A little more from Jesus and Mary
Jan 24, 2016 23:14:57 GMT 10
Post by James on Jan 24, 2016 23:14:57 GMT 10
Having not spoken with Jesus or Mary for some time, certain events led me to speaking with Jesus these past couple of days. I've only read over his 'messages' once, so I'm sorry if they are a bit rough. I'm posting them because he goes over IT all again and adds - as he always does - a bit more. I found my concentration and focus whilst writing with him even more focused and intense this time, making me feel very good. I can't see or even sense him being with me, but I feel a strong light within me as I write with him - that being about the best way I can describe how it feels working with him, and it's the same with Mary when I write with her.
Saturday, 23 January 2016
Jesus?
Yes James, I liked what you wrote to Susan and totally agree with all you said. I just wanted to say that to you so you could feel my approval.
Thank you. I don’t know as yet if I will post it on the Divine Love forum she has joined, however I wanted to have a go at answering her question.
And you wanted to also speak to Mary and myself?
Yes, about whether or not it’s true that some of the elite controllers of the world are indeed Satanists who are endeavouring to bring the Antichrist into being, either through some portal, allowing what I think amounts to some high mind spirit to manifest on Earth, or just to raise someone on Earth to the position of the ‘Hated One’.
On the subject of the portal, such an event will not be allowed to happen, although there is some truth in what you read concerning secret experiments taking place trying to bring about such an event - to open the gateway into spirit allowing people to move freely into a higher dimension and spirits to move freely onto Earth. However such a thing is only a fantasy - for the mind of science fiction. In theory such an opening between worlds and dimensions could happen, but in reality won’t ever happen because that is not what life is all about. You are to grow in truth through your feelings, and whilst you are denying such a way of life by living untrue to yourself in your rebellious states, even less would you be able to access such an altered state were it even to exist. So people wanting to head in that direction are only going to come up against a dead end.
So far as the elite controllers of your world trying to bring about the Antichrist, one that is what you might say ‘home grown’, is indeed happening behind the scenes and with a lot of help and guidance from a small and select and very elite group of sixth world spirits. They are well in control of things in the mind mansion worlds, and are desiring to exert that control over everyone on Earth, hence the notion of One World Religion and the New World Order.
Some, not much, but a little of what you read is on the pulse of such behind the scenes goings on, but it’s all so mixed up it would be like trying to find the little truth that exists in the Bible in and amongst all the untruth. And I’m not about to try and sort it out for you James. It’s of no concern to you. It doesn’t take much imagination or reasoning to conclude - and rightly so - that the world is run by a very small secretive and select group of individuals, for it is, but as to who they are and what they have in mind is neither here nor there as to what is going to happen spiritually - and by that I mean, to do with the truth.
The religions and spiritual systems of the world will continue competing for the minds of men and women, and things will come to a head, and many prophecies will fail to unfold bringing much disappointment, and yet other prophecies will come to fruition, just possibly not the prophecies the majority might he hoping will happen.
Still James I have to be evasive and only speak generally with you, I can’t be direct, not until you’ve finished your healing, so you’ll just have to bear with me and my not telling you about such things in more detail. And I am sure you understand.
I do Jesus, nothing will happen until I finish it, that much I’m coming to understand - but will I ever finish it? Every day I’m taken deeper into my feelings feeling how unloved I am and how miserable I am feeling that way. I can’t see I will ever get to the bottom of it - see all the truth of it. It’s too much, it’s the whole of me, every breath I’ve breathed, every moment of my existence since conception, so there’s too much to undo for one life time. I want to finish it before I die, and I’d love to think all you and Mary have told me is right and will come true, but lately I’ve been thinking that I’ll have to complete it in spirit, provided it can even be completed. I don’t even know about that, and can’t know until it happens. Marion’s been helping me face those truths of late.
Yes I know, and she’s right. You can’t know ahead of time, you can be told, and we’ve told you, but you can’t know until you’ve experienced it for yourself.
So I will not say any more as there’s no need to. Everything is going along perfectly - as you would expect it to. And even though we’ve not spoken for some time, Mary and I are still with you - constantly tuned into you and Marion, so we know all you’re thinking and feeling.
Mary would like me to pass on her love to you both, as I give you both my love, and we’ll speak again soon.
Good work James - Jesus.
Sunday, 24 January 2016
Jesus, having spoken with you the other night, I read more about the contemporary Divine Love channels and mediums of which Nicholas is one. And seeing how doggedly they stay within the parameters as outlined by the PM, and how the Celestials they speak with go along with them not crossing over the line into what I now consider ‘my side’ of things, that which includes the feminine - the Mother and Mary, and you being soulmates. I read where back in 2008 one of Nicholas’ messages said you and Mary are not soulmates, that you don’t need anything other than all the Father gives you, you being so close to Him. And I felt like touching base with you again about all of this, to see what you’d say and how I’d feel about it now.
Certainly James, whenever you feel like talking about anything, as we’ve said, we’re always available.
As you understand from all we’ve spoken about with you, I didn’t (which also includes Mary) come to Earth to disturb the status quo. And had they not killed me, they would have seen that I was not a real threat to their power, that I would have taken those who wanted to follow me away from what is now Israel probably into Greece along the coast, there finding016more people receptive to my teachings and not so enslaved to the doctrines of their faith and spiritual systems.
I only came to reveal the truth about the Divine Love, and to make people think about how they were living and to give them a little insight into the sorts of other ways they might like to treat themselves, each other and the animals under their care. I didn’t come to take over and rule and assert My Way over anyone else. And I still don’t live like that, still humanity is free to do as it pleases within the guidelines or parameters available to it. I will not come back and govern the whole world as is speculated for that is not my way, which I think is obvious when you look at how I conducted my life.
And so it was with the PM and what was allowed to be revealed in TUB, all the truth and information was to stay within the confines of Mary’s and my age, so nothing revealed was allowed to be more than what we would have said, and what we did reveal. And as we’ve told you, that didn’t include how to actually heal oneself of ones evilness - of the Rebellion; nor about Mary and I being soulmates and the existence of the Heavenly Mother because Mary stayed true to the denial of the feminine being unable to interfere with that, so unable to rise up and be in her true power.
And so if people want to remain within the limitations of Mary’s and my age, such as the likes of your brother and the other Divine Love channels, then the Celestial spirits will comply with their wishes for they are like Mary and myself, not wishing to interfere with anyone else, not wanting to assert themselves to the extent of taking over the other person making them have to deal with and confront things in themselves they are wanting to keep hidden, buried, and as far away from themselves as possible.
The Celestials, as it is with Mary and myself, are no longer of Earth, it’s not our place, we’re not living on it, so it’s really none of our business what transpires there, so we limit how much we say to such people because they are not wanting to uncover the truth of themselves, they are not wanting to end their rebellion against themselves, Mary and myself, the Mother and Father - natural love and Divine Love.
So if someone wants to believe Mary and I are soulmates, the Celestials will go along with that, but if they don’t want to believe it, then they will go along with that. It’s for each of you to look to your own feelings to feel what you feel about such things and to them live those truths. It is not for the likes of us to tell you what it’s all about, what you are to do and how to do it, what you are to believe, and you just give over to us and use your mind to blindly follow along. That is what so many people want to do, to give up their personal responsibility to their own soul, to let someone else lead and show them, and particularly someone else who has in their eyes a far greater power than themselves, all which they approve of.
I can relate to that, in many ways that’s what I want the Mother and Father to do, to just take me over and tell me what to do.
Which is what you wanted from your mother and father when it suited you and was to your liking, but was not what you wanted when it wasn’t. So what if the Mother and Father told you to do things you didn’t want to do, then what would happen - then what would do?
So you can see James, which you understand, the Mother and Father are not going to tell you or anyone else what to do and how they should live. We are all to find that out for ourselves through our feelings which give rise to the truth from our soul, and that is how we live, expressing the truth from our soul that is won out of life, all coming to us through our feelings; and it’s the same for us in spirit, we still have very strong feelings, stronger than when we were in flesh, just as we have a very strong mind, but one that supports our feelings and not one that is working against them.
And as I have told you, it’s important for a number of people to keep working with the information from the Padgett Messages and TUB expanding it somewhat with the help of the Celestial spirits, for it will remain the truest expression of Mary’s and my spiritual age. But we are not limited personally by our spiritual age, so we’ve been able to come to you and expand further on such things, bringing to light more of what you can understand, yet all only in accordance with what you and Marion have wanted to do and are living. However if you’d both had not wanted to step over the line into the ‘next age’, so to speak, then Mary and I along with the Celestials would not have worked with you concerning such things, we’d still be saying the same things we said to James Padgett and which these contemporary channels are having said to them.
It is good to be forced into questioning myself and all I’ve come to understand, to re-consider and think: what if I am wrong, what if Nicholas is right and you and Mary are not soulmates, and then try and go down that path, which I can’t do for very long.
No, because you soon come up against those same dead end thoughts you had that inspired and made you question everything, all of which has led you deeper into yourself and further into the truth.
Mary and I ARE soulmates. You can feel and sense that, your whole being is happy with that, whereas to go the other way you don’t feel good. And so for yourself, you will stay with what makes you feel good - for of course you will, just as will your brother stay with what makes him feel good. And as he is not wanting to heal himself of his childhood repression, that which is the greatest expression of your rebellion and wrongness, and you are, so the two of you have greatly diverged, with your self-questioning leading you deeper into yourself and consequently further along in the truth. You couldn’t confront and deal with your childhood repression to the extent that you and Marion are doing and remain happy with the PM and even TUB, for their limitations become too glaringly obvious, they don’t match up with what you are living, the feelings you feel and thoughts they give rise to. And if there wasn’t any alternative available to you, then at some point you would have had to let these two works go as you stepped out into the unknown, which is effectively what you’ve both done.
Yes, I see what you mean, meeting Marion and her talking about all the feeling repression, that’s what did it for me, that took me out of being able to stay limited by my mind and the parameters set by the PM and TUB.
Which is where you and Nicholas parted ways. And having him as your brother and seeing how he refused to take what you and Marion offered him about the greater truths and how to heal himself of his wrongness, so you’ve had first hand experience as to the limitations set by the PM and TUB and how one has to stay unyielding to any deeper personal scrutiny so as to stay with them.
And then you came across Alice Miller’s work and she confirmed on a professional level that which you were feeling and finding in yourselves was true, that she and others were looking along those lines, which helped to move even further into the new truths of yourselves you were revealing through your feelings. And then Mary and I and the other spirits who’ve you’ve spoken with have only gone along with you, expanding along the lines you set down, but still not overstepping the boundaries with you; for you are to find it all out for yourselves, which is how any true Celestial spirit ‘guide’ will help their person, helping them to uncover the truth for themselves through their own feelings; which is how we all grow, doing it by ourselves and with only really the help from our Mother and Father - that help coming through our soul. And then we all express those truths we reveal, which has an effect upon the other person and outside world, which in turn creates more experiences for us, so more feelings, so we can then use those feelings to uncover yet more truth. So we all help each other as we help ourselves, but we have to tend to ourselves first and in the right way, that being with and through our feelings.
I decided against posting my reply on the Divine Love forum to Susan answering her questions, which I feel can only be answered by stepping over the line and moving out from the limitations of the PM. I spoke to Marion about the reasons why I wanted to post to her and none of them turned out to be true.
Which is how you are to work out what you want to do in life. As you understand, you are saturated James with other people telling you how to be and what to do and not do, it was all you got growing up and it’s all still within you. So how can you know if anything you do or say is true? You can’t, so all you can do is talk about it all from your feelings as you feel such things and see what happens, and the truth comes, and like you are saying: now in this moment your truth is not to post to her, whereas you also know, in the next moment your feelings might change... or they might not and you end up never posting it to her.
Yes, and I love being able to speak about it all and what I feel like doing changes as I express myself. And so often I see it’s not really me, or not me in that moment of my wrongness, and so I don’t do what I thought I would do, feeling good that my mind is no longer in there controlling or trying to controlling things.
It’s all good James, all how you are to live, how you are live through your feelings. Life is not to be lived through the mind, if it were that way everything would be formulated and very quickly become very dull and boring with it also limiting the amount of truth you could gain from any experience. The truth from mind-generated experiences would very quickly reach an end point - you’d become the automaton. Whereas with feelings there is an endless amount to be gained from every experience, and every experience only makes more feelings and so more experience, so there is infinite and eternal truth to be found. Feelings are ever-expansive whereas living with the mind in control of your feelings is life-annihilating, which is what you are all experiencing. Your parents forced to you comply and to live according to their minds, their beliefs, and those of other minds - society, and look how that made you feel. Whereas you are now beginning to see, life with your feelings (now you’re becoming less afraid of them) is becoming an open-ended joy, something that’s always changing, never fixed, and something that can even potentially, which will happen once you’ve completed your healing, always make you feel good. And not only good, but increasingly happier and happier.
So which way would you rather live: that which is making you face and deal with the truth of your relationship with your parents, which for you James also includes the truth of Mary and I being soulmates and the existence of your Heavenly Mother with your Heavenly Father; or, living within the confines of the PM and TUB and still within your relationship with your parents as it was established and outlined - dictated - by them? Do you chose to stay as you are in your wrongness never confronting the truth of your relationship with your parents, never looking to and acknowledging those feelings in your relationship with them that don’t make you feel good, and then fitting the PM and TUB and anything else nicely into that; or, or do you move on from them, taking what you can from them and looking deeper into yourself, discovering the whole truth of your relationship with your parents, fully acknowledging every bad feeling that is within you to do with those relationships, and looking for the truth of why you feel bad, which is then smashing your so-called loving relationship with them apart, all of which you can feel IS healing your wrongness, healing your evilness, and ending your participating in the Rebellion.
To heal yourself of your wrongness, to end your rebelliousness, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TRUTH OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR PARENTS. And all you see will only make you feel bad, because they made you feel bad. There is no other way out of it. Your parents inducted you into the Rebellion. So to free yourself of it you have to free yourself of them. And neither God, the Divine Love, nor myself or Mary are going to come and set you free by magically taking away all your sins and errors. Why would be do that? Why would the Mother and Father subject you to the wrongness only to suddenly remove it all from you?
It’s a pity you didn’t put that last paragraph in the last PM.
It wasn’t my place to James. That’s for you to do.
Speak to you soon, love Jesus.
And a little while later:
Jesus, whilst I was thinking about what you said, you were telling me more things - would you please tell them to me again so I can write them down?
Certainly James. I was impressing upon you how specific Mary’s and my age is, that because of us being who we are - the Creator Pair, so our age in any world, and in your case on Earth, is very specific and really wholly unique unto itself. You could even say it is so out of the ordinary that in some ways it doesn’t fit in with the normal planetary flow of spiritually evolving ages, and yet it also does - just to sound contradictory. So in our case, Mary’s and my age didn’t fit in with the normal flow, for really all that was needed was an Avonal Pair to come and reveal the way out of rebellion and the truth about the Divine Love, and yet we came and only did the part about the Divine Love, and yet at the same time by our coming terminated the instigators of the Rebellion in our universe, so we used Earth to end the Rebellion in Nebadon.
And so what I was saying to you was that the Divine Love groups are to grow to be the same in relative size as were the number of followers of myself when I was on Earth. And so as there was only a very small number of people who followed Mary and myself back then, so too will there only be relatively a very small number of people who follow us - follow what I have re-revealed - in the PM. The Christian church having nothing whatsoever to do with Mary and myself, you understand.
And part of your reluctance to interfere with these Divine Love groups who wholly stay true the ‘PM teachings’, is so as not to interfere with them building up slowly in numbers to fill the mandate and needs of Mary’s and my spiritual age.
So you see, our age will be complete in and of itself. As it began, so shall it end, with those people who are living only the truths of the Divine Love and what the Celestials impart to them being the custodians of what Mary and I revealed when on Earth, just as the apostles - both men and women - and everyone else who believed in and followed us and tried to live as we said, were the custodians of the truths and information we revealed back then.
So the so-called ‘Divine Love Movement’ won’t amount to much in terms of numbers.
No, it won’t go anywhere.
Even you encouraged James Padgett and those people in it to keep spreading the word.
Yes, because the word needs to get out there enough so as to bring to it that amount of people so required by the needs of our age. And you are helping in this too by promoting the PM, even at times more than your own work, all so as to help the fulfilment of our age. Our age has to come to completion, which it will, and the Divine Love Movement is simply part of that. And once it’s completed at the end of the age, so it will then serve as the foundation stone if you like, for the ages to come, that being, the first of the ‘Healing Ages’ that mankind will enter, it being primed by the truths that you and Marion are revealing along with all Mary and I add to them. And the next age will then be characterised by the likes of those who are with you on your forum in your currently small ‘movement’. And it’s conceivable that some people from the ‘Divine Love Movement’ will want to move on further and so in time join your movement, but mostly those who just want to stay with what the Celestials and I revealed will do so right through to the end of their lives, there to find out the truth of what their healing really involves, just as did Helen and James Padgett, when they come into spirit.
And so those people who it is their destiny to stay true to the PM, will do so, and nothing you say will appeal to them, and nor will they understand the significance of doing your Soul-Healing with the Divine Love as you define it. Which is the same as all those people who will ‘go to their graves’ believing in the tenets of their church or religious faith taking such beliefs with them into spirit. Which is just as it was at the beginning of Mary’s and my age, as it was right the way through it, as it is now at the end of it. And because the truths of the Divine Love were ‘lost’, so I had to come again to James Padgett so as to pass them across to humanity for the fulfilment of our age.
I’ve not been writing much lately, not feeling like trying to get anyone interested in their healing, and now with what you’re saying, really it’s not my place to do, is it, for it’s not part of yours and Mary’s age. And I wouldn’t want to interfere with that.
Technically it’s not part of it, but because you are alive and so here now in it, so you are free to do as you say and have your say, as is anyone else. But as you now pretty much understand what it’s all about and what the next age will consist of spiritually, so far as the truths are concerned that will concern those people who want to grow in truth and heal themselves of their wrongness, you are feeling less inclined to do anything within our age. And you don’t have to either, there is no pressure on you, there is nothing to say that you should, this too you’re slowly allowing yourself to acknowledge.
Yes, as I’m getting rid of all the inner pressure from Gran and mum telling me how I should be. It’s such a big thing in me to do, if I can help someone, which means, tell them what to do and how to be, which I think would be better and more benifical for them, then I should. But I don’t want to do that, all for my own ego, all because mum and Gran are telling me to.
So you are feeling not to impose yourself on them, rightly understanding that unless they come directly to you wanting your help then it’s not incumbent upon you to give it. And even then if they do come asking you for help, you still don’t have to give it just because they are asking you for it. You do what you feel - always, and the truer you become the easier that becomes.
So Jesus, just to go over it again, there is not going to be any Divine Love movement that comes in a takes over the world?
No, it can’t happen, because the powers that be when I was on Earth got rid of me and didn’t want to hear anything Mary had to say. So it won’t happen now either. And it would just end up fading away with time, the PM would become distorted and subtly changed until once again all meaning would be lost from them along with the truth of the Divine Love. It will only survive because you and Marion and those who are supporting you and living the truth of doing their soul-healing with the Divine Love, include it in their lives; it will be you who ‘keep the home fires burning’, as it should be, because it shouldn’t exist by itself, it’s not meant to be alone, just a few truths called the Padgett Messages and a little about longing for the Divine Love. It is meant to be incorporated into the greater spiritual message, all that’s in the PM and all the truths and correct information brought through by well-meaning Divine Love channels and mediums, together with all that’s in The Urantia Book, will in time be all apart of your work together with all what people who work with you reveal themselves. If you like, the PM are the heart of the message, but the whole body needs to include all about the healing on a technical level and all that the healing entails through direct experience of doing it. And as you can’t just have the heart separately beating alone without the rest of the body, so the PM’s and even the Divine Love will do nothing for you without doing your healing. And those people who are choosing to stay true to it only, are showing you that James. Over the years of observing them and knowing where your brother is coming from, even after his speaking with all the spirits he does, and with all his longing for the Love, still he has not ventured into doing his full soul-healing, and so that shows you that just the Divine Love by itself it not enough to advance your soul in truth - to heal you of your rebellion.
I haven’t talked with him for years now, it would be good to see how he views his healing. I know he does feel he is healing, and possibly that he has even fully healed himself, but I imagine I’d still be able to see he is still the same particularly in his relationship with mum and dad - he hasn’t as yet rejected them, which he’d have to do. And if he did that, then I think he’d feel closer to and more understanding of what I’ve done and why. But nothing like that as yet has come from him.
And it’s what a lot of people tell themselves is their healing. They feel they change, which undoubtedly they do, but it’s only their mind and its beliefs, and mostly it’s just a reshuffling of such beliefs, not actually getting rid of them, even though it might also include a bit of emotional work and even identifying and dealing with some of their issues with their parents. But it’s not their true and full healing; and as we’ve talked about before, it’s actually taking them further into their wrongness.
Yes, using the Divine Love to further deny oneself.
Yes. Using it to further deny Mary and I, the very people who they purport to be supporting, for it was the same with the apostles and followers of us back on Earth. They sincerely wanted to be with us, do as we said, be like us - follow us. And many believed they were. But they weren’t doing their healing as we’d not revealed the way to do it. So unbeknownst to them they were still advancing their wrongness whilst including the Divine Love and all we said, but there was nothing Mary or I could do about that, not until we were all in spirit and could then set about introducing them to the notion of healing their evilness. So it’s the same for those people in the Divine Love Movement, unbeknownst to them.
I find it all fascinating Jesus, and still my mind reels with: yes, it all sounds good, but what if it’s not true and I’m making it all up?
And it will continue to doubt James because you are still not true. But it’s good that you do, and so you should, all to help you feeling more feelings you can express and seek the truth of. And it would an unreasonable demand - and a false one - to put on yourself to believe that you should know it all without doubt.
I understand Jesus, but still I hate having the doubts, I wish I just did categorically know - once and for all.
Only so you can stop having those bad feelings James, just another way to avoid them.
Yeah, another way to block them out so I can pretend they are not there - more denial. Yes well I can see that, and as I don’t want to do that, so all I can do it keep expressing my doubts.
That’s right. Speak to you soon James - Jesus.
Saturday, 23 January 2016
Jesus?
Yes James, I liked what you wrote to Susan and totally agree with all you said. I just wanted to say that to you so you could feel my approval.
Thank you. I don’t know as yet if I will post it on the Divine Love forum she has joined, however I wanted to have a go at answering her question.
And you wanted to also speak to Mary and myself?
Yes, about whether or not it’s true that some of the elite controllers of the world are indeed Satanists who are endeavouring to bring the Antichrist into being, either through some portal, allowing what I think amounts to some high mind spirit to manifest on Earth, or just to raise someone on Earth to the position of the ‘Hated One’.
On the subject of the portal, such an event will not be allowed to happen, although there is some truth in what you read concerning secret experiments taking place trying to bring about such an event - to open the gateway into spirit allowing people to move freely into a higher dimension and spirits to move freely onto Earth. However such a thing is only a fantasy - for the mind of science fiction. In theory such an opening between worlds and dimensions could happen, but in reality won’t ever happen because that is not what life is all about. You are to grow in truth through your feelings, and whilst you are denying such a way of life by living untrue to yourself in your rebellious states, even less would you be able to access such an altered state were it even to exist. So people wanting to head in that direction are only going to come up against a dead end.
So far as the elite controllers of your world trying to bring about the Antichrist, one that is what you might say ‘home grown’, is indeed happening behind the scenes and with a lot of help and guidance from a small and select and very elite group of sixth world spirits. They are well in control of things in the mind mansion worlds, and are desiring to exert that control over everyone on Earth, hence the notion of One World Religion and the New World Order.
Some, not much, but a little of what you read is on the pulse of such behind the scenes goings on, but it’s all so mixed up it would be like trying to find the little truth that exists in the Bible in and amongst all the untruth. And I’m not about to try and sort it out for you James. It’s of no concern to you. It doesn’t take much imagination or reasoning to conclude - and rightly so - that the world is run by a very small secretive and select group of individuals, for it is, but as to who they are and what they have in mind is neither here nor there as to what is going to happen spiritually - and by that I mean, to do with the truth.
The religions and spiritual systems of the world will continue competing for the minds of men and women, and things will come to a head, and many prophecies will fail to unfold bringing much disappointment, and yet other prophecies will come to fruition, just possibly not the prophecies the majority might he hoping will happen.
Still James I have to be evasive and only speak generally with you, I can’t be direct, not until you’ve finished your healing, so you’ll just have to bear with me and my not telling you about such things in more detail. And I am sure you understand.
I do Jesus, nothing will happen until I finish it, that much I’m coming to understand - but will I ever finish it? Every day I’m taken deeper into my feelings feeling how unloved I am and how miserable I am feeling that way. I can’t see I will ever get to the bottom of it - see all the truth of it. It’s too much, it’s the whole of me, every breath I’ve breathed, every moment of my existence since conception, so there’s too much to undo for one life time. I want to finish it before I die, and I’d love to think all you and Mary have told me is right and will come true, but lately I’ve been thinking that I’ll have to complete it in spirit, provided it can even be completed. I don’t even know about that, and can’t know until it happens. Marion’s been helping me face those truths of late.
Yes I know, and she’s right. You can’t know ahead of time, you can be told, and we’ve told you, but you can’t know until you’ve experienced it for yourself.
So I will not say any more as there’s no need to. Everything is going along perfectly - as you would expect it to. And even though we’ve not spoken for some time, Mary and I are still with you - constantly tuned into you and Marion, so we know all you’re thinking and feeling.
Mary would like me to pass on her love to you both, as I give you both my love, and we’ll speak again soon.
Good work James - Jesus.
Sunday, 24 January 2016
Jesus, having spoken with you the other night, I read more about the contemporary Divine Love channels and mediums of which Nicholas is one. And seeing how doggedly they stay within the parameters as outlined by the PM, and how the Celestials they speak with go along with them not crossing over the line into what I now consider ‘my side’ of things, that which includes the feminine - the Mother and Mary, and you being soulmates. I read where back in 2008 one of Nicholas’ messages said you and Mary are not soulmates, that you don’t need anything other than all the Father gives you, you being so close to Him. And I felt like touching base with you again about all of this, to see what you’d say and how I’d feel about it now.
Certainly James, whenever you feel like talking about anything, as we’ve said, we’re always available.
As you understand from all we’ve spoken about with you, I didn’t (which also includes Mary) come to Earth to disturb the status quo. And had they not killed me, they would have seen that I was not a real threat to their power, that I would have taken those who wanted to follow me away from what is now Israel probably into Greece along the coast, there finding016more people receptive to my teachings and not so enslaved to the doctrines of their faith and spiritual systems.
I only came to reveal the truth about the Divine Love, and to make people think about how they were living and to give them a little insight into the sorts of other ways they might like to treat themselves, each other and the animals under their care. I didn’t come to take over and rule and assert My Way over anyone else. And I still don’t live like that, still humanity is free to do as it pleases within the guidelines or parameters available to it. I will not come back and govern the whole world as is speculated for that is not my way, which I think is obvious when you look at how I conducted my life.
And so it was with the PM and what was allowed to be revealed in TUB, all the truth and information was to stay within the confines of Mary’s and my age, so nothing revealed was allowed to be more than what we would have said, and what we did reveal. And as we’ve told you, that didn’t include how to actually heal oneself of ones evilness - of the Rebellion; nor about Mary and I being soulmates and the existence of the Heavenly Mother because Mary stayed true to the denial of the feminine being unable to interfere with that, so unable to rise up and be in her true power.
And so if people want to remain within the limitations of Mary’s and my age, such as the likes of your brother and the other Divine Love channels, then the Celestial spirits will comply with their wishes for they are like Mary and myself, not wishing to interfere with anyone else, not wanting to assert themselves to the extent of taking over the other person making them have to deal with and confront things in themselves they are wanting to keep hidden, buried, and as far away from themselves as possible.
The Celestials, as it is with Mary and myself, are no longer of Earth, it’s not our place, we’re not living on it, so it’s really none of our business what transpires there, so we limit how much we say to such people because they are not wanting to uncover the truth of themselves, they are not wanting to end their rebellion against themselves, Mary and myself, the Mother and Father - natural love and Divine Love.
So if someone wants to believe Mary and I are soulmates, the Celestials will go along with that, but if they don’t want to believe it, then they will go along with that. It’s for each of you to look to your own feelings to feel what you feel about such things and to them live those truths. It is not for the likes of us to tell you what it’s all about, what you are to do and how to do it, what you are to believe, and you just give over to us and use your mind to blindly follow along. That is what so many people want to do, to give up their personal responsibility to their own soul, to let someone else lead and show them, and particularly someone else who has in their eyes a far greater power than themselves, all which they approve of.
I can relate to that, in many ways that’s what I want the Mother and Father to do, to just take me over and tell me what to do.
Which is what you wanted from your mother and father when it suited you and was to your liking, but was not what you wanted when it wasn’t. So what if the Mother and Father told you to do things you didn’t want to do, then what would happen - then what would do?
So you can see James, which you understand, the Mother and Father are not going to tell you or anyone else what to do and how they should live. We are all to find that out for ourselves through our feelings which give rise to the truth from our soul, and that is how we live, expressing the truth from our soul that is won out of life, all coming to us through our feelings; and it’s the same for us in spirit, we still have very strong feelings, stronger than when we were in flesh, just as we have a very strong mind, but one that supports our feelings and not one that is working against them.
And as I have told you, it’s important for a number of people to keep working with the information from the Padgett Messages and TUB expanding it somewhat with the help of the Celestial spirits, for it will remain the truest expression of Mary’s and my spiritual age. But we are not limited personally by our spiritual age, so we’ve been able to come to you and expand further on such things, bringing to light more of what you can understand, yet all only in accordance with what you and Marion have wanted to do and are living. However if you’d both had not wanted to step over the line into the ‘next age’, so to speak, then Mary and I along with the Celestials would not have worked with you concerning such things, we’d still be saying the same things we said to James Padgett and which these contemporary channels are having said to them.
It is good to be forced into questioning myself and all I’ve come to understand, to re-consider and think: what if I am wrong, what if Nicholas is right and you and Mary are not soulmates, and then try and go down that path, which I can’t do for very long.
No, because you soon come up against those same dead end thoughts you had that inspired and made you question everything, all of which has led you deeper into yourself and further into the truth.
Mary and I ARE soulmates. You can feel and sense that, your whole being is happy with that, whereas to go the other way you don’t feel good. And so for yourself, you will stay with what makes you feel good - for of course you will, just as will your brother stay with what makes him feel good. And as he is not wanting to heal himself of his childhood repression, that which is the greatest expression of your rebellion and wrongness, and you are, so the two of you have greatly diverged, with your self-questioning leading you deeper into yourself and consequently further along in the truth. You couldn’t confront and deal with your childhood repression to the extent that you and Marion are doing and remain happy with the PM and even TUB, for their limitations become too glaringly obvious, they don’t match up with what you are living, the feelings you feel and thoughts they give rise to. And if there wasn’t any alternative available to you, then at some point you would have had to let these two works go as you stepped out into the unknown, which is effectively what you’ve both done.
Yes, I see what you mean, meeting Marion and her talking about all the feeling repression, that’s what did it for me, that took me out of being able to stay limited by my mind and the parameters set by the PM and TUB.
Which is where you and Nicholas parted ways. And having him as your brother and seeing how he refused to take what you and Marion offered him about the greater truths and how to heal himself of his wrongness, so you’ve had first hand experience as to the limitations set by the PM and TUB and how one has to stay unyielding to any deeper personal scrutiny so as to stay with them.
And then you came across Alice Miller’s work and she confirmed on a professional level that which you were feeling and finding in yourselves was true, that she and others were looking along those lines, which helped to move even further into the new truths of yourselves you were revealing through your feelings. And then Mary and I and the other spirits who’ve you’ve spoken with have only gone along with you, expanding along the lines you set down, but still not overstepping the boundaries with you; for you are to find it all out for yourselves, which is how any true Celestial spirit ‘guide’ will help their person, helping them to uncover the truth for themselves through their own feelings; which is how we all grow, doing it by ourselves and with only really the help from our Mother and Father - that help coming through our soul. And then we all express those truths we reveal, which has an effect upon the other person and outside world, which in turn creates more experiences for us, so more feelings, so we can then use those feelings to uncover yet more truth. So we all help each other as we help ourselves, but we have to tend to ourselves first and in the right way, that being with and through our feelings.
I decided against posting my reply on the Divine Love forum to Susan answering her questions, which I feel can only be answered by stepping over the line and moving out from the limitations of the PM. I spoke to Marion about the reasons why I wanted to post to her and none of them turned out to be true.
Which is how you are to work out what you want to do in life. As you understand, you are saturated James with other people telling you how to be and what to do and not do, it was all you got growing up and it’s all still within you. So how can you know if anything you do or say is true? You can’t, so all you can do is talk about it all from your feelings as you feel such things and see what happens, and the truth comes, and like you are saying: now in this moment your truth is not to post to her, whereas you also know, in the next moment your feelings might change... or they might not and you end up never posting it to her.
Yes, and I love being able to speak about it all and what I feel like doing changes as I express myself. And so often I see it’s not really me, or not me in that moment of my wrongness, and so I don’t do what I thought I would do, feeling good that my mind is no longer in there controlling or trying to controlling things.
It’s all good James, all how you are to live, how you are live through your feelings. Life is not to be lived through the mind, if it were that way everything would be formulated and very quickly become very dull and boring with it also limiting the amount of truth you could gain from any experience. The truth from mind-generated experiences would very quickly reach an end point - you’d become the automaton. Whereas with feelings there is an endless amount to be gained from every experience, and every experience only makes more feelings and so more experience, so there is infinite and eternal truth to be found. Feelings are ever-expansive whereas living with the mind in control of your feelings is life-annihilating, which is what you are all experiencing. Your parents forced to you comply and to live according to their minds, their beliefs, and those of other minds - society, and look how that made you feel. Whereas you are now beginning to see, life with your feelings (now you’re becoming less afraid of them) is becoming an open-ended joy, something that’s always changing, never fixed, and something that can even potentially, which will happen once you’ve completed your healing, always make you feel good. And not only good, but increasingly happier and happier.
So which way would you rather live: that which is making you face and deal with the truth of your relationship with your parents, which for you James also includes the truth of Mary and I being soulmates and the existence of your Heavenly Mother with your Heavenly Father; or, living within the confines of the PM and TUB and still within your relationship with your parents as it was established and outlined - dictated - by them? Do you chose to stay as you are in your wrongness never confronting the truth of your relationship with your parents, never looking to and acknowledging those feelings in your relationship with them that don’t make you feel good, and then fitting the PM and TUB and anything else nicely into that; or, or do you move on from them, taking what you can from them and looking deeper into yourself, discovering the whole truth of your relationship with your parents, fully acknowledging every bad feeling that is within you to do with those relationships, and looking for the truth of why you feel bad, which is then smashing your so-called loving relationship with them apart, all of which you can feel IS healing your wrongness, healing your evilness, and ending your participating in the Rebellion.
To heal yourself of your wrongness, to end your rebelliousness, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TRUTH OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR PARENTS. And all you see will only make you feel bad, because they made you feel bad. There is no other way out of it. Your parents inducted you into the Rebellion. So to free yourself of it you have to free yourself of them. And neither God, the Divine Love, nor myself or Mary are going to come and set you free by magically taking away all your sins and errors. Why would be do that? Why would the Mother and Father subject you to the wrongness only to suddenly remove it all from you?
It’s a pity you didn’t put that last paragraph in the last PM.
It wasn’t my place to James. That’s for you to do.
Speak to you soon, love Jesus.
And a little while later:
Jesus, whilst I was thinking about what you said, you were telling me more things - would you please tell them to me again so I can write them down?
Certainly James. I was impressing upon you how specific Mary’s and my age is, that because of us being who we are - the Creator Pair, so our age in any world, and in your case on Earth, is very specific and really wholly unique unto itself. You could even say it is so out of the ordinary that in some ways it doesn’t fit in with the normal planetary flow of spiritually evolving ages, and yet it also does - just to sound contradictory. So in our case, Mary’s and my age didn’t fit in with the normal flow, for really all that was needed was an Avonal Pair to come and reveal the way out of rebellion and the truth about the Divine Love, and yet we came and only did the part about the Divine Love, and yet at the same time by our coming terminated the instigators of the Rebellion in our universe, so we used Earth to end the Rebellion in Nebadon.
And so what I was saying to you was that the Divine Love groups are to grow to be the same in relative size as were the number of followers of myself when I was on Earth. And so as there was only a very small number of people who followed Mary and myself back then, so too will there only be relatively a very small number of people who follow us - follow what I have re-revealed - in the PM. The Christian church having nothing whatsoever to do with Mary and myself, you understand.
And part of your reluctance to interfere with these Divine Love groups who wholly stay true the ‘PM teachings’, is so as not to interfere with them building up slowly in numbers to fill the mandate and needs of Mary’s and my spiritual age.
So you see, our age will be complete in and of itself. As it began, so shall it end, with those people who are living only the truths of the Divine Love and what the Celestials impart to them being the custodians of what Mary and I revealed when on Earth, just as the apostles - both men and women - and everyone else who believed in and followed us and tried to live as we said, were the custodians of the truths and information we revealed back then.
So the so-called ‘Divine Love Movement’ won’t amount to much in terms of numbers.
No, it won’t go anywhere.
Even you encouraged James Padgett and those people in it to keep spreading the word.
Yes, because the word needs to get out there enough so as to bring to it that amount of people so required by the needs of our age. And you are helping in this too by promoting the PM, even at times more than your own work, all so as to help the fulfilment of our age. Our age has to come to completion, which it will, and the Divine Love Movement is simply part of that. And once it’s completed at the end of the age, so it will then serve as the foundation stone if you like, for the ages to come, that being, the first of the ‘Healing Ages’ that mankind will enter, it being primed by the truths that you and Marion are revealing along with all Mary and I add to them. And the next age will then be characterised by the likes of those who are with you on your forum in your currently small ‘movement’. And it’s conceivable that some people from the ‘Divine Love Movement’ will want to move on further and so in time join your movement, but mostly those who just want to stay with what the Celestials and I revealed will do so right through to the end of their lives, there to find out the truth of what their healing really involves, just as did Helen and James Padgett, when they come into spirit.
And so those people who it is their destiny to stay true to the PM, will do so, and nothing you say will appeal to them, and nor will they understand the significance of doing your Soul-Healing with the Divine Love as you define it. Which is the same as all those people who will ‘go to their graves’ believing in the tenets of their church or religious faith taking such beliefs with them into spirit. Which is just as it was at the beginning of Mary’s and my age, as it was right the way through it, as it is now at the end of it. And because the truths of the Divine Love were ‘lost’, so I had to come again to James Padgett so as to pass them across to humanity for the fulfilment of our age.
I’ve not been writing much lately, not feeling like trying to get anyone interested in their healing, and now with what you’re saying, really it’s not my place to do, is it, for it’s not part of yours and Mary’s age. And I wouldn’t want to interfere with that.
Technically it’s not part of it, but because you are alive and so here now in it, so you are free to do as you say and have your say, as is anyone else. But as you now pretty much understand what it’s all about and what the next age will consist of spiritually, so far as the truths are concerned that will concern those people who want to grow in truth and heal themselves of their wrongness, you are feeling less inclined to do anything within our age. And you don’t have to either, there is no pressure on you, there is nothing to say that you should, this too you’re slowly allowing yourself to acknowledge.
Yes, as I’m getting rid of all the inner pressure from Gran and mum telling me how I should be. It’s such a big thing in me to do, if I can help someone, which means, tell them what to do and how to be, which I think would be better and more benifical for them, then I should. But I don’t want to do that, all for my own ego, all because mum and Gran are telling me to.
So you are feeling not to impose yourself on them, rightly understanding that unless they come directly to you wanting your help then it’s not incumbent upon you to give it. And even then if they do come asking you for help, you still don’t have to give it just because they are asking you for it. You do what you feel - always, and the truer you become the easier that becomes.
So Jesus, just to go over it again, there is not going to be any Divine Love movement that comes in a takes over the world?
No, it can’t happen, because the powers that be when I was on Earth got rid of me and didn’t want to hear anything Mary had to say. So it won’t happen now either. And it would just end up fading away with time, the PM would become distorted and subtly changed until once again all meaning would be lost from them along with the truth of the Divine Love. It will only survive because you and Marion and those who are supporting you and living the truth of doing their soul-healing with the Divine Love, include it in their lives; it will be you who ‘keep the home fires burning’, as it should be, because it shouldn’t exist by itself, it’s not meant to be alone, just a few truths called the Padgett Messages and a little about longing for the Divine Love. It is meant to be incorporated into the greater spiritual message, all that’s in the PM and all the truths and correct information brought through by well-meaning Divine Love channels and mediums, together with all that’s in The Urantia Book, will in time be all apart of your work together with all what people who work with you reveal themselves. If you like, the PM are the heart of the message, but the whole body needs to include all about the healing on a technical level and all that the healing entails through direct experience of doing it. And as you can’t just have the heart separately beating alone without the rest of the body, so the PM’s and even the Divine Love will do nothing for you without doing your healing. And those people who are choosing to stay true to it only, are showing you that James. Over the years of observing them and knowing where your brother is coming from, even after his speaking with all the spirits he does, and with all his longing for the Love, still he has not ventured into doing his full soul-healing, and so that shows you that just the Divine Love by itself it not enough to advance your soul in truth - to heal you of your rebellion.
I haven’t talked with him for years now, it would be good to see how he views his healing. I know he does feel he is healing, and possibly that he has even fully healed himself, but I imagine I’d still be able to see he is still the same particularly in his relationship with mum and dad - he hasn’t as yet rejected them, which he’d have to do. And if he did that, then I think he’d feel closer to and more understanding of what I’ve done and why. But nothing like that as yet has come from him.
And it’s what a lot of people tell themselves is their healing. They feel they change, which undoubtedly they do, but it’s only their mind and its beliefs, and mostly it’s just a reshuffling of such beliefs, not actually getting rid of them, even though it might also include a bit of emotional work and even identifying and dealing with some of their issues with their parents. But it’s not their true and full healing; and as we’ve talked about before, it’s actually taking them further into their wrongness.
Yes, using the Divine Love to further deny oneself.
Yes. Using it to further deny Mary and I, the very people who they purport to be supporting, for it was the same with the apostles and followers of us back on Earth. They sincerely wanted to be with us, do as we said, be like us - follow us. And many believed they were. But they weren’t doing their healing as we’d not revealed the way to do it. So unbeknownst to them they were still advancing their wrongness whilst including the Divine Love and all we said, but there was nothing Mary or I could do about that, not until we were all in spirit and could then set about introducing them to the notion of healing their evilness. So it’s the same for those people in the Divine Love Movement, unbeknownst to them.
I find it all fascinating Jesus, and still my mind reels with: yes, it all sounds good, but what if it’s not true and I’m making it all up?
And it will continue to doubt James because you are still not true. But it’s good that you do, and so you should, all to help you feeling more feelings you can express and seek the truth of. And it would an unreasonable demand - and a false one - to put on yourself to believe that you should know it all without doubt.
I understand Jesus, but still I hate having the doubts, I wish I just did categorically know - once and for all.
Only so you can stop having those bad feelings James, just another way to avoid them.
Yeah, another way to block them out so I can pretend they are not there - more denial. Yes well I can see that, and as I don’t want to do that, so all I can do it keep expressing my doubts.
That’s right. Speak to you soon James - Jesus.