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Post by James on Nov 2, 2013 12:14:15 GMT 10
Receiving God’s Divine Love and feeling bad
We read Jesus and the Celestials spirits wonderful messages in the Padgett Messages about longing directly and personally to the Heavenly Father for His Divine Love, this being what a lot of people have done feeling the Love flowing into their soul, and making them feel good.
However, what happens when you are praying and longing for the Divine Love, and you know or sense or can feel it coming into your soul, and even though you feel good for a time, still all those bad feelings keep plaguing you. What do you do to make them go away - pray for more Divine Love? And is it right that you do try and make them go away?
We gain the impression from the Padgett Messages, as it’s what the spirits say, that receiving the Divine Love will remove all our sins and errors, that somehow magically, as it’s not explained to clearly, all our yuk just dissolves away. And naturally we might think: well, as we’re invocating perfection as in the Divine Love into our imperfection, so the Divine Love being surely stronger will remove all our imperfection - making us perfect the more Love we receive. However unfortunately from my experiences, it doesn’t quite happen like this.
Certainly the Divine Love removes all sins and errors, but with our help. And in fact, we have to make the effort, we have to want to uncover the truth of our sins and errors, see them for what they are, understand why we have them, see what happened to us during our forming years to make us become imperfect, and see how we’re using our will to keep all our yuk in place, all by denying certain feelings.
So really, in partaking of the Divine Love we should feel good as it flows into us, but also keep feeling bad as it helps raise our imperfection through your feelings up in us, using those bad feelings to move deeper into understanding ourselves as we do our soul-healing with the Divine love. And as we uncover the truth of ourselves through our healing, as we slowly increase in perfection as we heal ourselves becoming true, then the Divine Love can act upon and transform those perfect natural love parts of ourselves. But the Divine Love will not take over or interfere with our negative and so bad feeling state, it will not magically sweep all our pain away. God wouldn’t do that to us, because having subjected us to such horror what would be the point of that. We start off in our unloving states of mind and will imposed on us by our parents, so we can learn what it’s like to live in such an evil way, in such a self and feeling-denial state. So if we decide we’ve have enough of living in our deluded untrue states, God will help us every step of the way to heal ourselves of our yuk and imperfection; and all the way along, should we wish, we can also long for God’s Divine Love.
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Post by James on Nov 2, 2013 12:15:55 GMT 10
Aron: Hello James, I’ve just read your post and I agree with some of what you are saying. I have prayed for the Divine Love and felt good that I have it in my soul, and I have felt very good at times, lasting weeks and even months, but sooner or later I start to feel bad again and always feel I have to pray for more Love to make me feel those good feelings again. So what you’re saying is that I should accept those bad feelings instead of trying to pray them away.
And, if you say in the short term the Divine Love is not going to make us feel truly good, not until we’ve done our healing, why bother longing for it until then? And I can understand that it will only act upon our natural love perfect soul, so why do so many other people (myself included) who have partaken of the Divine Love say they feel their pain is easing, that they are feeling more loving, and that the Father is taking all their bad stuff away.
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Post by James on Nov 2, 2013 12:17:36 GMT 10
NB: Aron is a Celestial spirit
Hi Aron, welcome to the forum. It’s not that the Divine Love will not make us feel good, it’s just that when we’re so full of repressed bad feelings that we’re refusing to acknowledge, any good feelings brought about by the Divine Love should end up getting swamped by the bad feelings, should one want to accept such bad feelings looking to uncover the truth of them. When we have no more repressed bad feelings in us, then I would image we’d feel wonderful being full of Divine Love and living expressing such love.
And why one would be longing for the Love is to ultimately transform ones soul into the same essence as the Mother and Father are, as said in the Padgett Messages. To become immortal divine souls, instead of living in our mortal natural love states. I have come to understand it’s not only about longing for the Love solely to make you feel good, happy and loved, and to make you be more loving, such things coming naturally once you’ve healed your negative state and being amplified by the inclusion of the Divine Love, but to begin your intimate and personal relationship with God - the relationship being the important thing. And to have such a genuine relationship with our Heavenly Parents we need to heal all that’s standing in the way of that, all our untruth. And we need to do that, it very important for us to understand the truth of our self and feeling denial, so it’s not going to me magically taken away from us. And believing that the Divine Love is somehow mysteriously doing that means you’re only going to be deluding yourself for longer about your negative state.
And so far as what you say about your feeling good from the Divine Love for weeks and months, I too felt that, and for two years kept trying to pray my annoying bad feelings away, but in the end they were too overwhelming and I felt like I was falling into a dark hole, which occurred at the time I met Marion. She then told me about childhood repression and that if I wanted to become true, I had to bring out all my untruth - express all the repressed yuk out of me, and then perhaps I would keep feeling good because of the Divine Love in my soul. And that made sense, so I started doing my healing following what she was doing for herself.
So as far as I’m concerned, this based entirely on my own experiences, those people who say the love is making them feel better and better, that it is taking all their yuk away, are lying to themselves, it all being part of what they believe they should feel upon partaking of the Divine Love. And as feeling bad contradicts their beliefs - that having more and more of God’s Love in your soul should surely make you into a more happy and loving person, so they have to put on the act of being loving. All that only keeps them further from their true selves.
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Post by James on Nov 2, 2013 12:18:09 GMT 10
Aron: So you reckon those people who say they have been receiving the Love for years and are growing in love and truth and understanding, feeling better and better about themselves and their lives, are lying to themselves?
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Post by James on Nov 2, 2013 12:18:32 GMT 10
Of course I don’t know what another person is feeling, and I can’t speak for anyone else, however from my observations over the years of people who are longing specifically for the Divine Love and saying they are reaping the benefits from it, yet are not doing their soul-healing, yes, I would say they are lying to themselves. I would say they are using the Love to further their negative state, to further their feeling and self-denial. And I would expect that one day they will have to accept that they don’t feel as good as they are pretending to feel, and will be forced to wonder what they have actually been doing all that time.
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Post by James on Nov 2, 2013 12:19:07 GMT 10
Aron: So what do you mean by saying they are using the Love to further deny themselves. If this is true, that means they are using the Father to further deny themselves. So they are not loving the Father truly, but only using the Father to progress in their self-denial.
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Post by James on Nov 2, 2013 12:19:40 GMT 10
Yes, that’s exactly right. They are already in a negative state; we all are, and no matter whether we can accept it or not, we’re all evil. And so being evil we’re denying God, we’re turning our backs on God saying we know better than You. And that’s shown by our refusing to live true to our soul, by persisting on denying parts of ourself through our feeling denial. And so all we do, all the so-called love and loving things we do, are to further our evilness, because we’re doing all we can to move further away from all that’s true and good and perfect, even though we mistakenly believe we’re doing all we do to move closer to it. So the Divine Love is the same. Jesus being perfect and true told us we can long to God for it. And we can, many people are doing it and feeling it come into their soul. But as we’re evil, so we are then taking on that perfection, all that the Divine Love is - God, and effectively using it to further add to our evilness. So yes, we’re using God by using the Divine Love, or at least we’re trying to, when we can’t actually really do it. But with our minds we believe the Divine Love is empower us so we can use that power to further our evilness. And I know a lot of people won’t want to look at this way, however it’s what I’ve had to accept about myself. I used the Mother and Father and Their Love for my own ends, until I understood about myself being evil and living in my negative state and that I needed to heal myself of it if I wanted to have a truly loving relationship with Them.
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Post by Gary Sanders on Nov 12, 2013 10:40:57 GMT 10
Hello, I just wanted to say thanks for putting a little truth out on the net, I have read all of the Padgett messages. It has changed my life and as far as healing that comes when the fathers love , divine love flowes into you and you have not wrong thoughts , its changed my life giving me peace and happyness and so much more I could write pages, I finally understand , truth is power. Keep up the good work.
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Post by James on Nov 12, 2013 12:41:23 GMT 10
Hi Gary, and if you come by again, how would you feel about sharing some examples of how your life has changed because of the Divine Love. What I'm most interested in is how do you know the Divine Love has been what's done it - before and after examples of how you were I guess. That would be a good subject of a thread.
Please feel free to write pages!!!
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Post by James on Nov 20, 2013 21:56:18 GMT 10
Aron what’s it like for you spirits when you first start receiving the Divine Love; and do some spirits use it to further deny God?
Aron: Yes. You have a lot of people coming into spirit who have Divine Love in their soul. Mostly, as was the case up until Jesus and the Celestials spoke to James Padgett, you had spirits who had longed for God’s Divine Love and had received it into their soul but were unaware of the real significance of the Love. I was one such spirit. My family was very religious going to Church regularly to receive the blessings of the Lord, and my desire for God to love me and my love for God was strong, and consequently I received some Love into my soul. It was the Holy Spirit that I believed was ‘God’s Presence’ and so God blessing me, but I had no idea about the Divine Love as to what was revealed by Jesus to Mr. Padgett. And so being in an anti truth state of mind and will, and being as I now know I was, denying God as I was denying myself by denying my feelings, so I used the Divine Love to ‘further my faith and belief’ in my religion. So I was evilly using God this way, as you have been coming to understand one can do. When I arrived in spirit I was greeted by many spirits some of whom were Celestial spirits although I didn’t know that at the time. I was given some time to settle into my new spirit life in the first mansion world, still being an active member of our Church that had a larger following in the spirit worlds. And over a period of months, some of these Celestial spirits gently made advances toward me, asking me certain questions about myself, my beliefs and how I viewed my relationship with God, and how I wanted to further advance it. In speaking with them, which they did all very non-threateningly, I began to understand that some of how I saw and thought things to be were not right as in my body language and the meaning of the actual words I said didn’t add up upon closer analysis. I, unlike many other spirits who’d arrived in the mansion worlds with Divine Love in their soul, liked what these Celestial spirits said and there was something else about them I found alluring and intriguing that I couldn’t quite put my finger on. And anyway, our relationship developed, I was very attracted to one of the women spirits, and following my hearts desires that way, opened me up to all she said about the truths of Divine Love. And the further I went with her the more I began to see that I was going to limit myself and my true souls progress if I wanted to involve myself in the activities of the first mansion world to the exclusion of all else. Many of my friends and some of my family had done just that, it’s tremendous to suddenly be given a whole new life as an adult, with so many things available to you, and feeling so free, just a free-for-all indulgence and the sheer pleasure of it. So the allurements and pleasures of the mind mansion worlds are certainly there and larger than life compared to what my Earth life had been. And I would say that if I’d not had the attraction to the Celestial woman spirit that I had, I would have probably gone off and indulged myself in all that the mind worlds had to offer. So as it was I was led by her to the Divine Love mansion worlds as I’d received enough Divine Love in my soul to qualify my entry into world three. But having moved there, slowly I began to become aware of the great gulf between me and this woman spirit, which led to more questions and discussions and her explaining to me about how I had to do my healing should I want to be as spiritual as her. And no, James, answering the question in your mind, she wasn’t my soul-mate, she was just a woman I was very attractive to. You see my relationship with my wife had run its course before I died (I died five years before she did), this we both understood staying together more out of habit and for outward appearances than any real love we had for each other. And still I yearned for true love, for someone I could sweep off their feet and be swept off mine by. My fantasy for the princess was still very strong. So feeling so good in spirit, the light filling me with new feelings that I’d not had time to assimilate, I fell in love with my new Celestial spirit friend, completely misinterpreting her natural affection for me - for another soul. I wanted to have spirit sex with her, for us both to become madly head over heels in love with each other, but once I’d moved into the Divine Love world then I started to settle down and change, having to face the fact that that wasn’t going to happen, and in fact, I’d got it all wrong. And slowly she helped me face the reality that I had a very long way to go before the likes of her would be able to be with me. And as Celestials no longer have the emotional need to have sex or even be in fantasy love as I did, so I had to give her up, at least looking to be with her that way. I could still have her as a friend, and that friendship continued right the way through my healing, my healing as you understand, taking me up through the Divine Love mansion worlds, until, having healed myself, gained entry - was invited - into the first Celestial sphere. I’m sorry for going on a bit with my story, but I hope it might illustrate how for all of us, as we are, we’ve all got our own individual agendas going on, and it takes time before one can change and move to understanding about the Divine Love and ones relationship with God whilst one is in such an anti truth state. So a lot of spirits with the Divine Love take time to ‘come around’ as you might say, just as you are observing in many people with the Divine Love on Earth.
Only we don’t have loving Celestial spirits to come and nurture and guide us to the truth.
No you don’t, you only have each other. We Celestials are there with you nevertheless, playing our parts with you; but no, that’s still not quite the same thing as having someone of such a level of truth in person and flesh there to help you, and being only focused on helping you align yourself the right way so you can get on with your healing. Many spirits take a long time coming and going from the first Divine Love world, as they have other things they want to do in the mind worlds, so many such spirits with Divine Love in their souls are still actively denying God in one way or another. And as you know, we’re all denying the Mother and Father right the way through the mansion worlds, becoming less evil as we heal ourselves moving closer to the Celestial spheres. But until you start your healing in earnest, and by that I mean, until you fully commit yourself to it, you will not be focused enough to ascend as efficiently as you could.
Thank you Aron.
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