powerless, that IS the truth you are living - so accept it! And from there; okay: so why am I feeling this way, and how does feeling this way make me feel; what was done to me to make me feel this bad, and how have I taken it all on keeping myself feeling this way. So you uncover all the ins and outs of it - all the truth. And when you’ve brought it all to light and brought out all your repressed feelings to do with it, then you’ll change, then you’ll heal, then your soul will change your negative patterns into positive ones. And that is the ONLY way you can ascend your soul in truth whilst you’re of a negative anti truth state.
It’s so hard Mary when you do give into your feelings, even with this dog, because as you said, as you do allow yourself to feel all your bad feelings then you do start to feel like you’re dying, going to be crushed out of existence. You feel like your guts are being ripped out of you, you feel devastated, like you are gasping for breath, and to just allow yourself to keep sinking into the hell of your oblivion, shit it’s hard.
Yes James, however there is no other way. But, as I’ve said, all so long as you keep speaking about all you feel, expressing the full emotion of it, and most importantly - KEEP LONGING FOR THE TRUTH OF ALL YOU ARE FEELING. And that will allow you to ‘die’, for in each of your bad feelings that’s essentially what’s happening to you, a part of you is being made to ‘die’, which makes you feel bad. And so to go with it, to be scraped along your bottom line as you’ve often said you feel, is as terrible as it makes you feel, and it’s all you can do because that’s the truth, it’s the truth of what happened to you and what is still happening to you; so as you accept this unwanted part of yourself by allowing yourself to feel so bad, then you are accepting and allowing yourself to be as you truly feel - as you truly are, because if you were not truly like this, then you’d not be feeling such feelings.
So Mary, when our parents interfere with us when we’re young and forming, stopping us from being our true selves, they are in effect killing us, in each of those moments.
Yes, they are causing a part of your personality to stop being expressed by your soul, so in that way, that part of you is being forced to ‘die’. You can’t however completely eradicate that part of you, it merely stays there waiting for the day you liberate it, however the feelings it makes you feel are like you are being forced to die, which is why you cry and protest and fight. You are de-powered, as the true power of your soul through your will can’t be manifested, it’s not being able to bring that part of you into being. So you feel as you feel when you’re being overpowered, and if threatened too much, like you’re dying. And so you naturally fight, but once it becomes obvious that you’re not going to be able to get your power back naturally so you are forced into having to change yourself, so you do, changing the true you into the false untrue you, and all by applying your mind. So many children at some point, even if they are not forced to do it, decide by using their mind to stop crying, and doing so have given up on themselves, they have joined the enemy and accepted the rebellion against them. So they side with their parents, even if they also feel they are still fighting them, but one way or another they are giving up on themselves and being how their parents want them to be, all in the misguided and desperate hope that their parents will then love them. And some people then feel loved by their parents, their parents being happy with the way things are going, how their child is killing its true self and becoming false, and so ‘love’ it, with the child then mistaking this mind-love for being true love and thinking they are on the right track, so they keep denying themselves fitting in more with how their parents want them to be.
And through our healing, as it’s happened to me a lot, we work our way back to those decision times, feeling all that was going on that make us rebel against ourselves.
Yes, you uncover the hidden or buried truth of it. You don’t remember what you did, but you are making decisions with your mind right from your first moment of conception, even with such a rudimentary mind. Those decisions compounding as your mind develops, until around six when your mind is fully developed and you’re locked into your negative state.
So we’re going against ourselves right from conception.
Yes, because your parents are going against you, as they are going against themselves. And irrespective of how loving they might be and how much love they might feel for you, because they are not truly loving, being of their negative state, so you feel unloved by them, all from the deepest level out. So the pressure to join them, to be as they are, is on you right from the first moment, as it can’t be any other way - they are your parents.
So going back to using Jesus as the example: are we to be pacifists and not fight?
No, because that is being a term of the mind. You are to simply be yourself, which means, be true to your feelings; you don’t need to be categorised, you don’t need to try to fit yourself into an acceptable picture. So if you feel bad you accept, express and seek the truth of those feelings, however if whilst doing that you also feel you want or have to act - fight - so you do. What you don’t do is say: Jesus was like this so I too will be like that, and then set about applying your mind to be as you think Jesus was. You are to live a feeling-led life not one controlled by your mind. So you say: Jesus was - is - the living truth, I too want to be the living truth - living my own truth. And so you set about it through your feelings. And if your feelings at times make you act a certain way, you act that way, but ALL THE TIME whilst you’re acting, expressing and longing for the truth of all you’re feeling. As you have done James; one time with the dog crying your expressing of your feelings led you to go over and see if you could make it stop, and at other times your feeling expression has led you to not interfere even though you did want to. And you keep going, up and down, backwards and forwards, all over the place as your feelings guide you, all so you can get more in touch with your true self through them. And as the truth evolves in you, so you know more about how you feel about things and how you feel acting on them. And one day you’ll be acting as Jesus would in that situation, you being true to yourself and your soul and no longer controlling any aspect of yourself with your mind. You are not to live by a set of rules, even if they are self-imposed, you are live true to your feelings - always! And your feelings will break all mind-imposed rules, but will lead you to fit in with all soul-expressed rules. And by living true to your feelings, true to yourself, you’ll naturally be living true to God’s Feelings (and NOT true to God’s Mind and Thoughts) - true to God, so true to God’s will; or, true to God’s Way. The Way of your Heavenly Parents.
Thank you Mary.
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Post by James on Feb 8, 2014 10:54:19 GMT 10
64. Therapist verses self-therapy 8 October 2013
Mary, would you mind telling me your thoughts on this - Therapist verses self-therapy?
All Jesus and I are advocating is self-therapy, and really, it’s just a different way to live life than what most people have grow up in. It’s a means to access the truth of yourself through your feelings, and a way to lessen and then end, the control you make your mind have over yourself. As we’ve said, it’s all through accepting, expressing and uncovering the truth your feelings want you to see, and you can do it all yourself if that is how you feel you want to do it. You don’t need to go to a therapist or anyone else other than being with your friend who is someone who is wanting you to share and express all you feel. And you can do a lot of by yourself. However, having said that, should you feel you do want to go to a therapist then of course this is what you must do, accepting, expressing and seeking the truth of your feelings all along the way.
Marion needed professionals to help her plunge down and push past some of her blocks.
Yes, only because back then she didn’t fully understand the significance of what she’s doing now. Had she understood, then she might not have needed such outside help, wanting to do it all by herself. However her experiences with the therapists were invaluable, as they helped her to understand the truth she is living now - that being, how to fully honour and be true to herself, and achieving that through her feelings, and those feelings being those repressed from her early childhood.
She has at times wished she could go and get someone to help her break through to what she feels she’s still got hidden away inside herself, those parts which during her worst times she feels she’s not capable of getting into.
She has felt such things and expressed such feelings, and consequently worked her way down and past such blocks herself, proving to herself that she can do it all herself.
Part of the difficulty is not having such good therapist readily available anyway, even if we had the money to pay for their help.
Which is an important part of it James. The Mother and Father are wanting you to experience being evil, feeling what it feels like to feel unloved, unwanted and uncared about. And then when it’s time, They want you to heal yourself of your negative state providing you with all the help you need. And if such professional help is not readily available, then They will ensure you can do it all on your own. If it is available and you need to experience it, then They will ensure you have the means to do so. Marion needed to receive her initial professional help to help her understand through her own feelings that which she needed to do through her healing. She needed the professionals to push her past her initial resistance, and to see in retrospect how damaging that was, how it wasn’t actually how to go about helping someone. And that the only true help you can receive is by loving yourself, through helping yourself, and through your feelings and NOT with your mind as so many people believe. You can’t truly help yourself out of your negative state by using your mind or any mind technique because your mind is already corrupt. And seeking professional assistance, although such therapy might be good and helpful and even based on the same principles that we have been speaking about; and even though it might even release some of your trauma, still it’s doing it under or within the auspices of the mind - so it’s still all mind controlled. The simple fact that you have to make an appointment to see your busy therapist, is mind controlling. To have to pay money, is mind controlling. Whereas to do your own self-healing through your ongoing feeling acceptance, working on yourself all the time, whenever and wherever your bad feelings arise, is being free of your mind. It will still try to control you healing, as you try to make your healing fit in with your life, but the further you progress and heal yourself through your feeling expression, the more your life will adjust allowing you to work more on yourself in the moment with your feelings, with your feeling-moment being the priority.
I’d not seen it like that, that visiting a therapist is a part of the mind control. Because you are then having to fit into how your therapist wants or thinks it should be done.
Yes, they will influence it, no matter how free they try to allow you to be in your feeling expression. The fact that they are a ‘therapist’ is mind controlling. However, as I said, it might be what some people need, and should that be the case then one should respect those feelings. You can’t give up the control of your mind all at once, that would be too traumatic, you’d never cope, so you have to do it gradually as you make the necessary adjustments along the way.
Some of the intense therapy can of itself be traumatic.
Yes, it can liberate too much repressed feeling, all stressing you out not having the inner structure or truth to deal with it. You see your soul- and feeling-healing is completely orchestrated by your soul, and although at times it can be harrowing, you are always prepared to deal with it. It might feel like you are taken to the edge, but you will never go over it if you keep expressing your feelings and longing for the truth of them. God is looking after you and overseeing it all, unlike putting yourself into the hands of a therapist who can’t see and doesn’t know the bigger picture and how things might affect you. However, again I will add, that if you feel to undergo such intense therapy with the intention of including it as part of your feeling-healing, then of course it will be part of it, your soul taking that all into account.
So really from what you’ve said Mary, any therapy, and even self-therapy, that doesn’t include your intention to do your soul- or feeling-healing, is, even if you have wonderful healing breakthroughs, still doing it all within or under the auspices of your controlling mind.
That’s right James. You could even receive a miracle healing from the angels, or as you said, heal all your illness and psychological traumas with professional help, all enabling you to get on with your life feeling much better about yourself, even happy and loved, yet if you are not applying the full intention to uncover THE WHOLE TRUTH OF YOURSELF THROUGH YOUR ONGOING FEELING ACCEPTANCE, then still all you’re doing is readjusting your minds control over you. And you might be very happy with that, feeling you have accomplished great things, but still one day you’ll have to do your feeling- or soul-healing to its completion so as to rid yourself of your childhood repression and all the problems it’s caused. Your repressed childhood state is more than just unexpressed childhood feelings. It’s all that you have become through your forming years to make you into the evil person you are. And so through your feeling-healing or soul-healing you will have to look into all of your controlling beliefs, see what they are and why you have them, and then see how they determine and so control your behaviour, and all that makes you feel, seeing how it all goes together, all whilst coming to terms with the truth of your unloving relationship with your parents. So many people work on themselves, and feel they have made good headway, no longer feeling bad, and healing any rift they might have with their parents, being able to forgive them and let them go and get on with their lives. However, this too is only more mind shuffling, just rearranging the deck to suit yourself, it’s not uncovering the whole truth of yourself through your feelings. It’s not facing the whole bad feeling truth of your relationship with your parents.
I’ve long since given up wanting to forgive mum and dad.
That’s right, it’s not about forgiving them or not forgiving them, it’s only about accepting and expressing all your bad feelings about them you have, and uncovering the truth of why you have them. Should you end up forgiving them, so be it, but it’s not something you should strive for with your mind, it should only be something that naturally comes about of its own accord through your healing, and so, if it’s part of your healing. And as you can’t have any idea how your healing is going to happen, what route it will take, so there is no need to even think about such things, unless of course... and you know what I mean, unless you have bad feelings about it.
So we are to be our own therapists.
Yes, ultimately, not reliant on anyone. You trusted your parents being wholly reliant on them, but they broke that trust. And as a consequence you don’t trust yourself, no matter how much you might believe you do. And so part of your healing is giving back yourself that trust, looking only to yourself, to your feelings to guide you and show you what’s right and wrong for you in your life. You are to place yourself in your own ‘feeling-hands’, and in doing so will slowly gain as you bring to light, all the mistrust, all the trust you should have had in yourself had you been allowed to grow up being true to yourself. And part of your difficulty James, and also Marion’s in her way, is that you’ve been made completely to be dependent on another person, and to extract yourself from that dependence, to regain your true power, is very hard to do. And can’t be done with the mind as so many people believe they can and are doing. They are only succeeding in further empowering their negative state.
Yes, I’ve been able to see that more clearly in things I’ve read where people say that’s how to empower yourself, by using your mind in one way or another.
That’s all only a delusion James, that which the mind spirits do. They believe they are getting somewhere in healing their problems through self-empowerment, but it’s all by using their minds to have yet more power over themselves, all the way up to the high planes of the sixth mansion world. All that: ‘I have free-will to change myself and my destiny’ stuff, is the sort of thing I’m talking about. It all only changing your mind-set, altering how you see yourself, all so you shift your conscious focus away from your bad feelings and problems and onto a new positive approach. But it’s all self-deceiving, only adding yet more layers of feeling-denial, and not doing your true healing. It’s all running away and not going in and accepting the truth of how you really do feel.
Thank you Mary.
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Post by James on Feb 8, 2014 10:57:12 GMT 10
65. If it all goes to shite... 10 October 2013
Mary, following on from what you were saying, one of the appealing things about doing ones feeling- or soul-healing is that if one is in a situation whereby you can’t gain any sort of help, you can still do it by yourself. I’m not going to ask you again about whether or not the whole system is going to fail and the world end as we know it, either though our own doing like nuclear war or ‘God’s doing’, such as Nibiru coming through, or anything else that might change everything, but should something like that happen and there are none of the usual support systems in place, at least people will still be able to work on themselves doing their healing, as it only requires yourself and another person to do it.
That’s right James, you are not limited by anything other than your own motivation and will to do it. And be it on Earth or on spirit should you begin it on Earth and your life ends before you finish it, you’ll be in a much better state of being to begin your spirit life with the intention to carry on with your healing. You will avoid getting caught up in the fun of the ‘New Life’ as so many mind spirits do feeling so happy about being ‘free’.
And presumably God will ensure that there is always someone who will be there willing to listen to you should you be intent on uncovering the truth through your feelings.
Yes. You might need a certain amount of time on your own, but when you need another willing person, a friend, they will be provided. Doing your healing, healing your evilness is given top priority, so should you be intent on uncovering the truth of yourself through your healing, then all you need will be given to you. It is always given, however I think you understand what I’m saying.
That really if we give ourselves all we need, that being our full desire to do our healing, then it will happen, life will respond and we’ll start feeling bad so we can start going into those bad feelings.
Yes.
Not that I want to feel bad, and not that I can imagine anyone else wanting to either.
No, but there’s no other way. And so, should, as you say, everything change, at least you can still work on yourself without having to put that aside because now the world as you knew it is no longer the same. And in fact, the world completely changing so nothing is as it was, would be a great help to you in your healing as it would make you feel bad causing you to have to confront new situations you might not want to. It might of course also make you feel good, and you can still apply the healing principles to those good feelings.
And as it’s been for Marion and I, the world can go merrily on its way without any bad things really happening that have greatly affected us, and still our soul has been able to bring pressure to bear so as to make us feel bad.
Yes James, like you’re currently experiencing getting your new car. On the surface of it one would think it’s a good thing and so you’d be feeling happy and excited by it, it being something that for most people would probably remove or keep at bay any bad feelings whilst they were happy buying their new car. But for you and Marion, even though on one level it’s what you need to do, it being a good experience, still it’s causing yet more repressed bad feelings to come up in you both, taking you both deeper into yourselves as you bring to light yet more truth.
Yeah I know. I don’t feel happy or excited about it at all. So many fears have been surfacing for me to deal with. And as you say, so much more truth has been coming to light. I feel like I’ve smashed the new car up on it’s first day and all hell has broken loose, having to remind myself that we’ve not even got the car yet.
So as you’ve experienced, it doesn’t matter what’s happening in your life, even good things could be, and yet for other reasons they are putting pressure on you making you feel bad, all because those are the patterns during your early life. You weren’t allowed to be just happy because good things happened to you, like your first Easter Egg hunt at kinda; as soon as you’d collected all your eggs feeling very happy, you got smashed in the face with the half-brick. That being on a psychological level what your parents did to you emotionally, spiritually and psychically. So your pattern is heavily ingrained in you that good things don’t necessarily make you feel good, even to the point of your not doing things to make yourself feel good. So it’s right that the prospect of getting a new car is scaring you, because they scared you.
Yeah, it’s completely meant I’ve not been able to just be happy about anything. I can for a moment, only to then start worrying that bad things will happen. So I kill any good feelings with my fears and worries.
And part of your now getting a new car is for you to have an experience of getting a new good thing, and a big thing like that, all so it will confront such fears in you, making what’s remaining surface, all of which you’ve been working through. For you can’t even hope to have a good happy life when all the time you’re scared to death living in a state of anxiety that the bad thing is going to happen at any moment to ruin the good feelings.
I know Mary.
I will leave you now James, speak to you soon.
Bye Mary.
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Post by James on Feb 8, 2014 11:01:05 GMT 10
66. How do the angels help us with our healing? 16 October 2013
Mary, how do they?
I will give you some examples James, things that have happened to you that the angels have done. Some of these things you being aware of the angelic help, others not. However before I do that, I’ll tell you a little more about their relationship with you. As you understand, everyone has a pair of angels always in attendance with them - your guardian angels as they are often called. And these angels liaise with your Indwelling Spirit, other higher spirit personalities, and your soul, so as to help you in life, and in whatever ways are deemed necessary to help you by all those unseen helpers involved. Angels don’t exist in the mansion worlds, only in the Celestial spheres, so it’s not until you are of a level of truth having healed your whole negative state that you’d be able to see them, where you living in spirit. However, to some degree you can freely speak with them as you can other spirits whilst you’re on Earth or in the mansion worlds. Most of what is attributed to angels by people on Earth is wrong, and most people who believe they are speaking with angels are only speaking with mind spirits - who will quite freely pretend to be angels if you want them to be. The angels will only make themselves known to you should it be part of your soul and life experience. And unless you are doing your feeling- or soul-healing, there would be only a very slight chance of your soul requiring you speak with them as part of your life experience. In doing your healing you increase your chances of direct communication with them, and many people might find they are drawn to such inner communication. And should you dear reader be one such person, I would advise you to keep as open a mind as possible and to look to your feelings in all things and all communication. Now James, some of the ways your angels have worked with and helped you through your healing.
Did they work with me and help me before I started my healing?
They have been and are always with you James, as with all people, working and helping you right from conception through to your death and life in the mansion worlds, however once you began your healing their work changed so as to be entirely focused on helping you to uncover the truth of yourself through your feelings. Prior to people starting their feeling- or soul-healing, as it was with you James, they will be entirely dedicated to helping you further advance your evilness, as that is how you wish to be.
Even if people are longing for the Divine Love?
Yes. If you’ve not started doing your healing, Divine Love or not, you are still choosing to remain in your negative state, and so your angels will assist you to do so.
Okay Mary, so can you give me please, also an example of how they helped me to further my negative state before I began my healing.
Yes, you remember them coming to you during some of your prayers for Divine Love when you had your healing centre, that is one such example. They gave you some profound experiences of themselves, all of which greatly impressed you. All helping you to expand your ego and feelings of superiority, helping you believe you were more powerful, more in control, and more special. So all helping you to feel good in an egotistical way about yourself, which was furthering your evilness, and which was what you wanted. Your angelic guardians and all other spirit help at that time was given to you so as to make you feel better about being evil, feeling better about being in your negative and feeling-denying state. Making you feel like you had more control, that you were on your right path, the path God wanted, but it was still all only the feeling-denying path your mind wanted. So they helped you believe that their coming to you as they did was part of your spiritual advancement, which indeed it was on a mind level, but not on a truth level from your feelings and soul. And as you can see now, it was all only advancing your mind. At that point you’d not reached the intention or developed the desire of living true to yourself - really living true, it was still only a concept; you’d not wanted to put it into practice, this being what you did just prior to meeting Marion and the beginning of your feeling acknowledgement and acceptance to use such feelings to truly grow in truth. When you started your healing, you started your true spiritual advancement.
They were fantastic experiences, and yes, I did add them to my beliefs that I was superior in a spiritual way, not that I really knew what that meant at the time. That whole time with all the spirits and angels coming to me greatly elevated my ego, that’s for sure.
All so you could and would do the work that was to follow. Had you not had such ego appealing experiences you’d more than likely have got bored with the whole spiritual thing and dropped it, so you needed such impressive experiences. Another experience which the angels helped you have to further your unloving state, one you had very early on in your life, was when the young boy threw the half-brick at your face after the Easter Egg hunt. They ensured that the boy had enough strength to do it, and that the trajectory of it was as it was meant to be, all so you’d experience all you did. And that was a major trauma and turning point for you, in knocking your self-esteem substantially, making you turn inwards, helping you to fear the world, all so you’d not get carried away with making a ‘success’ of your life as you got older; all to undermine your self-worth so as to ensure you failed in the world so you’d look in and not out, and so look to spirit as you did; and all so you’d be even more impressed when the angels came to visit you during those meditations.
Those angels weren’t my two guardian angels were they, they were other ones.
That’s right, your guardians will not leave their posts through your life James, they will make sure all goes according to plan. So they enlisted the help of other angels to ‘speak through you’ as you were doing your channeling. They oversaw the communication making sure it all went according to plan.
Okay, so what about once I started my healing.
Mostly they’ve been involved with bringing about the necessary inner adjustments required within your auric system as you’ve progressed. All your sudden aches and pains, ones that seem to come for no apparent reason, just like the current difficulties you’re having with your left arm, have been brought about angels influencing your inner system with light that in turn affects your outer system, your physical body. As I’ve told you before, EVERY part of your physical body can be influenced from spirit by your angels if necessary. You have been speculating to yourself about the adverse influences of radiation should the broken reactors in Japan get worse, and all such harmful and toxic things can be nullified in the physical body should your soul require it, your angels doing it for you. In theory, as it’s not as yet been put to the test on Earth, nor might it have to be, a person could survive in a very hostile life-destroying environment for their whole lives with angelic help. Nothing is impossible for the angels to do, should it be wished by God. The relationship of the physical with the spiritual is perfect and very fluid, and so all things on the physical can be readily influenced by the spiritual. However all such influences are governed by laws, so the mind spirits can’t do all they might want to do concerning interfering with people on Earth. Your angels also gave you certain thoughts and insights, along with your Indwelling Spirit and ourselves. There is a constant stream of inspiration flowing to you as you move along in your feeling acceptance. And that will be the same for everyone who does their healing. A great deal goes on with you on the unseen levels of reality, and all the more so as you start to actively advance your soul in truth through your healing. You are constantly being attended to by angels, nature spirits, and other higher spirits, as well as your Indwelling Spirit - Bob as you call it. Roughly it’s about fifty-fifty currently, half your thoughts, ideas and inspiration being generated by your own mind, with the other half by everyone else. Mankind is not meant to exist wholly alone. You go through times during the day when it’s more your own mind, but when you’re full-on actively expressing your feelings looking to uncover the truth, and when the truth starts to come, all that added intensity and energy you can feel is coming about because of the unseen activity of all who are involved with you from spirit. And it’s the same for Marion, as it will be the same for everyone as they start to liberate the truth within them through their feelings.
And at night too, or is that all the work of Bob.
Yes, your dreams are also influenced by unseen personalities, but mostly orchestrated by your Indwelling Spirit - Bob. Bob sets the scene so to speak, and should any needed inner adjustments be required whilst you’re asleep, the angels will mostly carry them out.
Do you and Jesus also give me understanding, insights, inspiration and revelation when I’m not actively communicating with you?
No, only when we’re consciously engaged with you. All the others with you do that. You have bands of spirits together with hosts of angels that are there to assist you, all happening at different times depending on what you’re going through. And whilst you’re in your negative state working your way out of it, you are being assisted minimally compared to how it will be when you’ve fully healed it. So all this work you are doing currently in your familiarising yourself with us in our communications will help you when you’ve healed yourself.
So really the angels currently mostly help with inner adjustments to my bodies, physical and spiritual - and all the subtle inbetween ones, as required by my soul, and give me the insights I need to help me understand all I’m going through.
Yes. And sometimes they work with the nature spirits advising them and so providing you with the nature experiences you also require, however as you’re not having much directly to do with nature currently, there’s not much they are doing there other than helping you feel and understand your relationship with nature as you grow and evolve. When you had your face-to-face encounter with the large brown snake at the Fishing Park, that was all angelic and nature spirit coordinated. They kept the snake there without it feeling frightened long enough for you to feel the full impact of the experience, and they also prevented it from harming you. Nature, and so the creatures, are really just another type of angel and nature spirit, that being, a lower one, of lower order, but of the same mind creation category. So when you are with the creatures in any way, your pets included, it is like you are with a very minor angel. The creatures move to form the nature spirits upon their death on the Earth, who in turn move into forming a certain order of angels once they’ve completed their work as nature spirits.
Yes, Verna has told me about that.
So nature being distant cousins as it were of the angels and nature spirits are very amenable to the influences of the higher orders of Mind creation. So in all humanity’s personal involvements with creatures and nature, such as with your pets, farm and wild animals, there will be nature spirits present overseeing all that needs to be done, who in turn will be overseen by higher angels. All the incredible things animals do, such as dogs and cats finding their way home covering great distance, is all done with the aid of the nature spirits and angels. And as Verna has told you, as humanity starts to heal itself in earnest, there will be people who are doing, and will have done, their healing, who will start to make contact with the nature spirits all so as to help humanity understand how it is meant to live with nature, all with a perfect and true state of mind and will. But such help will only come to those people who are doing their healing or have finished it, because they will be responsible with the information they are told, not wanting to use it to further their evilness and so add further to the destruction of Earth and mankind upon it. And as Verna has helped you to understand James, the nature spirits are far more than just little cute fairies at the bottom of your garden.
Yes, I’ve finally been able to remove that childish idea of them from my mind.
All because people have removed themselves from their true spiritual connection with nature. Your true spiritual connection with nature doesn’t come from hugging trees, it comes through your feelings and in relationship with the spiritual custodians of planet Earth - the nature spirits. And until humanity moves to develop its relationship with the nature spirits, it will not understand how it can live in-tune with nature. And you will never understand whilst you’re living in your negative states, because you are doing all you can to reject and deny any help the nature spirits and angels might give you.
So even the primitive people and the aborigines for example here in Australia didn’t have the sort of relationship with nature that they could have had.
All native people are still subject to living in their negative states, so as much as they might believe they are in tune with nature, they are denying it. Their relationships with nature are only a mere fraction of what people will have once they do their healing and start to re-establish contact with nature spirits and their attending angelic helpers. You reject all such help in your evilness, so every spirit personality that can help you keeps its distance doing for you only what you need to do so as to keep you advancing your negative state. But as soon as you begin your healing, all that changes as you’re changing, as you’re starting to have a true relationship with yourself, and so will you with everything else.
As I’m tired now Mary, and we’ve got to get up at 4.30 tomorrow morning so we can be in Berwick to pick up the car early, I’ll stop.
Speak to you soon James. Bye now. Mary M.
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Post by James on Feb 8, 2014 11:08:00 GMT 10
67. Starseeds, and the next dimensional level 18 October 2013
Jesus, if you wouldn’t mind, I’d like to go over some of what I’ve been reading lately concerning the supposed involvement of higher beings on our world: aliens, people being starseeds, and a supposed dimensional shift and change in consciousness soon to happen.
What you would like to know about it James?
What is the mind-set of such people who make all this stuff up?
As you understand, it’s all coming from the mind spirits.
Yes, but why such a heavy influence on beings from other worlds all wanting to come to Earth because of this amazing time we’re supposedly in, these superior beings apparently wanting to incarnate here; and then the other side of it, with them just landing or appearing as aliens all supposedly in cohoots with various governments.
Because such people on Earth who are ‘receiving’ such ‘messages’ and information - if they are not making it up, don’t understand how the mansion worlds are constructed, what they exist for, and that all mankind upon death goes into them, there to either stay confined to the mind worlds, with many awaiting their reincarnation on Earth which will never happen as there is no such thing; or those wanting to uncover the truth of themselves and who also long for the Divine Love moving into the healing worlds. So these people have to believe they are being ‘guided’ or instructed by beings from other material worlds or other worlds that are somehow in other dimensions, which really are just the mansion worlds. It’s all a few steps along from Spiritualists who try to prove there is life after death through visitations and communication with spirits in the mansion worlds. But such things become boring after a time, and it all sounds much more impressive speaking about inter-dimensional beings, ascended masters, aliens, Nephilim and Anunnaki, Reptiles and the like. It all makes ‘good copy’ you might say, and judging by the numbers of people willing to believe it all, it’s only going to get more intense, with the mind spirits seeing they are on a good thing.
But it has nothing to do with the truth.
No, and that’s the point. The mind spirits want power over people on Earth, they want some sort of influence and it doesn’t matter how they get it; and so, ‘aliens sell’. The notion of some alien race secretly controlling mankind is very appealing for a lot of people because it makes them feel scared, awed, and gives them hope that if the good aliens win out over the bad, then they will be looked after - rewarded, and so carried off into some higher dimension to reap the rewards because they were a believer, they had faith, they had adjusted their mind to the correct frequency of being of ‘Service to Others’ and not of ‘Service to Self’ - which you understand is all nonsense.
It’s almost like a religion of sorts and it seems to be reaching fever pitch, with many people so I read believing the great day when the government - American mostly, removes the veil and all is revealed; how aliens have been here with us advising the top governments of the world - of America, and have a plan involving the salvation and resurrection of humanity... or the aliens are going to invade and we’ve got to be ready... or the governments are going to simulate an alien invasion so as to enforce more of their hidden agenda... or, and on it goes. Every day more gets added to it, and half of it contradicts itself, and the other half seems too way out and far fetched; and to me, none of it makes any sense. The only part I do think might have something in is that there does seem to be strange objects flying around all over the place, huge ones near the sun, other tiny ones about Earth, and all other shapes, sizes and colours in-between.
Most of which are made up my people or the mind spirits. There are a few genuine UFO’s James, but very few, and the people in them from other human worlds as they are, have to comply strictly with the terms of Earth’s quarantine on all levels: physical and spiritual, so keep their distance and DO NOT interfere with you at all, not even for the so-called betterment of mankind. And you can see that all that’s put forward as being something that’s good for humanity is only yet more mind control, which only serves to keep you all bound up in your negative states. None of these so-called ascended masters or archangels, beings of light or aliens, talk about people having to healing themselves of their negative state through ongoing feeling acceptance and doing the hard psychological work you and Marion are doing.
No, it all seems the opposite, all the usual, apply our mind to become more loving and unconditional and you will raise your vibration and attain Christ-consciousness when the big day comes; which by the way, was to have happened back in the seventies, but humanity did something that changed it to the eighties, and since then the date keeps changing as humanity has ‘free will to collectively’ do so.
All of which as you know James is untrue and will amount to nothing. The years will come and go, their stories become more elaborate, seeming to offer the Way Out of the darkness and into the light, but such people will see that light upon their deaths, reawakening in the first mansion world, all just a natural phenomenon and that which happens to everyone, not to the select few, the supposed chosen starseeds who have ‘risen above’ the lower vibrational levels.
I could imagine some of the mind spirits getting a kick out of it, seeing how far they can spin the web for people to get all caught up in.
Yes, some do James, although others are very serious about it, believing it themselves, that they are ascending too and will also move up a dimensional level or two when ‘the shift of consciousness’ happens. But as usual, they don’t have a clue about what’s really going on because they are not wanting to live true themselves. They are wanting to fill their minds full of controlling beliefs all in the mistaken belief they are living the right way. But that way and all ways in the negative couldn’t be more wrong. It’s all just more bad feeling avoidance James, nothing more, just another manifestation of it, which this time in humanity’s grow will be remembered as displaying the greatest number of such scheming untruth religions, spiritual systems and false beliefs.
Well in their untruth they sure seem to think something big is about to happen - IT, is about to happen, their big awakening and shift to a higher level. And the religious people believe you or their beloved master is coming to set them free.
Yes, the mind spirits can sense the increasing spiritual light about their worlds and Earth, however as they don’t and can’t have any idea about what it is really about, being shut off from such truth within themselves, so they have to rely on their minds to make it all up.
Well thank you Jesus, it was good to go over it once again.
Any time James, Mary and I are here.
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Post by James on Feb 8, 2014 11:12:05 GMT 10
68. Mum is the MOTHER and I too am God! Saturday October 19 2013
Mary, my feelings led me around all over the place this morning, all to eventually understanding that mum believed in some way, which I don’t understand, but leaving me with the impression, that she is God, that being, the Mother - Heavenly Mother. And that she is perfect, she was the BEST and ONLY Mother, and no other mothers were a patch on her. And that there was absolutely no point in my even bothering to look at anyone else - presumably any other mothers. And that be fiat of her being the Mother, so I am of course, loved, and loved to completion with me never possibly having any feelings otherwise. And that she provided me with Paradise, all around me was all I needed and would ever need, including her great and glorious self when I was in her womb. So there is nothing else for me in life, it will not give me anything more, and only less, than what she gave me - gives me. And so I am not to even bother trying to assert myself, I am to just be happy, lucky, and eternally grateful that I have her as my - the - MOTHER. And I can feel because of that, I grew up with a mass of feelings I had no idea about, but what have now revealed themselves to be what I’ve just said, and so there is no point my even wanting to be close to and at-one with God, as in my Heavenly Mother, because mum is even more powerful and bigger than Her. So mum has completely put herself in the way of my true Heavenly Mother, causing me no end of problems.
Yes James, and it’s very important that you fully acknowledge such feelings, as vague and as difficult as it might be to do.
I would have had no idea that this is part of my relationship with mum had it not been for these feelings. And I would have disputed such things within myself only that it all does add up. Knowing myself better now, it all does make sense, it all fitting in being more of the puzzle that is myself, that which I’m struggling to work out. So mum is God, the Mother, and behind her, more a fantasy of hers than a reality, is dad, the Father, but the trouble was, neither of them actually did anything in a loving demonstrative way to make me feel loved by them. They completely failed as false gods.
It’s only because they were untrue and so completely held captive by their own minds that secretly, even unbeknownst to themselves, they believe they are God, and standing in the place of God as your Heavenly Mother and Father in your relationship with Them. So you were not free to develop your own personal relationship with God, for how could you with such heavy interference from your own parents who were pretending to be and were presenting themselves as - God. Had your parents been loving, they would not have made you relate to them as Gods, and you’d have kept your relationship in perspective, whilst you readily evolved your relationship with our true Heavenly Parents. Had your parents truly loved you, you’d have grown up feeling you’re the child of your truly loving Mother and Father.
Yes, I see what you mean. So love keeps its all in perspective.
Because loves greatest attribute, its primary one after its light, is truth. And so it’s the truth that keeps it all in perspective, not allowing the mind to dissociate from feelings, going off on its own merry way believing whatever it wants to. And it’s because of this that we stress looking to your feelings to uncover your truth - the truth of them, the truth of yourself, because that then stops the disconnection of your mind from your feelings. And as you gradually do this, so you are bringing the true you back out into being, and so you are gradually seeing your parents for what they are, and how their minds have interfered with you; and so God, your true Mother and Father are able to come into the right perspective for you, your relationship with them becoming truer, as it becomes truer with yourself.
So all those people, myself included, who believe in God so strongly, and feeling they are at-one with the Father or God in some way and are living His will; and praying and longing for His Divine Love, are really just using their love for God, and the great love they feel God loves them with, to cover over or block out their parents intrusion in their relationship with God.
Yes. Being of your negative and so evil states, no one has a true relationship with God, you can’t do it, no matter how much you might feel you love God or are loved by God, or how much Divine Love you think you might have received in your soul. Your parents are your Gods, and that’s what you have to first deal with and completely understand, which your healing will lead you to do. Anything else is as you say, jumping over - or at least trying to jump over, as you can’t actually do it - your parents who are blocking your way to God. So the true way to God is through or via your own parents, you having first to understand just what their relationship is with you, it being what their relationship with God is.
Yes, so in mum and dads case, they are having an unloving and untrue relationship with me and so are having it with God, as shown by their unconsciously believing they are God.
Yes, and because of that so you too then grow up thinking you are God as well, as you are only following their lead, and so were you to have children James, you’d be unconsciously parenting them as if you were God, so they’d come to the same conclusion about you as you are about your parents were they to do their healing.
And the same conclusion mum and dad will come to about their parents if they do their healing.
Yes.
So we’re all imposter or pretend false gods, thinking we’re better and greater than the real Mother and Father.
Yes.
And so all the anger I’ve had at God - at the Mother and Father, is really at my false gods, mum and dad, for they’ve not given me the love I need, the love they said they did give me, all because there are god.
Yes. They make promises to you, and you pick up on them all as a forming person within their ‘Creation’; they telling you, that if you are like them, then you too will be as they are - true, perfect and living in paradise. But it’s all lies, that which you come to see as you do your healing, and so rightly you feel very angry about it all.
Yes, as you said, that was very strong this morning too, that mum in some way is Paradise, and all she creates, is paradise, even including myself. So I’m a part of paradise, albeit a part of her paradise, and so because of that I should be eternally happy, without a problem, being as happy as I’d be were I in Paradise.
Yes.
This all made me feel how fortunate we are having The Urantia Books papers on Paradise, and that I’ll add them to my list of need to read, because we all, so I would imagine, have to in some way deal with our parents being the gods and how that’s interfering with our relationship of our true Parents and Their Home: Paradise.
It is important James that people understand that Paradise is the Home of God, and it’s not just something in heaven that sounds nice. That the ascending souls journey starts on Earth, on a physical planet, then ascends Creation to its First Centre and Source - Paradise, this being the ‘Earth’ of the Mother and Father - Their Home; and there where you will meet Them, all to confirm that indeed They are real and are your true loving Heavenly and Paradise Parents.
I’m slowly coming to see how we are to ‘create’ our own inner paradise, in that our soul is paradise in a sense, and that if we can live true to ourselves, then we can be our own paradise not needing to look to the outside for it. So feeling the love of ourselves, from our own soul, and then being able to live in any dark hole, in any un-paradise situation or place yet whilst still feeling unseparated from our own inner beauty, truth and goodness.
Yes, just as it was for Jesus and myself. We felt those inner feelings all the time, so it didn’t matter what horrors we saw on Earth or what horrors we were subjected to, for nothing could remove our inner paradise, our inner feelings of being connected with our true self - our soul, and the Creators of our Soul, our Mother and Father.
So Mary, you personifying the Paradise and Heavenly Mother, did you feel - do you feel, that you are sort of like the Mother, or very close to Her, or of Her... or what?
I feel I am Her child - Daughter; and being her perfect child, I am perfect as She is Perfect. I don’t feel I am God, She is always there a very real and alive presence and dynamic personality, as is the Father. And Jesus feels he is the Son of our Father and Mother, as I feel I am the Daughter of Them. We Creator pairs share the unique feeling of feeling we’re the first Son and Daughter of God, the first child of God who is a man and woman, not to be compared with the Eternal Son and Infinite Daughter Spirit who are the first Son and Daughter of the Mother and Father yet are themselves Gods. Jesus and I are not Gods, or even gods, we’re just like you in that we are all children of God.
So you and Jesus by feeling you’re the first children as it were, feel all Creation you’re involved with, springs from you.
Yes, as in all Nebadon being our own creation as you say, but all on the truth side of it, with the mind side being brought into being in conjunction with the Divine Minister.
I’m going to leave it there Mary, I have to write other things elsewhere.
By all means James, speak to you soon.
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Post by James on Mar 27, 2014 20:40:50 GMT 10
69. Problems with radiation; problems with feeling-denial. Sunday, 20 October 2013
Mary, what’s going to happen with the problems in Japan concerning the Fukushima radiation? It’s been leaking into the ocean and as to the extent of the problems it seems like no one is telling the truth, and it only can get worse from what I read, with the authorities trying to hide the extent of the problems.
It is going to get worse James, much worse, and so much so that it’s going to affect everyone on the world.
You mean through radiation.
Not necessarily, but the whole world will change because of it, with some people being greatly affected by the radiation, but most on a psychological level. I can’t say more at this point, however things are only just beginning to get bad, and there are a lot of bad things that are going to happen, all of mankind’s own doing.
But what will happen with it - all the radiation, as it’s hardly going to just magically disappear.
Again I can’t tell you James, you’ll have to wait and see, too much is at stake for me to reveal such information now, it would be too soon and have undesired consequences. It’s not for Jesus or I to contribute to humanity’s evilness by saying such things at this time. It’s all tied into the coming of the next spiritual age, of which we’ve talked a little about.
So all the bad things, all that’s breaking down, is part of what’s preparing humanity for the next age?
Yes, but preparing it in ways it has as yet no idea of. None of what’s been prophesied by old or new religions or spiritual systems has any true idea of what’s actually going to transpire. And again I’m speaking about it on a psychological level. No one has any idea because no one is meant to have any idea, it’s all going to be a: Revelation, to say the least.
If Fukushima or anything like it gets worse, it seems like it could be the end of life on the world. It would only take another large earthquake or two where such nuclear power stations are and it would be all over.
Yes, however life on Earth is not going to end, not in the near future at least. Eventually life will naturally run its course on the planet, but not for a long time yet. In the meantime, this has to get very bad so humanity does understand that it’s going the wrong way, against itself, nature and God. And by just believing in the bible and looking to Jesus to return or even praying to God for the Holy Spirit to come and fill your soul with the Divine Love, is not doing the right thing. The right thing, should someone want to do it, is to decide to live true to their soul by doing their feeling- or soul-healing as we’ve talked about. There is no other way.
You’ve told me the angels can manipulate any part of our physical system, is it the same for the planet, could they in fact heal it, should God instruct them to do so.
Yes, very easily and in a flash should it be the desire of the Mother and Father. Anything in the physical universe can be changed by those of higher spiritual understanding such as the higher Super-angels for example.
And what about those people who believe they are of higher spiritual understanding with their fifth dimensional stuff, altering their mind and beliefs in preparation for the great spiritual shift into the next dimension or one even higher.
They are only deluding themselves James as that’s not living with higher spiritual understanding, that’s only adding a few more beliefs to your already overcrowded erroneous belief system. The higher spiritual understanding I am talking about would only begin were one fully healed of ones negative state, for whilst you are of your evilness you are of a lower spiritual state and doing all you can do deny the truth of your soul by denying so many of your feelings their expression.
Is it possible that people could themselves affect such miraculous healing of people and the planet having first healed themselves of their negative state.
In theory yes, anything is possible when you are true and perfect, you could be an instrument guided by God through your feelings to undertake such work. However you would have to be of a Celestial level of truth.
So presumably the angels you spoke about would work through such people.
Yes, and they’d organise lesser angels, or ones closer to you to carry out the actual work, all through their designated person. The more that happens personally with people the better, however at times the angels are called upon to act on Earth by themselves - without any people involved.
So anything’s possible Mary.
Yes. Anything. And more than people could imagine. Humanity is living very far from the truth of its real nature, of how it would be were it true and of a positive mind and will. Jesus only gave you a very small taste of what might be possible, but that was hardly even the tip of the iceberg. A truly spiritual - Celestial - humanity, no longer evil, no longer denying itself, would be something to behold, something you’d marvel at, something you couldn’t even begin to imagine in your truth-denying states. And mankind will get there one day, but first things first. You have to conclude Jesus’ and my age, and so you have to express your complete denial of self, nature, myself and Jesus and the Mother and Father, the complete denial of truth - of all things true. This being the ‘Completion’ of the Rebellion and Default. It being what you and Marion are trying to ‘complete’ within yourselves, it being what everyone who does their healing will try and complete, all whilst uncovering the truth of their complete evilness.
So is what you’re saying like we have to reach a peak in our evilness before we can then start to come off it and heal ourselves - which is suppose is rather obvious.
Yes. And it’s the same in everyone’s personal lives, you reach that completion point, where you are fully expressing your evilness as much as you can, then you start to wake up to the truth that you are living this way. Your healing James is you waking up, it’s all part of what you could call your completion. You are seeing just how evil you are, how evil you’ve been, and so through your feelings choosing to no longer be that way. But there’s a lot to see. And so too will there be a lot for humanity to collectively see; so the evil will peak and start to lose its hold, but it will be a long time before humanity collectively heals itself of it. But the start of this next age will signal the peak of evilness, and the end and completion of Jesus’ and my age, and the beginning of the true healing, so coming down off that peak. The true healing being achieved as people heal themselves through their feeling-acceptance. And all this is on inner levels, being expressed outwardly. And so as people change their inner self through their healing, they will then start to express themselves outwardly in a truer way. And that’s how humanity will really change. And so for that to happen, there is going to be a huge upsurge of discontent, much suppressed hatred, anger and rage is going to be vented, and things will change.
Humanity will start to break out of its cage.
Yes, but as I said, not in ways that are to be expected. A lot of what is expected will happen as well, but there will be many other consequences, all that will prepare humanity for the changing of the spiritual age.
And so all our getting closer to each other through the Internet, all knowing what’s going on everywhere, or trying to know, is all part of how we’re all going to be affecting each other.
Yes, as well as lessening the controlling influences by those in power. Those in power are going to feel increasingly desperate when they start to lose their power, when the systems they’ve created start to fail, when no one wants to do as they say anymore. There are major shifts in power happening even now, both on Earth and in the controlling mind spirit realms. There are a lot of power groups starting to feel things are slipping from their control so they are becoming more reckless and so will make mistakes exposing themselves. More and more people are becoming fed up with the authorities, and the authorities are feeling they are losing their grip. And it’s only just beginning. Things are beginning to come to a head. Those people looking for change won’t be disappointed, however should they expect minor adjustments to take place and then things will get back to being ‘normal’, they will be disappointed. They will not get back to normal - how they have been, those days are coming to an end. Faster in some places than in others, but a lot of psychological adjustments are going to have to be made.
So they won’t be able to simply scrap the system as it is now, impose another, and we all live happily ever after.
No, humanity is becoming too big for itself, the systems in place are becoming outdated, technology is moving on too quickly, and many people are beginning to want a different type of life. To grow up being told life is one way, and if you work hard, have your house and other toys, save for your old age, things will be good, only to find you are worse off in your old age then when you were starting out; or that you can’t even start out, the dream no longer being something to chase and make real, you start to question yourself more deeply, taking more notice of your feelings - you start to wake up. And all of this is good, only it won’t feel like it’s good, having been conditioned to not think for yourself about the quality of life that really would suit you. You are so heavily controlled right from conception, being forced to accept it, only to then impose such control on your own children. And to start to have your reality interfered with - imposed upon, shown up for what it is, seeing it’s not good after all, is psychically very threatening, stirring up a lot of unwanted feelings. All of which is just perfect should you want to use those feelings to uncover the truth of yourself. And if you don’t, then it will be hard, very hard, and only get harder. And for those people who do their healing, nothing will be harder than what’s already happened to them through their forming years... and what’s still unconsciously happening to them.
Thank you Mary.
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Post by James on Mar 29, 2014 16:25:47 GMT 10
70. God is Hate Sunday, 20 October 2013
Hello Mary and Jesus, Marion’s done it again, taking us both deeper into understanding what it’s all about. She was feeling again how bad she feels, how unloved and hated by everyone and everything - her parents - and how, because of that, she hates herself, her life and God. And the further she went speaking about how much she hated the Father for doing it all to her, for giving her such a shit life, always feeling bad about herself, hating the sight of herself, hating being unable to be with other people without thinking they hate her, the more true to her feelings of hating God she became. That was all day yesterday, building up her hatred of the Father as the day progressed, being furious with Him, and feeling so bad that He doesn’t love her, by the time she went to bed. Then in the morning talking about how much she feels God hates her and how much she hates Him, how she felt so true to her feelings, more true to these feelings of hatred than the other times she’s felt and expressed them, all of which then made me see that really that is what it’s all about, that in our unloved and negative states we feel hated and can only hate. Because being evil and so anti love, all we’ve got left is hate. And so that’s how we will all relate to God should we be true to our feelings; and I can feel in my feelings, being angry with and hating God, and feeling God hates me, as I was expressing today. And then I thought that really we should be declaring that GOD IS HATE, not God is Love, for that’s the truth of our anti love lives.
Jesus: Yes James, you are right in all that you’re saying and feeling. You would declare were you true to your evilness, that God is not love, but hate, because you don’t feel loved by God as you said. And because you feel so bad, that you even feel hated by God.
And by your coming Jesus and declaring that God is Love, you’ve made it all the more difficult for us.
True, I did. And as you saw today for yourself, humanity has taken what I said and used that to deny its true feelings of feeling unloved and hated by God. As you have done personally James.
Yes, and all because surely if God did love us, if God was our loving Parents, the Mother and Father would not subject us to such cruelty, as loving parents would love their children and not be mean and cruel to them, not reject them and treat them badly. But it’s so hard to fathom, for on the one hand I feel the Mother and Father do love me and I love Them. And yet on the other, I feel I hate Them and I’m hated by Them, because if They really did love me, They’d not be making me feel so bad and unloved. But in my feelings when I’m feeling very bad and fucked-off with everything, I hate myself, my life, the Mother and Father for making me feel so bad - I hate everyone and everything.
And as Mary has stressed all the way along, such bad feelings have to come out, you have to be true to them and so express them, because they are in you, they are real; and so in these feelings it’s true how you feel: that you hate Them and are hated by Them. And that’s what you’ve got to fully accept and honour and be true to - as it is the truth, part of the truth of your negative state. So whilst you’re focused in this part of yourself, then forget about any feelings of love you might have for Them or They for you, because you won’t feel them - as in this state you don’t feel loved or loving. And it’s just about staying true to your feelings and liberating all you feel, all that you’ve kept hidden within yourself. And as the truth comes and you progress in your healing, so your relationship with yourself and God will change. And you will oscillate between feeling loved by Them and not feeling loved by Them, and you will hate Them and love Them, just as you will also feel the same emotions and feelings about yourself. But you are to just go with all you feel, keeping your mind and what you think or believe you should feel out of it, just FEEL what you FEEL and keep expressing such feelings and longing for the truth of them. When you feel hate fully go with that feeling, when you feel love, fully go with that feeling. And always longing for the truth of such feelings.
So now I feel Jesus that you are a million miles from us with a huge crevasse between us. You are true and perfect, and being in such a positive mind and will, do feel loved by God, and you love God. Yet for us in our negative mind and will and untrue states, we don’t feel loved by anyone, and hated by all - including God. Even though we mostly tell ourselves and each other the opposite.
Yes. Evil being no-love is the opposite to all that love is. So being of no-love you can’t love or feel loved, and you only feel hated and can hate. However you can use your minds to convince yourselves that you don’t hate and do love.
So in those unloved parts of us, that’s how we’ll feel.
Yes, even those people who feel loved and love all. It’s still the same for them as they will see should they want to do their healing. They too will have to face the truth that their feelings of love are coming from their minds and not from their truth, because they are living in an anti-truth way, so are living denying the truth of themselves, so can’t truly love.
But it’s so difficult because those people love each other, their family and friends, and I’m sure they don’t feel hated by God and wouldn’t hate God, they feel full of love.
But such people are not wanting to uncover the whole truth of themselves, and were they to, then such love they feel for themselves, nature, everyone else and God would go, gradually it would fade away as they started to honour and accept and express all their bad feelings seeking the truth of them. They might still feel the love they feel for themselves, nature other people and God is real and true, however it will be moved to the background whilst they focus on the parts of themselves that doesn’t feel loved. Not all people will just feel bad all day long James, like you and Marion so often do, they will feel good and loved for they have experienced more such feelings than you both have, however still when the pressure is on and they are focusing on their bad feelings, they will also have to deal with their hatred of God as they hate themselves, and feelings of feeling hated by God, as they felt hated by their parents. And as no one on the world is living true to themselves, so even the people who feel the most loved and are the most loving will still have parts within themselves in which they don’t feel love or loved and instead feel hated and hate. It’s not until you are fully healed that you will know all such dark places within you gone, that you are truly full of the light of truth and so will truly love and feel completely loved.
Marion feels she was loved to a minor degree by her Granny when she was young, whereas in comparison she feels her parents only hated her, they never making her feel wanted or loved by them. But her Granny’s love has faded and is pushed into the background, as you said, the more she brings up and focuses on her bad feelings of feeling unloved and hated. My so-called love I felt for and from my parents has completely gone, I now see it for being as false as it was. I still have a slight fondness for dad, but that’s fading more now, and nothing for mum and Gran.
Marion’s love was slightly more true than what your feelings of love were, but even Marion’s Granny’s love is within her overall unloving and feeling rejected and unwanted state. And along with the little of her Granny’s love is the love of God she had as well, but it too has been moved into the background whilst she’s had to accept, express and uncover the truth of her hated for God and feeling hated by Him.
So for those people who say they love deeply their parents and God and feel loved by them, should they want to uncover the truth of such love, and do their healing, then that love will be pushed into the background with them conceivably even feeling they hate God and feel hated by God and the same with their parents, as they focus only on the bad feeling parts of themselves.
Yes.
And then for those people who already hate God, presumably they will have to still uncover the truth of why they hate God.
Yes, and some people may even discover they don’t actually hate God as much as they believe they do, once they’ve expressed all their hatred out of themselves and found the truth of it.
Which I imagine will happen to us once we’ve finished our healing, we then being as you and Mary are.
Yes. You only don’t love and feel hate because you were prevented from loving and expressing such feelings through your forming years. And such patterns have become strong platforms of unloving belief and negative behaviour within you, and it all has to be brought out. And when it is all out, then you’ll be as Mary and I am - all loving, true and perfect.
It’s all so confusing Jesus.
I know James, but you’re getting there. And as you know, there’s a lot to understand, and most of it is contrary to what you’ve been made to believe.
So within our evilness, we can only conclude, irrespective of how much love we might feel, that God is Hate, that God hates us, doesn’t love us, and for reasons we don’t understand.
Yes, it being the truth of your evilness, that is what you have to see - feel.
And having said that, that reminds me of my parents, and that’s what my healing is all about, accepting the truth that my parents didn’t love me, hated me, and told me all the crap about them loving me. And even though it’s God I hate and feel unloved by currently, it is really my parents, they interfering with my true relationship with God. And if I look at all my hated being actually only to do with my parents and it not really being to do with God, then I have to say that I don’t in fact know how I feel about God because my parents have always been in the way of my relationship with God. And that applies to us all no matter what our relationship with God is - our parents have interfered with it.
Yes. Your parents only pretended to love you, when they didn’t feel such feelings truly. They were the gods who controlled all love, but they didn’t love you or allow you to express your love for them. So you readily project your relationships - or ones you fantasise you have - with your parents, onto God.
Alright, I’ll have to come back to that about my parents later, I’m too tired now. But before I go I wanted to say that the Lucifer’s must have felt unloved by God, that being why they rebelled, and must have hated God for not loving them, for not making them feel loved.
Yes, that’s how they felt, only instead of admitting that and expressing it to seek the truth of why they felt such bad feelings, they pushed such unwanted feelings aside (so turned their backs on themselves and stopped loving themselves by being untrue to their feelings) by telling themselves they didn’t want the Mother and Father’s love, they were fine and more than capable of getting all the love they wanted by other means. They pretended they didn’t want to be dependent on an unseen Mother and Father, so turned their backs on Them, all so as not to show any feelings of weakness, those they wrongly believed they would have shown had they admitted they weren’t feeling loved as they believed they should feel. So their universal corruption was setting about getting that love form elsewhere (which really came down to trying to get it from their own minds). So they enslaved all those who they appealed to, making other spirits, people and angels turn against themselves all with the promise of taking matters into ones own hands and out of the hands of God; and by doing so, being hugely rewarded, supposedly with more love than God ever gave them.
So they made God into being the angry, vengeful, malicious, wrathful God one had to obey or else...
Yes, whilst putting themselves in God’s place. They said, worship us instead of God and we’ll give you all you want - all that love, and all your ‘Freedom’; or help you get it for yourself.
So they made us fear God, yet also helping us to believe God was all-loving and actually did love us, but only if we were good and did as we were told. And if we didn’t, we’d be punished by this all-loving God. Some love. Just how my parents treated me.
So you were made to worship a false God, and so you believe God loves you as you do your prayers and be a good person, but it’s only a fantasy God, just as doing your prayers and being the ‘good person’ is a fantasy. Because, how can you be good when you’re evil and bad.
So I’m back to: all I think love and good and being true is, is not at all those things, and is the opposite: being unloving, bad, and untrue.
Yes, which is how you are in your negative state.
So the Christian God and even the Mother and Father of the Divine Love to whom we can go and long for such love, are actually false god’s we’re praying and longing to.
Yes, ones in your mind, ones you’ve made up, ones you’ve been told about and so like the idea of. But not the true Gods of your Feelings, which you can ONLY start truly relating to once you’ve begun your healing in earnest. So you start out longing to your Mother and Father for Their Divine Love, but still you’re not truly relating to Them, because you can’t until you’re fully healed. However you’ve got to start somewhere. And with each healing step you take - each time you liberate more of your repressed feelings uncovering the truth of them, not only are relating more truly to yourself, but so too are you relating more truly to Them.
Yeah I see. So there’s the ‘God of mind’ and the ‘God of feelings’?
Yes, whilst your minds are in the controlling position you give your feelings over to them. Really there should only be the God of your feelings, with your mind augmenting such feelings and truth, however your minds you’ve turned against yourselves - or rather, you’ve turned your own minds against your true feelings.
I can see where those Christian people’s love of God is based on their beliefs in God, as that’s what they are always saying, and not based on the truth of their feelings.
And were they to do their healing, their false and erroneous beliefs would be challenged and then compromised and then discarded as they moved closer to their true self. They’d end up no longer being those sorts of Christians, as many have done through their healing in the Divine Love mansion worlds. They are no longer anything other than a person or spirit who wholly loves themselves and God because they are living true to themselves - which is how you will be once you finish your healing James.
Jesus, I’m sorry but I’m now too tired to go on. I can hardly think straight. I don’t even know if what I’ve written makes any sense. So I’ll stop now, read it through tomorrow and come back to you.
I’ll be here James.
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Post by James on Mar 30, 2014 21:27:30 GMT 10
71. New Divine Love World Religion Monday, 21 October 2013
Jesus, I know we’ve spoken about the new world religion, however it’s come up again, so if you wouldn’t mind, could we go over it again.
Not at all James, what would you like to know?
Understandably some people who are longing for the Divine Love think that is what the new world religion will consist of: everyone longing for the Love and living happily ever after with God; feeling very loving and full of love as their souls are brimming over with God’s Love. However there is nothing in this new Divine Love world religion that includes the healing of ones negative state by doing ones Soul-Healing; it, I would imagine such people would believe, consisting of people who’ve been miraculously healed simply because they are consciously partaking of the Divine Love, which many such people are still waiting for.
Which as you know, can’t and won’t happen. The True: New World Religion, will be The Religion of Truth, and it will be comprised of people who are doing or have done their feeling-healing. And for the next spiritual age, it will also include people doing, and who have done, their soul-healing; however once the Divine Love is withdrawn at the end of that age, then it will be made up of only people who’ve done or are doing their feeling-healing. And before the Divine Love is introduced again, everyone will have to be of this new ‘religion’ - which will just be the way of life, and not a religion in the way you understand them be; it will be simply everyone living true to their souls, expressing their feelings, and uncovering the truth of them, as they get on with daily life understanding it’s an ascension and evolution of truth.
So until everyone is living true and has healed their negative state, the Divine Love won’t be made available again after it’s been withdrawn.
That’s right, humanity is now to heal itself of its evilness, it’s just about gone as far as it can go in denying itself and living untrue. And for the next age, people and the mansion world spirits will still be able to do their feeling-healing with the Divine Love, so do their soul-healing; but after that, it’s all healing ones natural love expression with only ones natural love.
So the so-called ‘Divine Love movement’ is?
Just another fantasy James, nothing else. It’s just another experiential way of living against the Truth, developed by the minds of men and women who still chose to remain untrue to themselves but who are also consciously longing for the Divine Love. And whether you call it a spirituality or religion, it doesn’t matter, because if those people within it are not striving to do their healing, then it’s like all the other existing religions and spiritual systems, just products of minds with no substantial way of ascending in truth being offered by them. All just systems that will serve to keep the individual confined to the controlling beliefs of his or her own mind, and so, within ones negative state. The World Religion I am talking about, is the Religion of Truth - the Religion of Light, which means, soul-light, and that which can only be lived - expressed - as ones lives true to ones soul. And one can only do that by doing their healing and healing themselves of living untrue to their soul. There is no conclusive religion as such in Mary’s and my universe, I (we) am not of a specific religion, I don’t do any specific religious practices, I don’t even have any specific beliefs and so I will not teach or reveal any. However I live a ‘Way’, a Way of Life, which is a Way of Truth, that being what Mary and I have imparted to you, and it being a natural feeling accepting and expressing life; and if lived with the intention of wanting to see the whole truth of oneself, will have it revealed, all the while ensuring ones direct connection with ones soul is always maintained. And then added to that natural way of life, is the ongoing longing to be at-one with God, which is achieved by longing for God’s Divine Love. And Mary and I love our Mother and Father and feel loved by Them, with love flowing naturally between us. We don’t actually have to specifically keep longing for Their love so as to ensure we get it, we just love Them and that is our longing to be with Them expressed so They respond naturally loving us, and so Their love flows into our soul. But as you understand, you being not as yet perfect still have to make an effort of mind and will as you long for Their Love. Because your will and mind is structured (and will remain so until you’ve completed you healing) to rebel against and reject Them. So continual effort until you’ve finished your healing is needed to keep longing - until your mind gives over its control and you live with your feelings in command.
So Jesus, this Religion of Light, when does it actually start?
It has started, you and Marion have started it in your own lives and hearts. And it will start in everyone’s mind and heart when they become committed to uncovering the truth of themselves through their feelings. Officially - or Technically - it will start when the new spiritual age begins. But it won’t have a mental structure that people can join and become a clone of; it won’t have any churches or temples like those of today’s existing religions have; it won’t have any physical structure at all, and it won’t because it won’t have anything that people or the mind spirits can control. It will just be people united in the common understanding of what they are doing, how they are choosing to live, that being: true to themselves.
And will it have a name?
It could do, something people can readily identify with, but the main part about it is, as I said, it won’t have a controlling hierarchy, so no things like priests or teachers or people in designated positions of authority, because as people involved in it do their healing, they will be healing the need to control things, so they won’t want to control or be controlled. And humanity will have these past two thousand years to look back over so far as knowing what controlling religions and spiritual systems are all about. And of course such systems will still persist well into and for the duration and well beyond the next spiritual age. But they will diminish in their appeal and control as more and more people decide they want to heal themselves of being controllers and being controlled. For you understand James, even those people who are currently the main controllers on Earth, do not feel absolutely free in their power, they are still controlled within themselves and even outside by yet higher mind spirits.
Yes I understand that. Our only way out of it is by giving up our need to control.
Which you can only do by uncovering the truth of why you have such needs - which you can only do through your feelings.
So the religion of truth is really just living truth, the truth that comes from doing ones healing; which is really just the truth that comes from everyday expressing oneself: all one feels with the intention of knowing the truth of such feelings. And I know we’ve said it a million times, but it is a whole new way of living.
Yes James, it’s living: The Truth; so you become as Mary and I are: The Living Truth. But first you have to uncover it within yourself so you can live it, and not just hear about it and agree or try to live it through your mind. As young children you naturally express your feelings and grow in truth, however your parents interfere making you adopt ‘all the mind stuff’, all stopping your natural self and feeling expression. So really it’s all very simple, it couldn’t actually be any simpler, but as you’ve distorted and denied and turned yourselves against your own natural way of growing or evolving in truth, then you have no idea how to go about it. And all that most people consider growing in truth to be is not uncovering it for themselves through their own feelings with the full intention of becoming true to themselves. Certainly people might grow a little in truth from their feelings, as they express all they feel, however without the overall intention of becoming true and so setting yourself free of your evilness, you’ll only go so far, and it won’t be enough to let you out of the mansion worlds and into the universe proper.
Jesus, the worlds controllers, seem - from what I read, and if any of it is true - to be wanting to instigate in some way a one world religion as part of the New World Order.
Yes, which is a part of the natural conclusion to wanting to control everything. People need something to believe in whilst they in living against the truth, something they feel and believe they can aspire to be like, and of course something good. And they want to believe that by being good they are in God’s good books, so it makes sense were you wanting to control people to provide a system of beliefs - a religion if you like, that would keep them happy. Happy to do as you say. The religion of evil is how you all live, it’s your religion: you are all living the Religion of Evil, it being started by the Lucifers. And within it you break it up into different parts giving it different names, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, New Age and so on. But it’s all the same thing, all leading you further from yourself and keeping you untrue to your soul.
Yeah I see, the opposite to the Religion of Truth. Jesus, what about you calling James Padgett a brother in Christ - what did you mean by that? And how does the word Christ fit into this the Religion of Truth or Religion of Light?
It was just a word I used to help James feel more at ease with everything. There is as you know a lot of people who talk about the Christ Light, and Christ Consciousness, however really there is nothing in such terms, they mean nothing so far as one growing and evolving in truth. I willingly accepted the label ‘The Christ’, as it gave people something to relate to, and it sounded important, however I am not such a thing, I am myself, and if anything, simply: Jesus of Nebadon, that being how I would ideally like to be referred. And I would tolerate being called the Master Son or Creator Son if one needed such names; however really Jesus of Nebadon with the understanding of all that implies, of all that I am, is enough.
But ‘Jesus’, is not your soul name surely?
True, and so when you know my soul name, when it’s revealed to humanity, then you can use it. However, to answer that question in your mind James, it won’t be revealed until humanity has fully healed itself of its evilness. So until then, Jesus will suffice - just plain Jesus. And Mary’s the same. The light we carry in our soul is enough, it speaks for itself, and when you feel it or sense it or see it, when you are in our presence, then that light commands the necessary respect, which is simply one of higher truth, and that is all that needs to be said, for it’s all communicated in our light - in our presence. In our personality expression.
Yes, I understand what you’re saying. So us being all brothers and sisters in Christ?
You can call yourselves that if you wish, you can call yourselves anything you like, however I would ask you: Why are you wanting to label yourself, what does that do for you - how does it make you feel? And in expressing such feelings, it would be the truth that results that is what is important.
I know a lot of people say it wanting it to make them feel more special.
Yes, because they feel so ‘un-special’, unloved and powerless. You see James, Mary and I are who we are, it’s our soul, nothing more and nothing less. And sure, from your less of truth state on Earth it might all sound very impressive being a Creator Son or Creator Daughter, but it’s what we are, we can’t help it, it’s just as we’ve been created. And its nothing more special than being John or Joan or Zelda or Harry or Xianj or... anyone else, because you are all souls, and are all equally very special and very important to the workings of Creation. Creation would not be the same without you in it, we’re all of equal importance, only with different roles to play. And you are to look to Mary and I for help and truth, enough to get you going and heading in the right way to Paradise. But then you will move on past us through to the greater universe and we will be simply a pleasant memory. But we are not someone who is God, or someone to be worshipped, or even loved by the mind for that matter. We are two who are one soul who can offer some help to you should you be wanting to grow in truth and heal yourself of your evilness. And the fact that you are doing it all in our universe, that’s just a fact, and so that is how it is. And so accepting that fact, so we can all get on with it, and not worry about names and who is or who isn’t the Christ or a Christian and so on. And as you’ve seen within yourself James, as you progress in your healing, so you heal the need for all of that sort of thing - you start to grow up spiritually as you grow in truth. And no longer do you need to live in fear of God if you do the wrong thing, or in fear of myself or Mary should you cross us and not do as we say. You will grow out of, as you heal yourself, the terror and torment at the hands of your parents coming to understand what living with love is really all about, and not what people who have not as yet done their healing believe and think it’s all about. If you want to remain bound to your parents, then adhere to the tenets of your religion; if you want to set yourself free of your unloving negative state, then do your healing. That is what I would suggest.
Thank You Jesus.
Speak to you soon James. Jesus.
(Later...) Jesus what if the people wanted to use Divine Love Spirituality, which I made up, as the name for the Religion of Truth? And what if they wanted to get together and pray and discuss and learn and help each other with their healing in say a place like Paradise House, also what I’ve made up.
People are free to do as they please James. And they might wish to adopt the names you have labeled such things in your writing. Only within them, there won’t be the hierarchies of control like there are in your current religions and spiritual systems. There will of course be some people more advanced in truth - further on in their healing; and some even completely healed and so of a Celestial truth and light, however these people won’t control, they’ll simply be natural leaders that other people not so advanced will look to for help, support and encouragement.
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Post by James on Mar 31, 2014 20:53:37 GMT 10
72. The drawing power of the Spirits of Truth Tuesday, 22 October 2013
Jesus, because of the drawing power of yours and Mary’s Spirits of Truth, don’t the masses all come rushing up to you wherever you go?
No James, it doesn’t work like that. That would only be a phenomena of the wayward mind.
You mean like all of us on Earth, if you came back in person, you’d be swamped by adoring fans.
Yes, all people who were trying to project and live out their fantasies of Mary and I. However if we actually did come back to Earth during the so-called End Times, the reality would be that we’d be rejected just as we were the first time, with very few people actually believing and so accepting we were the real Mary and Jesus. We would be rejected again because we wouldn’t fit the Christian fantasy or any other fantasy, as such people are not wanting to live true to their souls. The Spirit of Truth is far more subtle than that. If you are longing to live true, so longing to ascend in truth and uncover the truth of yourself through your feelings, then you will naturally align yourself with Mary and myself, we being the universal well-spring of truth. So as you long for the truth you will draw to yourself our Spirits of Truth and these will act not unlike a tractor beam in your science fiction movies, helping guide you to the ‘source’ which is Mary’s and my soul, and so to us personally, so we can then help guide you on further to the real Source, the Soul of the Mother and Father, and to Them in Person on Paradise. By longing for the truth with all your heart, and by fully honouring your feelings as Mary and I have spoken about, so you will start to use our Spirits of Truth to guide you, so in your own personal way, you will tread the steps of truth growth, evolution and ascension, we trod; that being, as we woke up to the truth of ourselves on Earth, so too will you wake up to the truth of yourselves, be it on Earth or in the mansion worlds. So as we’ve told you, you won’t have the same experiences as us, but you will work your way up and in through the same will and mind circuits that we did, so in your own way you will come to the same truths we did. So by the time you are ready to leave Nebadon, you will have lived the same truths we lived as we re-awakened to the truth of ourselves through our bestowal lives on Earth. However, as we’ve also talked about, there is currently a big gulf between us and everyone on Earth, so as much as you might like to ‘lock onto our Spirits of Truth’, to have them ‘guide you home to Paradise’ you can’t, NOT UNTIL YOU’VE FULLY HEALED YOURSELVES OF YOUR EVILNESS. Not until you’ve completely stopped denying Mary and myself. And so you need the help of other Spirits of Truth, the soon to be released Avonal Spirits of Truth.
So what about all those people who feel very strongly about you and or Mary, who want to be with you, love you, feel you are with them in some way, want to give themselves completely to you.
It’s all in their mind James, all fantasy, all because they can’t use our Spirit of Truth but believe they can somehow be with us or call upon us. Mary’s and my Spirits of Truth will not become fully accessible until you’ve healed your self and feeling denying states irrespective of what people want to believe. So in the meantime you can feel we are helping you in the truths we have revealed, but you’ll not be aware of the action of our Spirits of Truth upon your soul because you are not wanting them to act, you are living not wanting our help, living in your negative states, that being what the Rebellion and Default is all about. And so at best you can gain access to us through the Avonal pair, and through what you are writing James, but other than that, people will have to wait until they’ve fully healed themselves at which time they’ll then experience a massive spiritual shift, a refocusing and realignment Paradise-wards, feeling more committed to their spiritual ascension. People if they embrace Mary and I can however prepare themselves by coming to the front door so to speak, but to be able to cross the threshold and truly begin to grow in truth, they will have to do their healing. And as they progress in their healing, so they will be opening that door within themselves to the truth of their soul, and so too will they be engaging and welcoming our Spirits of Truth into their heart.
So by doing our healing, we don’t really need to wait for the Avonal pair you’ve talked about as being here to help us.
That’s right, because that’s what the Avonal pair will be talking about. You will still need to embrace their Spirits of Truth to help you do and complete your healing, however by doing as we suggest, you are taking that step and even though you might not be personally aware of the Avonals, still you’ll be attended to by their Spirits of Truth, which will be made available to you before their official or technical release.
So anyone doing their feeling- or soul-healing as you and Mary talk about, will now also be attended to by these Avonals Spirits of Truth, even though the Avonal pair have not as yet completed their healing.
That’s right, they’ve done enough of their healing for their Spirits of Truth to be overshadowed by Mary’s and my Spirits of Truth, so as to enable anyone who embraces their healing to be helped by them. So such people will be able to readily feel our Spirits of Truth of helping them - comforting them, as well as possibly being aware of the additional help from the attending Avonal’s Spirits of Truth. And in time everyone will be guided (all those people sincerely seeking the truth of themselves through their feelings), because of the drawing power of the Spirits of Truth, to the Avonal’s Spirits of Truth and then onto our Spirits of Truth. Even if people come directly to us, still they will also at some point link up with the Avonal’s Spirits of Truth as they will need their help and comfort to get them right the way through their healing.
So people who want to do their healing now, can do, being helped by the Avonals through you and Mary.
Yes, that’s what it amounts to.
So really everything is ready for people to do their healing and for humanity to embark upon the next phase of its soul growth.
Yes.
And concerning the spiritual shift you mentioned, you mean a true spiritual shift, and one not to be confused with the shift so many people are talking about concerning a consciousness shift into a higher dimension.
That is merely fantasy, it’s as you say, a true spiritual shift, feeling you really are an integral part of Nebadon and Creation. You will have fused with your indwelling Spirit making you feel all the more closer to the Mother and Father, and you will feel the inner pull of our Spirits of Truth drawing you inward and upward to us. You whole being will be alive with it, and at first it will be very intense feelings, and you’ll know you’ve finished your healing and your evilness is once and for all over, and then you’ll feel ready to move onto the serious business of your ascension - what it’s all really about. And you’ll feel these feelings whether you complete your healing in spirit or in flesh. It will be a major highlight in your life and one you’ll never forget on your eternal journey. And best of all, IT WILL BE THE END OF YOUR PAIN. It will all be over, you will have healed - redeemed yourself, achieved a great deal, and will now be starting out on a whole new and true spiritual life feeling born anew. And as I’ve said, you’ll feel you really are a child of God, of Loving Parents, and you’ll feel ensconced in a loving universe and everything - all you’ve been through in your evilness, will make sense.
I can’t wait Jesus. However, going back to your souls drawing power, it doesn’t actually mean that you are drawing everyone to yourself and Mary, thereby meeting everyone who comes up through Nebadon.
No, not in person, as we can’t do that, there are too many people (spirits) from all the different worlds moving up through Nebadon for us to do that. We do it in an impersonal way, through truth, as I said, as you follow in our steps of truth revelation, so you are in a way getting to know us through that truth. You know the truths for yourself, and know we know them for ourselves, the same truths, so we are united in that way, and that’s what it’s all about. Mary and I are, if you like, meant to make sure each of you is fully prepared to enter into the greater universe for your continued ascent to Paradise. We are to provide all you need to ensure you can have all the experiences required by your soul so you can feel all the feelings you need to feel; so you can uncover and reveal all the truth to yourself that you need to reveal. So our Spirits of Truth just keep you on track so to speak, and together with the normal interaction between your soul and indwelling spirit all the truth you need to live will be given to you - all through yourself, all through your feelings. And as I said, once you are fully prepared through Nebadon, then you will be ready to move towards the Mother and Father who will meet you in person, for it’s true that in time you will know your Soul Parents are real and true, for you will meet Them Face-to-face, which is more like Soul-to-soul, it all being down however on the personality level, when you reach Paradise. So really your whole ascension is designed for your soul to bring you, one of its two personalities, into expression enough so you can have the full personality-to-Personality interaction with the Mother and Father on Paradise. So having the wondrous experience of being wholly united with your soul-mate and knowing forevermore you will be together as soul-mates, on Paradise you will meet the Original Soul-Pair, the Creators of your soul - your Parents.
Okay, I hadn’t fully understood that about what ascension is really about.
Yes, it’s the first leg of your eternal universal career, designed to bring you into being enough so as to know God is real and true, which you’ll know the truth of through your feelings on Paradise. Then you will move onto the next phase of your eternal universal career, the next phase of your personality expression. It’s all about, and will always be about, bringing more of yourself, more of your soul, more of your souls personality, out into Creation. Soul is seeking Expression of Personality in Creation, and by doing so, so Creation will be able to Know Soul - know the truth of Soul. And all being done through feelings and not just the mind.
‘Soul’ being God, our Heavenly Mother and Father.
Yes.
Jesus, you referred to God as being the real Source, and that reminded me that many people in what I’d call the New Age - I don’t know if they call themselves that now - the ‘Lightworkers’, refer to God as ‘Source’. For these people it’s about connecting with Source, God, even ‘quantum field’, so I read on the Internet, and I was wondering what your comments would be on this.
James, people can refer to God however they want, for as you read in The Urantia Book, God has not as yet revealed to us Their soul-names, so we are free to call our Parents whatever names we like. However the experience of Mary and myself of God is that They are our loving Parents, our Heavenly Mother and Father, and that we are Their child, so we relate to Them this way - child to Parents. And it’s why you start your lives in flesh with two parents, with your relationship ideally - were you parented by positive minded and willed parents, and so fully and truly loved - laying down the truth framework for your later evolving relationship with your Heavenly Parents, it being a natural progression from the parents you can see and touch and experience in flesh, to a higher spiritual connection though truth with your unseen and untouchable real Soul Parents. And so in keeping with what we were just talking about regarding Mary’s and my Spirits of Truth, should you seek to align yourselves with us, and seek the truth of your soul, you will end up feeling you want to relate to God as your Heavenly Parents like we do. The whole idea is for Mary and I to help you develop your personal experience with your Heavenly Mother and Father. And so should you follow us, so you will. But if you don’t want to do that, continuing with your rejection of Them and us, then you will most probably settle for some other more impersonal name of or expression for God. Such as Source, or Creator or even God, Great Soul, Great Light, Light of all Lights, and so on. But for people reading your work James, I would suggest to them, that should the want to make a real and true connection with God, wanting to know God as their Heavenly Parents, then they will need to long for Their Divine Love and do their soul-healing. A connection can be made before one begins ones healing, however unless one does do their healing, the relationship will fail to evolve to any significant degree, it merely being part of ones mental beliefs. And as you’ve seen for yourself James, many people start off in the right direction longing for and receiving the Divine Love and feeling a connection with the Father and or Mother or Both, but as they are not doing their healing, then they use their minds pretending to themselves they are advancing their relationship with the Mother and Father, but they are only lying to themselves.
Yes, I have seen that often Jesus, it being quite extraordinary what people make up, what they claim as their spiritual progress and truth growth and expanding relationship with the Father. I’m yet to hear of anyone with the Divine Love seriously include their Heavenly Mother. (However not long after writing this, I heard of it.)
And you won’t until they begin their healing in earnest. The Heavenly Mother circuits will only really open up when one is starting their healing should they wish to know Her too. But one can do their whole healing without fully relating to God as their Mother and Father yet still understanding that God is both the Mother and Father of their soul. It’s not so much about specific words, but the relationship, the intention, for as I said, the name of God is arbitrary, as for all intents and purposes, currently in Creation, God has no name, as God has not told it to us. But that is how Mary and I relate to SOUL, the soul that is the Soul of God, the Soul of our Mother and Father.
And are you sure that is how you and Mary relate to God, and you’re not just doing it because that’s how I do and you have to keep in harmony with my beliefs and negative mind circuits.
It doesn’t matter James. It doesn’t matter whether we are just relating to God as our Mother and Father because that’s how you do or it’s how we truly do. We do, however you can’t know that we do until you see and hear us doing so - this method of communication doesn’t allow you to know for sure. So you’ll have to wait and see. But for the time being, what is important, is if that’s how you relate to Them, then that’s how you do. And you are to fully express yourself in Creation as you feel your truth is wanting to be expressed, just as is everyone else and how they relate to God.
So those people who relate to God as ‘Source’, not as yet making the personal connection with God through parking of the Divine Love, will, should they die, move into the mind mansion worlds and over there still relate impersonally to God.
Yes, because they don’t as yet feel God is loving them, which you can only truly feel upon partaking of Their Divine Love. You can believe with your mind that you feel loved by God, but that’s not the same as feeling and knowing you are loved because you have Their Divine Love in your soul.
And once you do have Divine Love in your soul, then if you are in spirit you will move into the Divine Love mansion worlds, there to presumably begin your soul-healing.
Yes. And you can do the same whilst you’re of flesh on Earth. You don’t have to wait until you are in spirit to begin your healing with the inclusion of Divine Love in your soul. And in fact the more work you do on yourself now in flesh, the better it will be for you in spirit.
How will it be better Jesus?
You will not be so easily distracted by your new spirit life. Many people with Divine Love who are not as yet doing their healing come to spirit only to delay their healing having to take time to experience a lot of other things their new spirit lives offers, things of the mind - so distractions. Whereas should you begin your healing on Earth, with or without the inclusion of the Divine Love, you will more than likely want to keep going with your healing when you arrive in spirit should you not complete it before you die. And it will be easier for you to do so rather than get mislead and all caught up in the mind side of things.
Jesus, as I’m now feeling tired I will leave it there. Thank you again so much for all you and Mary do to help me understand all of this.
It’s our pleasure James. Until next time - Jesus.
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Post by James on Apr 1, 2014 19:52:00 GMT 10
73. Jesus and the Avonals Friday, 24 October 2013
Jesus, you mentioning the Avonals has again brought up the same thoughts I had before about them having a thankless task, talking about how evil we are all, when all people want to hear and believe is they are good and of love - are loving, not full of anger and hatred and falseness. They won’t want to hear their lives are fantasies, meaningless and with no purpose other than to experience what it’s like to be evil, and all the pain that goes with that. So I can’t see anyone wanting to listen to them; and for that matter, I can’t see anyone wanting to read all I’m writing with you either. Perhaps some people might out of curiosity because I say it’s you and Mary, but still, who wants to told they are evil and all they think they are doing to help themselves spiritually is only adding to their evilness. And all you and Mary are saying through me is not in keeping with the Jesus most people know about, it’s not even in keeping with the Jesus in The Urantia Book.
No James, it’s not, which is the whole point, however it is in keeping with how Mary and I are in person. So what are you going to believe, all you read in books and what the Churches say, or are you going to relate to the real persons, and see what they have to say about things. You have to understand, humanity through the years has changed everything, look at how you currently live, you can’t leave things alone, everything has to be changed and updated, with many of the so-called improvements not making it better than it was. And it’s the same with peoples views and understanding of Mary and I, they’ve all been well and truly distorted, and so much so that were Mary and I to come to Earth all those people who say they are living for us and waiting for our return, would reject us, still going on waiting for their beloved fantasy Jesus to arrive. Such people do not want the truth, for if they did they’d not be still clinging to all their religious beliefs, they’d be looking to their own feelings to show them the way. And as Mary and I are the Living Truth, so such people would reject us as we’ve been rejected all the way along. So it would only be a minority, as it was when we were on Earth, that might listen to us, and even fewer people who might actually want to do as we say; but as the majority want to remain in their evil states of mind and will, so we won’t interfere with them. And it will be the same for the Avonals, for they too are the Living Truth, and so will be rejected by most, but it’s not for the most that they are coming to your world, it’s for the select few who want to live true, who want to heal themselves of their evilness. And I don’t mean ‘select’ as in the special ones chosen by God, or anything like that, so don’t go trying to look for the so-called chosen 144,000, which is nonsense anyway as the Christians relate to it, in what I say. It will be just ordinary people, but extraordinary as well, who will want to do all they can to set themselves free of their pain. Those people who want to keep living rejecting themselves, nature and God will be allowed to do so, and those people who want to uncover the truth of themselves with or without the inclusion of the Divine Love will be moved into looking at life differently, from a different perspective, and so having different motivations; and although such people will be scattered all over the world, really they will in many ways be living in a different realm than those who persist in being evil. And not in a ‘different’ or ‘higher’ dimension, nothing like that, just different because of their different intention in life and so different in what life is for them, and what they want to get out of it. These people will be wanting to embrace their souls ascension to Paradise, so will be living a true spiritual life as they progress in their healing and evolution of truth; whereas everyone else, irrespective of their beliefs and so-called faith in God or love of God or Spirit or Source or Allah or whatever else they might believe in, will be just living more of the same, continuing to go around and around in circles, destined to arrive in the mind mansion worlds after death and there to continue going around and around in circles. And will keep doing so until their soul says enough is enough, it’s time to start longing for the truth.
I can relate to what you’re saying Jesus, I feel in some ways detached from the world, and yet, that’s how I’ve always felt. I have always wanted to somehow get involved in it by living something of a normal life like other people, but now I’ve given that up, happy as I am, happy that I’ve opted for a different life, one that involves healing my evilness.
I know you feel like that James, which is why I have spoken about it, it being how other people will feel too. As you and Marion have been speaking about how your healing involves a complete spiritual perspective on life, so I wanted to reiterate it in this context. Many people will look to do some of their feeling-healing, healing their traumas through their feeling expression and partial childhood repression healing, however many such people will want to do this so they can get on and keep living their physical lives happily, not wanting to go deeper, not wanting to heal their whole negative state. So they will succeed in ‘healing’ themselves to the degree they are happy with, all so they can live happily in their negative state, feeling like they have more power and are able to use their mind to make things be as they want them to be. But this is not setting out to heal your evilness as the first stage of your ascension of truth to Paradise, the beginning of your eternal spiritual career. And such people like yourself James will understand that your ‘real’ life is spiritual and will be lived in spirit, and so won’t see Earth as the be all and end all, doing all you can to stay alive in flesh perpetuating your wrongness.
Jesus, what about the Avonals, how are they going?
They are still working their way through their healing. Things are going well - all according to plan, you might say. Things in the world are fast coming to a head, things are going to change rapidly, and many people will find their lives are not the same as they were. Many people will feel the need to look for answers and so the Avonals will be well placed by then to offer an alternative way.
So what about all my writing with you, what’s that all for?
Preparation James. The Avonals are not going to want to write about such things, they leaving that up to other people by the time they have healed their wrongness. So all you are doing is helping prepare the way so to speak, for yourself and for them.
The thought occurred to me that I might be someone like John the Baptist, the herald of such a pair, but I don’t fancy getting my head chopped off. However should that happen at least I’d then be in spirit, as I’ve about had enough of my life here.
Nothing like that James, no similarities to Mary’s and my life, that was all back then, now it’s all different, different times, different levels of psychological awareness, different outlooks and understandings about things. And daily more people are coming to realise that an end of some sort is drawing near, and that things will have to change if indeed humanity is to survive, and change in a big way, not just reshuffling the deck again. And there needs to be people who’ve completed their healing who can say: ‘Yes, it’s a real thing, I have done it, and so can you’, and people will need to see the results of such people who’ve done their healing, so they can look at them and think, yes, that’s how I want to be, just like them. And people will need to have somewhere they can come and be assured that what they find, what they read, will be from the heart of someone who at least is trying to do their best at living true to their feelings, someone who is trying to understand where the real truth lies in amongst all the untruth. And so that’s why - at least partially why - you still feel like you want to keep writing with us, all so you can bring to light all that you are.
Jesus, what is being truly spiritual?
In the context of your lives James, that being humanity whilst it’s in its negative state, it’s doing your healing: growing in truth through your ongoing feeling acceptance. That is being as spiritual as you can be. All else, whilst you’re in your negative state, is not being truly spiritual, it being simply a ‘spiritual’ condition of the mind, by which I mean, it’s a belief, and nothing more. And an erroneous belief at that.
But surely some people are still growing in truth even in their negative states.
Some are, but only to a very minor degree, for they will not be doing their healing as Mary and I have been speaking about it. And being in your negative state is anti truth. Many people do indeed make a little headway in naturally healing themselves, but very little truth is revealed. You are all too bound up in your negative mind and will for any real spiritual progress to be made until you start to do your healing.
I believed I was spiritual before I began my healing, but looking back now I can see it was as you say, just a belief, as I wasn’t actually growing in truth. I was increasing my understanding of certain things by reading the Padgett Messages and The Urantia Book and other channelled writings, but it was nothing like what my healing has been like.
Nothing is like it James, there is no comparison, and people when they are firmly established in their healing will realise that they too had no real idea about what being spiritual was.
So being spiritual is not just a belief or a way of life based on beliefs, it’s living true to your feelings uncovering the truth they are to show you.
Yes, nothing difficult at all. Only those people who ‘want to be spiritual’ or who are religious believing this is what God wants of them, will not see it the same way, not until they do their healing and give up all their so-called spiritual ways. And anyone can be religious about anything. And it doesn’t matter what your relationship with God is, however if it’s just mental as based on your beliefs in God, then it will have no real or true spiritual basis to it. And as you’ve seen for yourself, once you do start your healing your relationship with God (as with all your relationships) changes, divesting yourself of all the untruth in it, growing and evolving into being true. Humanity has built for itself huge controlling religious organisations, all of which really have little spiritual worth. And all of which will be let go of when one starts to do ones healing. And having said that however, still there is worth and value in ones self and feeling denying experiences, all of which will be used when one does do ones healing to help one become true.
My healing experiences show me everyday just how perfectly the Mother and Father are orchestrating it, and nothing - of course - from my early life was a waste of time as it’s all being used to help me uncover the truth of it. Even though so often I feel like it has all been a waste of time.
All you’ve lived is all that’s made you, so all of that will be used to help you see the whole truth of who you are. From your evilness you will uncover the truth of yourself. So all your experiences whilst of a negative state are what you’ll need to help you grow in truth through your healing. Nothing is wasted, not even evil. It will all be for the good in the end.
And Jesus, on that profound note, I’m going to stop now.
Very well James, speak to you soon, goodbye now - Jesus.
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Post by James on Apr 2, 2014 19:38:19 GMT 10
74. My healing is making me feel so bad Monday 26, October 2013
Mary. It’s not your healing James that’s making you feel so bad, you already feel that bad, and all you’re doing through your healing is becoming true to such feelings.
But it’s so hard and I feel so miserable, stripping away all the bullshit that I was using to believe I was okay, and now increasingly being left with nothing - only bad feelings.
Which is what needs to happen - you are to see the truth of yourself, as we’ve constantly stressed; so whilst you’re evil, you are to see the truth of your evilness, all which you do through your feelings. And being evil, as it’s love-denying, means you will feel bad, and so that’s what’s happening. You can’t feel good in your evilness unless you pretend you do, overriding your bad feelings, putting on your happy face and false smile and pretending everything is all right.
So really Mary, our healing is to take us into feeling as bad as we really do feel, the bad feelings we’re doing all we can do avoid and deny. And I know we’ve talked about this countless times, but still I’m coming to understand what you’ve said all the way along. I still think as I progress in my healing I should feel better and better about myself, but it’s going the other way. I do feel better in one sense, that being I can feel and see that I’m no longer as false as I was, so becoming truer, but truer to my evilness, so feeling only the bad feelings, only the pain of it and understanding how fucked I am.
And it’s all prefect James, you and Marion are coming to terms with it, you’re fully accepting it, and certainly you are feeling very bad, yet still you’re understanding it more, seeing how it really is for yourselves. And when all the truth of your self-rejection has come to light, then your soul will turn you around so you can be free of your negative state.
So if people want to do their healing - which might be you dear reader, please understand it will be nothing like how you might think your healing should go, if you think such things. It’s all going in the opposite direction, and to keep feeling worse and worse the more you rid yourself of your falseness doesn’t seen right, but that’s how it is - how it’s been for Marion and I at least. Marion’s having days of feeling so bad about herself, her self-loathing and self-hate is all she is now.
Which is right James because that’s all she got from her parents, and so she’s able to face it now, feel it, allowing herself to be it, as much as she hates being as she is. And when she’s seen and felt it all, all the Mother and Father want her to experience, then it will all pass, she’ll change, and start to express herself positively instead of all this negativity. But it all has to be fully accepted, I can’t stress that enough, and seen for what it is - so felt fully, all so she knows how every part of her early life and relationship with her parents was and how it made her feel. You have to go into to it to become free of it. You have to fully accept your negative condition, so be it, without trying to avoid it at all. So you will feel very bad as you both are broken down into it, and feel all that being evil makes you feel; so: unloved, unwanted, uncared about, so lonely, rejected, so miserable and angry about being this way, and feeling such feelings. And bad: you will feel as bad as your parents made you feel; the whole truth, as there is no escaping it, it will catch up with you sometime.
Yeah well who in their right mind would want to choose to be evil. We’ve had no say in it, but I can’t begin to understand why the Lucifer’s wanted to go against all that’s good and true. How could they cut themselves off from the Mother and Father’s love, turning their backs on God?
They did what all of you are doing, they used their mind to convince themselves they knew better than God and so would feel more love if they were in control of everything - control of everything through their minds. And they kept denying their bad feelings, those feelings that initially came up trying to help them see the error of their ways. But they didn’t want to listen to those parts of themselves, they couldn’t control their feelings, so they blanked them out with their mind, using their mind to make them feel good feelings, and more ‘love’, and more important and powerful. And as they turned against their own soul, so they felt worse, so had to work harder at banishing those bad feelings, replacing them with ones of their own choosing, all the while sinking lower in their corruption and the ruination of their soul.
Have they ruined their soul, as in they will never be able to heal themselves?
They are still in rebellion on their prison world. In theory, all souls are redeemable, however in practice, although very rare, rebellion leaders have refused to repent, because they argue, what is the point as they don’t want to go back to how they were before they rebelled because it wasn’t as good as they feel now - which are all false mind-generated good feelings.
So what happens to such souls Mary?
They cease to be. Once they’ve rejected all appeals of mercy, once they’ve completely chosen to remain against the Mother and Father, and their own soul, even though they believe they are doing themselves a great favour by not buying into the control of God as they see it, they are terminated, their soul and so personality expression ceases to be. Love is to predominate, it’s too strong, so it’s a loving act to terminate their existence. There is no need for them to continue to suffer, even if they believe they are great and not suffering at all, having completely blocked out the pain their soul is in.
Like putting someone or something out of their misery.
Yes, in a way.
But if the Mother and Father are controlling everyone, then They surely desire such souls to be terminated, They setting it all up that way.
On the soul level yes, there needs to be the outworking of evil to it’s fullest conclusion. However on the personality level, the individuals involved, and it’s always a soul-pair, who must choose for themselves to go down that road.
But they are choosing to do what God wants them to do. But then again, if that’s the destiny of your soul, so that’s how you’re going to feel and that’s what you’d choose. Oh I don’t know Mary, it’s all seems so mad, why can’t it all just be nice, and good and of love. It’s such a bum to live a life being so fucked up when life on Earth could be so wonderful.
I know James, but it’s all for your soul and your eternal existence in Creation, and in time you’ll understand the benefit of it all.
Thank you Mary, I’m tired and I’ve still got my headache, I’ll speak to you soon.
Bye James.
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Post by James on Apr 3, 2014 18:28:08 GMT 10
75. Jesus, and Divine Love healing circles Tuesday 27, October 2013
Jesus, I was reading about a Divine Love healing circle: people visualising things, holding hands, praying together and individually for healing, praying for people not in the group to receive healing - ‘remote healing’, and I was wondering what does actually go on in such circles from the spirits side of things; and do people receive ‘healings’ - so does it work, can you receive healing and healing energies if you ask for it; and can you ask for it to be given to people you don’t know or people not in the same place as you, and the world - the planet? I mean of course we can ask, we can do whatever we like, but does it work?
Essentially in such meditation and healing groups, with or without the Divine Love involved, all that really happens is light is transferred from the attending spirits to those on Earth, and no actual healing takes place - that’s in most such groups, however there are always exceptions, and certain levels of healing can occur. But generally speaking James, as people are not wanting to look to their feelings for their truth, so all those things you mentioned above don’t work. And if they do, then it’s only to help the giver and receiver and all involved more help to progress further with their negative state. Healing can be divided into two categories; one: those people wishing to heal themselves through their feelings by uncovering the truth; and all that will happen in such circles or groups is the same that happens during your day, things will occur to you to help bring up more of your repressed bad feelings, so you can accept, express and uncover the truth of them.
So such people might actually feel bad during a healing service or situation like this.
Yes possibly, however they might at first feel good, but such good feelings would sooner or later lead to more bad ones, as that’s the whole purpose of doing your healing: to liberate all your repressed bad feelings. So they might feel happy during their prayer, and after it, and even the next day, but at some point, the bad feelings will return. And your attending angels (real angels, not Celestial spirits) will work on you during such times when you’re ‘bathed in the light of spirit’ so as to prepare you for the next circuit of bad feelings to be released. Just as they will constantly be working with you through your day and during your dreams and sleep should you wish to use your feelings to uncover the truth of yourself.
So if one were intent on doing ones feeling- or soul-healing and felt bad when praying, and when praying for healing, then that’s good.
Yes, and one should pray with that understanding that you are going to feel bad - and even wanting to feel bad, as hard as that might be, all so more repressed feelings can surface. So the ‘healing’ might not be what you expect. Of course, as you and Marion have done numerous times when you’ve felt very bad and been in a lot of pain, and all sorts of pain, not just physical, you’ve begged the Mother and Father to heal you, to take the pain away, but still you’ve always done it with your underlying intention to keep bringing up your repressed feelings. And sometimes the pain has instantly vanished, other times slowly, and other times not at all, but you’ve both continued to accept and express how bad you’ve felt, or happy you feel if the pain suddenly went. And you James have long since given up wanting God to magically heal you.
Yes, as I see that as only putting a band-aide over my deeper problems, which even if I was ‘healed’ in the short term, would someday arise again. And I’ve also given up asking the Mother and Father to just heal all my repressed childhood, to make me instantly perfect, as I now understand how valuable all my pain is, as much as I hate feeling it, it being an essential part of my growth.
The other healing category is for such ‘healings’ to take place all to help one further ones negative state. And mostly these sorts of healings are of course going to make you feel better, that being what you want so as to block out and keep repressed your bad feelings. So were such people as you mentioned, and indeed it’s the same for the mind spirits, to pray and meditate singularly or in groups for healing, they might feel and sense such things going on within them, they might even suddenly be miraculously healed, all to help advance their negative state; all to help them feel (believe) they are getting somewhere in their spiritual growth and with God answering their prayers so showing them they are obviously going in the right direction with God being pleased with them; when all they are really doing is adding yet more layers of self- and feeling-denial and so control to their mind, with God complying for it being what their soul wants as they are to continue advancing their untruth. And the same applies for remote healing, for all concerned, the one asking and the one receiving, being in their negative states will help them feel they are going the right way - further into their negative condition. And were such people truly doing their healing, then they’d understand there was no need, and indeed it was wrong, to pray to God asking Him to intervene and make the other person they are praying for, feel better, all so as to avoid feeling their bad feelings. And were they to engage in such remote healing prayers, such prayers would fall on deaf ears, God ignoring them, for it’s up to the person doing their healing to work it all out themselves with God through their own feelings. It’s always between yourself and your Mother and Father, not including anyone else. So nothing is to be gained by praying for anyone else to be healed. God won’t deprive the person you are praying for their bad feelings, just because you want God to heal them.
I understand what you’re saying. I ask the Mother and Father to heal Marion when she’s feeling so bad. But as she says, they are her bad feelings and she needs to fully feel and express them, so for me to stop interfering, as my praying is really just my trying to use God to stop her feeling bad. I can’t stop her myself, so I ask God.
Yes James, just another way you’re trying to take over and remain in control, whereas it would be much better for you to express the fears that are driving you to pray to God to heal Marion, and to speak about how all those bad feelings make you feel.
And what about people praying for Earth, for Gia, or the Mother Earth, and giving her their healing light or energy or vibration, all trying to heal the Earth by raising its vibration.
Humanity can’t bring about such change or affect the Earth, it’s out of humanity’s control in those ways. You can work at destroying nature as you destroy your own nature, and sitting in a Earth-healing circle is and does nothing more than sitting in an Earth-healing circle, and at best feeling a bit of light coming to you for your unseen attending spirit helpers. None of the light from these circles goes anywhere, and not to the Earth, it’s all wishful thinking - hope and fantasy, and the time would be better spent on trying to accept, express and seek the truth of ones bad feelings, should one want to really do something to help the Earth. Because as you grow in truth, your soul revealing it to you through your feelings, so you will grow in your understanding and appreciation of nature, and as such will change your relationship with it as you become more true and loving. And this is the only way humanity will fully heal the Earth by fully healing itself. So the more time you spend in your ‘Earth-healing’ circle or sending your prayers out to the planet or the rest of humanity, the worse you’re actually making it for Earth and nature because you’re only succeeding in adding yet more erroneous beliefs to your feeling-denying negative state.
And the angels and nature spirits won’t answer our prayers and heal the Earth or help us heal ourselves, unless we’re doing our feeling- or soul-healing and growing in truth?
That’s right, they will help you further your untruth, if that’s what your underlying intention is, but won’t, as they can’t, do anything else you might ask. If you are doing your healing they will help you feel bad or adjust light within your auric system so as to help you move through the negative circuits of your mind and will you are working on, but won’t go out and heal the world or another person, creature or pet just because you asked them to or prayed to God to make them do it. However having said that, that’s not to say the angels, nature spirits, and the Mother and Father might affect such healings in conjunction with your prayers, but for reasons to do with your healing and not necessarily in response to your asking.
It says in The Urantia Book that you didn’t ask the Father to heal anyone, He just did it.
That’s right. I surrendered such power, I wanted to live as true to being a mortal as I could, so relinquished - or rather, didn’t activate - my superhuman soul-powers. However the Mother and Father thought otherwise.
Were you surprised when such events happened?
No, because I could feel the Mother and Father doing it. They told me why as it was happening or before; I knew through my soul-perceptions so I was able to stay connected to the reality that was unfolding through my feelings, even though it was something out of the ordinary.
So for such people who believe they are doing such ‘great works’, it’s all just wishful thinking - for their own ego’s.
Yes, it’s all self-serving for their negative mind state, irrespective of what they might believe and think they are achieving. They are not giving anything to the world or to themselves or each other, not even their love to God. Whilst such people are still denying the truth, so they are denying God and nature, so it’s all only more of their delusion, more of their fantasy.
And because things do happen at times to such people making them feel good about what they are doing, even though they are going more against themselves, so they feel more powerful and naturally want to keep going that way.
Yes, and all a false power. And were they really wanting to do something of benefit for themselves and the Earth, they would need to go the other way and start to fully accept and acknowledge their powerless feelings, those feelings that are making them want to sit in prayer and pray for healing from God and pray to heal the Earth. And so were they to ask themselves why they want to do such things, and keep asking until they connect with their underlying bad feelings, then they would be getting closer to achieving in reality that which they wrongly believe they are achieving in their falseness.
I sat in many such prayer and meditation healing circles before I started my healing, and I loved them all. But now I can see that all the good things that happened to me: the spirits coming, feeling the intensity of the light, and the Divine Love flowing into me, was as you say Jesus, all to keep my bad feelings away. I wanted to be in that higher light state all the time, only feeling good.
Of course you did James, all so you didn’t feel bad, didn’t feel those dreaded bad feelings you unconsciously knew were hidden within you. And you will recall James we granted your wishes, we shone our love and light over you, all helping you move further into your negative state. And it was the light from the angels and spirits with you during such times that made you feel (believe) you were getting somewhere in your growth, that you were moving ahead, that you were feeling better and more loved, all of which built up to the point of where it all crashed for you, when for some reason or another you started to feel bad in your prayers and afterwards; and then worse and worse, until you begged the Father to show you what was wrong, why you were feeling so bad; when as you believed, with all your prayers for the Divine Love, you should have been feeling good. And when you started to acknowledge you were feeling bad and your prayers and meditations were no longer getting you out of such feelings and keeping you in that ‘higher state of light’, as they’d previously done for you, you crossed over and turned around. It was then you started to turn back to yourself, that you started to long properly and truly for the truth - the truth of why you were feeling so bad. And then you met Marion. And she told you about the healing.
I never actually felt any of what I’d call healing going on during those prayers and meditations, but I did feel ‘full of the light’, and so much so at times, I thought I’d explode.
No healing did go on, because as I said, you were moving deeper into your feeling-denial, with all that light helping you to further bury your bad feelings, keeping them repressed more than they usually had been. So as much as you thought you were ascending to Paradise, you were actually descending further into your hell, only feeling really good about it, feeling so full of light.
Yeah, I can see it clearly now, that’s exactly what I felt. It was the best I’d felt, like I was finally getting somewhere in life, it buying into my superiority beliefs. I was ‘rising above’ the average person with all my praying and receiving the Divine Love, and understanding all you spirits were telling me, but it was all mind stuff, that much I can see now.
Yes, you believed you were gaining power as you ‘grew in the light’ but in fact you were depowering yourself more, taking yourself down to lower levels instead of up into higher ones. And then it was time for your soul to end all of that, as you had to get on with the real business at hand - doing your soul-healing. So you crashed, you felt worse and worse as you had a minor mental breakdown from the stress and confusion of why you were no longer feeling so good, and why your prayers weren’t having that good effect on you anymore. Your beliefs were no longer working for you. Your mind started losing control.
Yeah it certainly was a horrible time, I felt like I was being sucked down into a dark hole inside myself. Nothing made any sense anymore. You saying in the Padgett Messages that all ones sins and errors would be taken away by the Divine Love, and I had been praying and receiving it for a couple of years, and yet I was feeling very bad and consumed with what I know now to be my sinfulness and evilness, all that was wrong in me - all my yuk. It wasn’t supposed to happen like that! It’s sad to think of all those people praying away believing they are helping themselves when in fact they’re doing the very opposite.
It’s what they want James, they are not aware of that consciously, but it’s what their soul and the Mother and Father currently want, and so if you feel sad about it, then that’s another bad feeling for your to express to Marion and find the truth of. And when these people do want to stop and start to take their spiritual ascension seriously, then they will start to long for the truth; they will want it so much that their beliefs sustaining their untruth will start to collapse just as yours did.
Thank you Jesus, Marion wants to keep reading her latest book to me so I will go and speak to you later.
Speak to you soon James - Jesus.
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Post by James on Apr 4, 2014 18:29:55 GMT 10
76. Nerina Friday, 30 October 2013
James, my name is Nerina and as you’re soon to write with Mary about retarded children, so I wanted to come to you and tell you a little of my story. Do you mind my coming to you like this?
No Nerina, not at all, as I’m open to speaking with spirits currently, as you no doubt know, they asking Mary and Jesus questions.
Yes, and I’m currently in the fifth mansion world along with some of those spirits who have been speaking with you. Marion is reading to you about a young girl born with cerebral palsy, who according to the doctors should have been put in an institution and basically forgotten whilst her parents got on with having other children and a normal life. However her parents, and in particular the mother, would have no part of this, choosing to look after her child herself; and did a fantastic job, the girl being as happy as one could be in the retarded state she was in. And how I know she was as happy as she could be was because I had the same disability as her, however was not so lovingly treated as she was during my short Earth life, which is why I am coming to you today. Unlike this little girl I was put in an uncaring institution and all but forgotten about by my parents. They had other normal children and I was the family’s hidden secret, its shame, so no one wanted to know about me, no one visited me, not that I would have known had they, for I slowly withdrew under the harsh and unaffectionate ‘care’ of those put in charge of me. I basically withered away dying at ten years from malnutrition, pneumonia and lack of love. And when I compare myself to all this little girl felt, I know she was happy, and I’ve spoken with spirits who were like her, being loved in their disability, and even in some cases, loved for having it and all the experiences it provided everyone with; and within their soul, they knew and felt they were loved, although often were unable to express it outwardly to those who were caring for them. But in spirit when finally set free of their disability were able to then express their gratitude. As you’ve been reading this book and discussing it with Marion as to what you think and feel about such children, one question you’ve talked about is should they simply be killed at birth or as soon as they are diagnosed with such a hopeless condition. During my day there weren’t the medical resources available that there are today, but still the question is ever-present: should such defective people be terminated or not?
Yes we have been discussing such things and it’s good to feel what feelings come up about it all. Basically I think such babies and children should be euthanised knowing they will wake up a normal spirit and be able to get on with a normal spirit life, albeit still within a negative state of mind and will, that which I would image would be passed onto them in full by adoptive spirit parents were they to have them. But then again, having said that, I can also see the great value in having such a difficult child to look after, as with this family and how much they all gained from it. So I come to the conclusion, I don’t know what is right; yet still, keeping such a child alive for years on a machine in a hospital situation without the full-on one on one interaction that the child in the book got from her mother, seems more like prolonging the agony than being kind trying to keep it alive for as long as possible. We just can’t kill anything or let anyone die, as we have such little understanding of life after death. So Nerina, what do you think and feel about it all?
The same as you James. I would have much preferred to have been put to sleep so I could have woken up in spirit and had something of a normal upbringing. However having spoken with many other spirits who experienced similar retardations and deformities like I did, for those who did receive a lot of affection and hands on attention from their parents and families, they wouldn’t have had it any other way. They feel good about their beginning even though it wasn’t normal, whereas I feel very bad about it, I have a huge amount of anger and resentment locked away inside me. But as I’m also slowly coming to understand, it’s what God wanted and so surely the unloving treatment I got was what I needed to make me be as I am and how I will be when I’ve finished my healing, just as it is the same for those people who felt more loved.
Nerina, can you remember much of your time on Earth?
No, just vague impressions, but more a sense of knowing how it was for me. I have had also a huge amount of pain and anger about feeling I have missed out on a whole childhood, as when I awoke in spirit I was still ten years old and carried on from there, whereas those other spirits who did feel loved to some degree, felt they had a good childhood, even though my normal standards it was substandard. But that doesn’t matter to them, because they can’t know what having a normal childhood would be like anyway not having had one; and it doesn’t matter, because it’s what you feel that matters, and the fact they felt loved, wanted and cared about, respected as a person, a human being, even though being heavily retarded - being repulsive by conventional standards and yet loved and accepted by the standards of their family, is what remains with them.
So what happened after you woke up in spirit?
I underwent a long rehabilitation, I was suddenly normal, but needed constant and gentle interaction to awaken my dormant personality. There are many very caring spirits who lovingly attend to people (spirits) such as me, slowly helping us to come out of ourselves. And when I say loving, of course you understand such love is relative within the negative condition we’re all in, so it’s still not real and true love, but it’s better than no love at all.
I do understand what you mean by that, it’s not love founded on truth, but love generated by the mind, if I can put it like that.
Yes, but still within the negative and so being relative; still, I experienced no love, only hatred and disgust at being myself, whereas other retarded children like the one you are reading about feel love, so will feel good about their upbringing when they come to spirit.
However that might make it more difficult to do your healing and understand that you’re still denying many bad feelings if you feel loved.
It can do, yes, and that’s where through my intense suffering of not feeling loved, then loved in spirit, with so many years of feeling so bad underpinning me, it wasn’t long in my spirit life once I was fully normal to start to feel things weren’t as good as I wanted them to be - that I was still feeling bad. And because of these bad feelings here I am now, so in some ways being so heavily rejected on Earth did me a favour for I am now doing my healing and longing for the Divine Love, whereas many who were like me yet felt loved, are still deluding themselves that they feel so loved now they are normal in their spirit lives.
Yeah I see what you mean, so had you been terminated soon after death you might have grown up normally in spirit but, only to live longer denying yourself in your negative condition.
Yes, that’s right. So it brings you back to the question about whether or not such defectives should be terminated straight away.
Hmm, I suppose there is no right or wrong, but what I can see is that to begin with, if all the adults involved were looking to accept and express and seek the truth of their feelings, all those bad feelings coming up because of having to deal with such a deformed baby and child, then they’d certainly grow and change being thankful to the baby or child for helping them to feel bad, and things would be much better than they have been or are today. And such people were they striving to live true to themselves would no doubt as expressing such truth as it came to them, feel what they needed and wanted to do regarding trying to love the child in their family or letting it go to its spirit life.
Yes, that’s right, which is were you will come back to, that no matter how good or bad anything is, it’s really about whether or not you personally and collectively want to uncover the truth of yourself through your feelings.
Thank you Nerina, most of what we’ve talked about I was going to ask Mary about, so you’ve helped me get my thoughts in order a little more about it all.
I am still a long way from finishing my healing James, yet I do understand how paramount it is that everyone involved in the intimacies of the relationship should be intent on trying to heal themselves, living true, and so longing to do their healing, and must want to speak about everything. I will go now James. Thank you for allowing me to come to you today.
Thank you Nerina.
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Post by James on Apr 5, 2014 18:29:06 GMT 10
77. Coping with retarded children Friday, 30 October 2013
Mary, following on from speaking with Nerina and the book Marion and I are reading about retarded children, it seems to me that really such children and adults, like us all, just need to feel as accepted, wanted and loved, so they can be as happy as they can possibly be, and that really the rest of society should make such individuals the priority and not just keep them at arms length pretending they’ll just somehow go away.
Yes James, that’s what you all need, and just because someone is not of normal mind or body, doesn’t mean they won’t be able to feel the love, care and devotion given to them.
And that’s the crux of the matter from what I can see, it should be about making them feel good and happy, whatever it takes.
Yes, as it should for all children, however unfortunately because you live denying so many of your own feelings, so you can’t truly look after lovingly those with such problems and difficulties.
Mary, why do such deformed and disabled children occur, and if that’s what such souls want to experience, are both the soulmates disabled, or can one personality of the pair be normal and the other disabled?
It can be both or one, however both is extremely rare and highly unlikely because there is more life experience and so truth to be gained by the soul-pair by having one of the pair being retarded and the other normal. And why it happens is really for the individual concerned to find out for themselves, which they will do when they do their healing. And everyone who is retarded or disabled or handicapped in anyway, emotionally, physically, mentally and even psychically - shown up psychologically, will be ‘made right’ in spirit, so being able to do their feeling- and soul-healing should the want to. And if they do, then they will uncover through their feelings why it was the Mother and Father wanted them to experience their physical life that way. Everyone who is ‘not right’ is made right in spirit, everyone gets an equal go at uncovering the truth of themselves, only it is for some that they have a very limited and ‘different’ beginning in the physical.
So there’s no retardation or any disability in spirit.
No, there is only your ongoing negative state should you wish to remain in it; and it being anti yourself, nature and God, and anti truth, is really very debilitating and disabling for you are living completely against yourself, being evil and untrue. And just because you might not be displaying any outward signs of something not being quite right, doesn’t mean your soul isn’t in great pain. And should a disabled or retarded person be treated as lovingly as you can in your negative states, then their whole experience on Earth will make them feel good, it will be a positive experience within the negative if I can put it like that, and in many ways it could be a far more happy and enjoyable experience compared to normal children that feel totally unloved and unwanted by their parents, children like yourself and Marion that felt unhappy.
The retarded girl in the book is treated so lovingly by her parents, and she’s always beaming and laughing and showing her pleasure in her limited way, and is obviously on a feeling level, having a much better life than what Marion and I got. So happiness certainly has nothing to do with just being ‘normal’.
No James, it’s all about, and all only ever about, personality interaction. And if you feel good in such interactions, then you feel happy, and if not, you feel bad, irrespective of your physical or mental capacity.
It’s very clear reading the book that the poor retarded ones that are just locked away and mostly ignored in an institution feel very under stimulated and unhappy, receiving so little personal good hands on attention like Nerina said about herself. Whereas those children and adults who are included as part of the family and society in a good, supportive and caring way can make good progress in expressing themselves in their limited way. They come out of themselves rather than just withdrawing into their confinement.
As does any child or adult. Your soul is always wanting to express more of its personality - you - in Creation, but it needs interaction with other personalities to do so. So without such interaction, or if it’s all bad, then the personality - you - feel unwanted, uncared about and unloved, and so what’s the point of continuing on, so you withdraw awaiting death to claim you.
That’s about how I’ve been feeling lately Mary - what’s the point, there’s nothing to look forward to, and really, why do I keep going.
Yes James, for that’s how you felt so much of the time in the womb, as a baby and young child, your parents not interacting lovingly with you, not making you want to keep coming out. So you withdrew, turning in on yourself and going into your mind. And now that you’re giving up your mental delusions about how one day you’ll come out and get on with it and be able to make yourself feel happy by finding the right thing for yourself to do, so you’re allowing yourself to feel the truth of yourself - how your parents really did make you feel.
Mmm... So Mary, what about euthanising such subnormal people.
All such questions as to whether or not it’s right to do can be answered the same way. There is no right or wrong way, only what everyone feels. So, for example, if it was allowable and parents wanted to do that to their abnormal or sick child, sure, the child is still under their care, and so it is up to the parents to decide what’s best for the child. However what should happen in such situations is all involved should be speaking about and expressing all their thoughts and feelings whilst longing for the truth of them all the way along through the decision making process, so if it comes to euthanising the child or adult, then it’s what all want. And if the person in question is capable of understanding and expressing and uncovering the truth of themselves through their feelings as well, then of course they too should be included in it all. If your approach to life is to heal yourself of your negative state and you were to bring about the end to your own or a child or adults life, then there will be no penalty, it simply being part of your journey of truth, and all the bad feelings you might experience leading up to, during and after the experience will be all you need to go through without incurring any extra bad feelings from any penalty. If you are not doing your healing and terminate someones life, even a fellow creatures, and even if it seems to be the best thing for the creature or person involved, such as ‘putting it out of its misery’, there will still be a penalty involved, you will still feel bad about what you’ve done and will one day have to liberate and express and uncover the truth of such pain. Everything you do in your evilness incurs a penalty for which you will suffer, and if not immediately, then when you come to do your healing. All your pain James is the pain of what you’ve been made to suffer, and all you’ve made yourself and others suffer by being evil. And although you have not gone around outwardly hurting people or creatures on purpose, still just being in and so contributing to evil is negatively effecting everyone else.
So we’re all being unloving to each other, even if we seem to be loving, whilst we’re in our negative states; with all that unlovingness having to be accounted for, so it being all the pain we suffer through our healing.
Yes.
I must be very evil Mary, for there’s sure been a hell of a lot of pain for me to feel, and Marion even more so, and yet she’s a much nicer person than I am.
It’s all on the will level James as we’ve discussed. Your upbringing didn’t allow you to express your evilness outwardly, but it’s all still there in you, on a deeper level. And had your upbringing caused you to express your evilness and untrue state in a outward way, then you’d be doing bad things to other people and creatures.
So really I am doing them but it’s just not obvious, but I am on a will level.
Yes, on that level you are unloving and are rejecting, just as you can see when it’s more obvious by someone who is more outwardly and demonstratively hurting someone or a creature. You’re all the same on the will level as we talked about the other day, so there is pain for you to feel through your healing, all of which when fully embraced will lead you deep into the truth of yourself.
Lately I’ve become more aware of just how rejecting and unloving I am, and all because that’s how I was treated. Today I saw how mum constantly reorganised me, telling me to do things all the time, and changing her mind about what I was to do all the time, never just allowing me to be free to be myself. So I feel constantly interfered with, and on all levels, and so angry about it, and even more angry because I’m like her, always trying to subtly reorganise Marion. And I say subtly, as I’m no good at it like mum was, as she never allowed me to be, but now knowing myself so much better, I can see it in me, I am just like her if only in intent.
Yes James it’s all there for you to see - the truth of yourself through your feelings.
And so Mary, why do two seemingly normal people have a retarded child. And why might they have one child not right and others right.
The abnormality is reflecting the deepest hidden parts of the parents. Their deepest levels of what they think and feel about themselves, how their parents made them feel during their most unloved times. All of which mostly they will have well and truly blocked out. And such deep self-denial will also be deep in the normal children, and they together with their parents will have to accept such bad feelings about themselves when they do their healing. So their abnormal child is some part of their inner self being expressed outwardly in their child, just as with all children, only such dysfunctional children can’t learn to hide all the bad parts of their parents like normal children are forced to.
So if you reject or accept your children, even your not right ones, it’s all really whether or not you are rejecting or accepting those parts of you they represent - so sort of the child you still are.
Yes.
So by having such a dysfunctional child might actually be a blessing should you want to get more in touch with yourself, uncover the truth of your self, and heal your untruth.
Yes, it will as will all your children, they being a product of you and not just a random affair - as in ‘it was just bad luck you got a bad one’. There is no such things as the vagaries of nature for truth-loving souls: that it’s just a throwback or a natural or unnatural genetic occurrence, a mistake, a mutation - just a statistical possibility; life doesn’t work that way for truth ascending souls. For nature yes, but not for people, for all that happens to you is all to help you grow in truth, nothing is just random or bad luck so far as having a soul is concerned.
Thank you again Mary. I will leave it there, I’m tired again.
Speak to you soon James. Mary M.
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Post by James on Apr 6, 2014 18:22:28 GMT 10
78. ‘Not being right’. Saturday, 31October 2013
Mary, following on from something Nerina said, I’d like to discuss the subject of not being right a little more.
Please James, go ahead.
It’s concerning what she said in that although she had a really bad unloving life in her retarded state, that has in fact helped her to want to know the truth of herself through her healing sooner than perhaps another retarded person who felt loved and supported by their family.
Yes, the same being for normal children.
So is it like there is a compensation for those of us who feel so unloved.
Yes and no. It might appear like that on the surface James, however not all people who felt so unloved quickly come to do their healing, just as not all who felt loved, delay it. Many people who felt so unloved, when they realise that by using their minds in their new spirit lives, they can gain love - at least believe they can, often spend a long time ‘catching up’, filling in their deprivation of love, now they are able to get love for themselves. So such spirits can spend a long time in the mind mansion worlds before they begin their healing. And some spirits who felt very loved, relatively quickly in their new spirit lives realise that they have all they need - all the love, and can do anything they please, yet awaken to still a deeper unfulfillment, a deeper yearning for yet more love. And when they acknowledge and act upon such feelings, accepting them and expressing them, soon come to realise that even with all the love they feel they have, they are still not happy and as loved as they want to be. Their questioning then leading them into doing their healing. So what does happen is you come to realise that you are all different, from the so-called worst to the best of you, you are simply children of God living very different lives. And that when you’ve lived all the evilness required by your soul, and whether you feel very loved or not at all, then it becomes time to do your healing and work your way out of your feeling-denying state. And there is not really any sooner or later, for when each person or spirit comes to begin their healing, that is the perfect time for them to begin. And even though some people might get on their way to Paradise sooner than others, when you start your Paradise ascent in earnest through your healing, then that is the right and perfect time for you. And you couldn’t have started it any sooner... or later. For your time of arrival on Paradise for you to met with your Mother and Father is fixed, it’s your Appointment with Destiny, so all happens to you at the right and prefect time, even taking into account all your so-called interference by your wayward mind whilst in your negative state.
So it’s all perfect, even in our imperfection?
It can’t be any other way James.
Thank you Mary.
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Post by James on Apr 6, 2014 18:24:43 GMT 10
79. Alien Saviour Sunday, 1 November 2013
Jesus, I was reading about the possibility of an Alien Saviour that’s supposedly coming to Earth any moment now. And the governments and Vatican are supposed to have told us by now, or are preparing humanity in some way for it. And it all ties in with all the supposed aliens that are influencing us, or so it would seem, with humanity never having been left alone to get on with it, always being subjected to the alien so-called good or bad meddling. And as we have touched on all of this before, still I feel there is more to it that I’m not seeing. Certain thoughts have been coming into my mind, so I thought I’d ask you again to please explain what is going on.
Nothing along those lines is going on James, it’s all fantasy stuff. There is no alien saviour and humanity has never had aliens meddling with it, not on any level. It has, as you understand from The Urantia Book had higher spirits coming to it who have in many ways positively and negatively effected it, and of course the ever-present mind spirits who are always trying to assert their control and have been doing so down through the ages. You see James, before Mary and I came, the Lucifers, Satans, Caligastias and Daligastias had freedom to do whatever they wanted with humanity, all with their aim being to keep corrupting it from spirit and in the physical, to keep turning it away from itself, turning against God, all by making it deny its true feelings. So all these fears these people are speaking about are legacies from long ago, all the myths built up by these unseen controlling spirits. And using such control to keep humanity in its false and negative state by creating apparitions, ‘Great Spirit Beings’, aliens, all such things, all to keep humanity enslaved to such Evil Ones. And remember they had lots of ‘fallen’ angels, angels who joined them in their rebellion and who helped bring about such ‘wonders’; angels that could easily manipulate and change the physical dimension, such as moving things around, making things appear where they wouldn’t ordinarily appear - all sorts of things to impress or scare people so they could control their minds and feelings. And in ages gone by it was far easier to seduce and impress upon and so control the minds of men, they were more primitive, and so more vulnerable to the superior intellect of these spirits and angels. And yet because of humanity’s inferiority there was little these controlling spirits could actually do with them, so they needed humanity to advance culturally and scientifically so they could control them in a more productive way, so creating more of a world to control, and that control still persists today, even though the Evil Spirits and fallen angels themselves are no longer actively interfering with you. So long ago, these ‘Great Spirits’ came and did things to impress the natives, who became filled with superstition, being easily controlled. So all the rumours and future predictions about such things happening, even including by some how I will come descending out of the clouds to save my faithful followers - it’s all part of the same thing. There were times gone by when it was easy for such Higher Spirit controllers to appear as if they were descending out of the clouds, and to appear as if they were coming in space ships, to appear in all sorts of regaling costume, to come even as dragons and demons, anything and everything to affect the minds of men, all so as to keep them unhinged as it were, all so they’d look to these same controlling spirits to save them. So the same ‘bad’ spirits would come being the benevolent ‘good saviour’, coming to protect them from the evil, but it was all evil, all manipulative and controlling. And if these bad spirits didn’t come in person, it was easy for them to intimidate and control people on the mental level by making them believe they were seeing and hearing things that frightened them by telepathically impressing such noises and images on their minds. And there are groups of successful mind spirits who still ‘carry on the good works’, still impressing all sorts of scary things on the minds of willing recipients. And such mind spirits have helped empower what you call the controlling elite, organising them into doing their bidding. And the controlling elite on their side feel powerful, having greater awareness and inside information on what’s going on in the minds of men, all so they can manipulate and coerce where necessary. So what those people who are trying to stand up and say no to the control are doing, is stand up to the invisible spirits that are exerting such control, however such spirits have had it all their way for a very long time so many of them are experts in what they do. And yet still they can’t control everything, and things are changing, people are having to start accepting their bad feelings, and as they look into them, they are beginning to see things are not right, that how it’s been has not actually been right for them, this being the groundswell you’re currently seeing growing through the likes of the alternative media. Evil will destroy itself because its unloving, as only all that is true love will exist. So these controlling spirits and their adjuncts on Earth have moved themselves into a position of inevitable failure, and that combined with the natural events destined to soon occur will see the back broken of such controlling negative influences. And really Mary and I by our coming to Earth broke the back of the Evil Ones control over humanity because we effectively stopped it. And all that’s been happening through our age is the outworking of this. So with the ending of our age you will see the breaking down of such control, and breaking down enough at least to allow a new way to be offered, that which you’re helping to reveal. The old ways will still remain, but as more and more people start to do their healing to heal themselves of their evilness, so their negative light will no longer be part of the equation, so humanity will change and gradually heal itself. But it’s to be a process over numerous ages, with the first and most decisive age beginning soon. So of course, should anything you read along the lines of an alien invasion or alien saviour coming, make you feel bad, then you have those bad feelings to express and uncover the truth of. But nothing like that is going to happen, humanity is going to have to work on itself, yet in the ways we are revealing to you, and no longer from only the perspective of mind. And the New Saviours have descended from the higher spirit spheres, they are already with you as we’ve told you. However they will not be as one might expect, as they will not be coming in their full glory descending out of the clouds or riding any white horse blowing any golden trumpets. They will just be by all accounts an ordinary woman and man, no one special it would seem, and no one anyone would even want to listen to unless they were intent on uncovering the truth of their soul. This couple will not be taking over the world and righting all that’s wrong, nothing like that, they will only be imparting the necessary truth required by humanity to start the long and arduous process of doing its healing and transforming itself from the negative mind and will states into that of being of true, perfect and positive natural love. And should people wish to actively also partake of the Mother’s and Father’s Divine Love, they will be able to include that in their healing as well, at least for the duration of the next spiritual age.
Thank you Jesus.
Speak to you soon James.
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Post by James on Apr 8, 2014 18:46:24 GMT 10
80. Alien Saviour continued... Monday, 2 November 2013
Jesus, further to what you were saying, I was reading more about how many people believe and seemed convinced through dreams and premonitions that Satan, the Deceiver, is going to come again, or come to Earth possibly even being the Alien Saviour, and being the long awaited Anti Christ.
It’s all the same thing James, however I will add that it would make sense - don’t you think - that at the beginning of Mary’s and my age we came being of true and pure light. Then humanity has taken all we said and used it along with the Divine Love to further its own evilness, the rebellion having progressed throughout our age. So wouldn’t you say it would be fitting for a person to ‘rise up’ claiming that he is the promised saviour and leader of men. He being not myself, but the arch deceiver of men.
Yes, I see what you mean, a fitting end to your age.
Yes, and that’s what is going to take place, the stage is being set, we’ve all been looking on seeing things coming to fruition having known they would all those years ago.
You saw it all back then?
Mary and I understand what it was through our soul-perceptions that would transpire, it being what the Mother and Father wanted.
It just dawned on me: that in a way we need to develop our own homegrown - so to speak - Lucifer.
Yes. And a Mr and Mr’s Lucifer in fact, as it’s always a soul-pair that’s involved.
I’ve read it’s speculated the AntiChrist might be gay with his offsider the clairvoyant being his lover, or something along those lines, I think. I’ve read so much of all this stuff I’m going a bit bonkers, and I can’t retain any of it. But a gay couple would be even more fitting.
I’m not going to say anything further about it James, only to say it would be something you might expect, that such a couple were to step up and try to take the ‘throne’. And I am not saying wether or not they will be a straight or gay couple, it’s not for me to reveal, however all will revealed in time, that you can count on, because the spiritual energy of the rebellion against Mary and I has to come to a head, it’s got be reach a conclusion - an End Time, and one in which it all can be seen to fail.
Thank you Jesus.
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Post by James on Apr 9, 2014 18:19:12 GMT 10
81. Promised Revealer? Tuesday, 3 November 2013
In thinking about what you said Jesus, would you mind if we go over some of it again?
Not at all James, what would you like to know?
I’m increasingly struck - if that’s the right way to say that - by the AntiChrist being the culmination of yours and Mary’s age, so a person who would stand up and claim, so I would imagine, to be yourself, or even God perhaps, or Lucifer... or...
Or himself but one who is of Great Light, and the ‘Promised Revealer’ - even the ‘Promised Redeemer’, one who is going to lead the ‘good humanity’ to the Light, to the Promised Land, out of the Darkness and into the Light.
Has there been a Promised Revealer?
In certain circles, yes.
And what is he - and I assume it’s a he - meant to reveal? I mean obviously it will be ‘The Way’, but what will that way consist of?
Essentially a mix of contemporary Christian religious doctrine and many of the so-called, ‘enlightened’ New Age philosophies.
All that mind controlling stuff such as we create our own reality and thinking love and light.
Yes, along those lines. I can’t be more specific I’m afraid, I’d give too much away, but you can imagine the sort of thing I think.
So he’ll basically reveal nothing new.
That’s right. There is nothing new to be revealed to negative minded humanity, you’ve got it all, all you need to go on with. There is however a whole new way, the true Way of Light, as Mary and I have been speaking with you about, but that will only appeal to those people who are sincerely wanting to uncover the truth of themselves and who will be prepared to do the hard work of healing their evilness. Everyone else will be looking for a new leader to lead them out of the darkness only they will fail to realise it’s just more of the same mind control leading them even deeper into their negative states. But it will be what a lot of people will need - or will believe they will need, and as such people will not be prepared to look to their feelings to uncover their truth, so the Pied Piper will lead his merry followers along the Yellow Brick Road further into the untruth. He will be a ‘false light’ seen to be ‘shinning bright’ and many people will be bedazzled and beguiled by him being more than happy to do as he says. And the fact that he will have such a large following with show that something is wrong, because only the untruth will command such an army of followers, as too few people will want to do the hard work of looking deeper into themselves through their feelings to see what’s really going on within them.
And presumably whilst he’s doing his thing, the Avonal pair will be doing their’s, so the real light of truth will also be shinning away.
Yes, however I can’t be more forthcoming on the actual timing of events. The Avonals might come after him or at the same time, they might even begin before him... you’ll just have to wait and see James.
And the antichrist is a person, not a group of people as I was also reading.
Yes, it has to be a person, it all has to be played out on the personal level, as that’s how it began with Mary and I. There will be a number or powerful institutions that support and fund him, so he will have a lot of group support, but it will all still be centred around him.
And what about the Muslims and Islam in it all, I was reading he might even originate from that side of things.
There will be certain influences involved in it from ‘that side of things’ as you say, but again I’m sorry as I can’t tell any more. And really I’m only telling you what I am so you can gain the picture of he representing the culmination of Mary’s and my age, for ideally it should be us who come again as I said we would at the end of our age, but as that’s not to happen despite what it says in the Bible, and with my second coming of truth to James Padgett, so the stage is left open to this man. And really when you think about it, it’s quite fitting. Because really it would be Caligastia descending to claim the thrown of Earth at the completion of the Rebellion, had it been completely successful; but with Adam and Even only defaulting, and the surprise visit of Mary and myself, so the Evil Ones plans were disrupted. So it won’t be the pair of the descending local Son and Daughter who will claim the physical thrown of Earth, it will be a man homegrown as I said, and not a spirit who assumes the mantle of the Devil, Satan - the Evil One in disguise as the ‘New Christ’. And with that James, I will bid you good evening, you are tired and I’ve said enough for the time being about this subject. Of course there will more later, but you’ve got to work through more levels within yourself of your negative state before we can move onto such things. So I’ll speak to soon. Jesus.
So there will be two new Christ’s, the false one (and possibly a partner or offsider); and the true ones (a man and woman)?
Yes.
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