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Post by James on Aug 29, 2015 18:15:58 GMT 10
Jesus says we have to hate our family and life so we can truly follow him. Luke 14:26 King James Version (KJV) 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And Marion adds: ...and hate yourself and everything that we are. And saying no I don’t want any part of the world, no, no, no, I don’t want to keep trying to get anything from it. We have to completely reject the world, ourselves and everything else - which is all of our evilness. And all done through and with feelings, not just a mental rejection. We have to feel the hatred, by expressing it, and uncover the truth of it. And then we’ll be as we are meant to be, as our Mother and Father want us to be. All through our feelings. Our healing is rejecting the falseness within ourselves, and when we bring it out we’ll also be able to reject the falseness of the world. But we have to follow our feelings, we can’t just say with our mind we shouldn’t want it when really we do want it; we have to go fully with our wanting it expressing all the feelings to do with it; and when we have, then we won’t have the desire and the need, and the wanting it will go, and then we’ll be able to give it up. But first we have to bring to light all our wants, needs and desires and admit that WE DO WANT IT - WE WANT IT ALL!!!! BRING IT ON, I WANT IT - EVERYTHING! And of course what we really want is love, the love we never got, but as we can’t have that and keep wrongly looking to the world for it, so we have to keep expressing our anger, hurt and frustration at wanting something all the time that’s not actually going to take the pain away and make us feel fulfilled. I’ve posted more about Jesus’ supposed quote on my blog: Is it Spiritual Nonsense? (It's under the label Mary Magdalene and Jesus when it's no longer on the front page.)
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Post by James on Aug 29, 2015 21:37:48 GMT 10
Further to this quote in discussing things with Marion, as she was saying, what about people who have genuinely felt/feel love for and from their parents, brothers and sisters, family, friends, and even love their life, not having feelings of hatred for them. As she said, what are such people meant to do, suddenly give up all the love they feel and feel hate, when you can’t make yourself change your feelings, if you feel love you feel love not hate and vice versa. So how are these loving people meant to relate to what Jesus said - if Jesus said it; how would they become his disciple and followers of him if they don’t feel hatred for their family?
Personally I don’t know as I don’t know anyone who feels a lot of love for their family well enough to ask them about such things. I’ve qualified all I’ve written about such speculation that as we’re still all in a negative rebellious system, so all the love we feel needs to be seen and possibly felt in that context, yet still I can’t really say I know anything about it because I’ve never felt loving and good about life. For me it’s easy to relate to what Jesus is saying as it is for Marion, yet surely not everyone on the planet has had a rotten shit life.
And as I said in my extended post on my blog, surely even people who do love themselves, their life and their family have parts they don’t love or like so much, and possibly even hate, and so perhaps it’s with these parts they will start to work on looking for the truth of themselves, which in turn might lead them deeper into other parts that don’t feel so great. But still, what if they do truly feel love, what happens to those parts - do they remain untouched for there is nothing wrong with them?
And perhaps Jesus is just talking the bottom line, so those fucked hating people will be able to relate to him, and those who feel love will understand what he’s on about and it won’t affect them, because if their love is genuine and unaffected and supporting no hidden agenda and is not adversely affecting their will or anyone else’s including natures, then they will know they have nothing to worry about, being more like Jesus anyway in relating to being closer to all-loving.
And perhaps if Jesus did say this it’s been, like so much of what he said, taken out of context, perhaps he was speaking to a specific individual and it was relevant for him and it’s wrong of us to then apply it to the whole of humanity.
And perhaps like it all it doesn’t matter anyway, as we’re all to work the truths of life out for ourselves through our feelings, and those truths that come to light will do so in different ways depending on our different lives. And in the end when we’re healed and Celestial we will understand, seeing that people have come from all extremes and everywhere inbetween, all ending up with the same truth, it just being one of the incredible things about how our Mother and Father have worked it all out.
I would like to know your thoughts on it Sam and Wes and anyone else reading, particularly about the areas in your life that you feel are of love, in which you feel loving and loved. And how have such areas changed - have they been affected in any way as you’ve advanced in your healing?
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Post by wesley on Aug 30, 2015 5:31:36 GMT 10
Is that my way of my life it sure is. I think it is a great truth that coming to realize it with our own experience with our family. And like you said about rejecting Mary and Jesus is something no one will bring to light. I had no love in my family so it is very easy for me to take jesus statement. And somehow I think Mary has a lot say on it also. Imagine a preacher saying this In his sermon. It wouldn't be accepted. Love thy enemies being more of delusion that works for them. Only in healing. Will bring out the real teachings of Jesus and Mary M. And it is so real and a great part of Jesus and Mary M revelation. I truly honor the straight forward truth of it all or I would be in great confusion trying to reject the Truth and follow this world. It's good that you wrote about this truth James.
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Post by James on Aug 30, 2015 12:16:15 GMT 10
Thank you Wes for your reply and I'm pleased you feel part of it all and are enjoying it.
Here's some more that came about this morning following on with Marion what we were talking about yesterday afternoon.
Having read this quote to Marion she’s had more things come up about it making her feel she doesn’t have a clue about any of it. This time around on hearing it again it’s pushed her into her childhood belief and love of the Father confronting it for what it really was - that here is this loving Father and He does love me, when really she feels she isn’t loved by anyone, God included. And as she’s never had any real experience of the Divine Love flowing into her soul in answer to her longing, or of God being with her or speaking to her, or anything with God, so what is it all about - is it just a childhood fantasy about God given to her by her Christian mother and involvement with the church?
So she’s throwing it all out, getting to a place within herself (so I think), where she doesn’t think or care about where she’s heading in the short term, in which she is free to come to God in her own way and on her own terms. And at the moment her only experience of God is that He’s a horrible, evil, nasty, unloving and uncaring Father who for some really strange reason created all the nice things only to be horrible to them, which is about the truth of God we arrive at in our evilness.
If we are to live true to our wrongness so as to heal it, first seeing it all for what it really is, then we can only deduce that God is wrathful, scary, unloving, and mad because He did create such loveliness which he keeps destroying and abusing for some sort of fun. And so we have to honour such feelings if we have them about Him, as dementing at they are.
As for myself she questioned me hard about my explanation about why Jesus says all these things that no one can understand and with so little of it making any sense. For example, if there is a Heavenly Mother, if Jesus has a Mother as well as a Father, surely he’d have spoken about Her, you’re not going to keep your mother secret - are you? - what would be the point of that. And: didn’t he love Her, is She the real nasty one and the Father is nicer and They don’t get on too well, so Jesus is staying with his more loving Father rejecting his unloving Mother? And: but if They are both so loving, why does She have to hide and not be talked about, and why did Jesus keep Her from us then; all of which I explain by understanding - wanting to understand - that Jesus is keeping within the limitations of the Rebellion not stepping outside and imposing himself and what he really thinks and knows on us, that not being his role in coming to Earth, all of which I’ve written about with him and Mary in my conversations with them.
And the more Marion pressed me, the more I felt that my explanations about it all - those which the spirits have given me - does hold up, so far as I am concerned, with what they’ve told me, although still sounding quite mad, still at least making some sort of sense to me. And more sense than anything else I’ve read or heard said.
So again I feel tested and happy to carry on with how I understand it all, which as I’ve said and will keep saying until if I do ever know one hundred percent for sure, is just my own opinions and understanding. And if anyone else is happy to come along with me for a ride on my cart, they are welcome and I’d be delighted if we can all work together to sort out what really is going on and what really is right and wrong. And although we might not ever be able to really know until we’re in spirit, and even then who knows, at least we can have a stab at it whilst of flesh, and so far this looking to ones feelings for the truth seems to be the way.
Hello Jesus; are you free?
Yes James, I’m free! Please carry on.
Good morning Jesus. As you know what Marion and I have been speaking about concerning you and your lack of telling us the truth about what’s going on, I would like to say to you that even more I am appreciating how you have conformed to the limitations imposed on you by the Rebellion and Default, and how that of itself of course has caused other problems, and because of it we can’t get a direct understanding from you, it being broken up and distorted in the Bible, The Urantia Book and Padgett Messages, and again I’m so thankful that you’ve been able to put it all together in helping me understand.
Yes James, something people will struggle to understand, for how can the most powerful spirit along with his companion and equally powerful spirit of Nebadon, not just tell it how it is, cutting through the darkness and clearing an easy path for people and spirits to follow. However as we’ve told you, our Mother and Father want people to experience the Rebellion and Default to its fullest, and as hard as this might be to understand why supposedly loving Gods would do this causing so much pain, hurt and heartache, is just part of understanding what love really is. And as we’ve explained, there’s more to it than just feeling good all the time, for within love is no-love or anti-love, and so the darker side, and this too needs to be expressed fully so we can fully appreciate and live the truth of true love. And humanity on Earth is part of Creation that is currently experiencing no-love and seeing what that feels like and how it distorts personality expression; and it’s been going on for a long time and much suffering has resulted, however there is more to it than the small picture, God working on far greater time scales. So yes, you feel totally alone, abandoned, rejected by your so-called loving Parents, all of how your parents made you feel; and then you have all the confusion of Mary’s and my coming and all that’s resulted from that, all in keeping with the madness which you have been subjected to because of the wayward meddling higher spirits who chose to rebel. So Mary and I came, not so much to help humanity by providing you with a way out of your mess, but for the whole of Nebadon as an example of how loving and compassionate we are by not directly taking on the whole mess and sorting it out, but choosing instead to stand back, give you a few good things to make things even worse - as you’d take them the wrong way, all so in the end you can work it all out for yourselves. It wouldn’t have been right for us to come in, vanquish all the untruth, dispatch all the unbelievers as so many say and hope I will do when supposedly I return, for were I to do that, I can assure you I’d be left with barely a handful of people on Earth and in the mind mansion worlds, everyone else being consigned to oblivion with no chance of ever being saved - no chance of saving themselves. So we understand that humanity really is to save itself, each person and spirit has to decide for themselves whether or not living against love and truth is good for them - if it makes them feel good, which is what you and Marion, Samantha and Wesley are in the process of doing, and it will occupy you right the way through your healing. You see James, Mary and I are non-interventionists, we will not, as we don’t want to, interfere with anything. The Mother and Father charged us with doing certain things which we needed to do for the greater good of Nebadon, however so far as actually revealing the way for humanity to end its misery and suffering that was not and still is not our place to do, and not to do for all the reasons we’ve explained to you. And it is for others to do, as we’ve also explained, and at the end of the day, for each person to do for themselves. So we too have to suffer the agonies of seeing so many people and creatures suffering in our universe, it’s not just on Earth as you understand, the other rebellious worlds are the same yet in their different ways, but our universe is what our Mother and Father want it to be, because it’s a ‘training’ ground you might say, a time of preparation for new souls incarnating into Creation to begin expressing themselves for their eternal existence. And although it’s hard currently for you, in a million years when your time of rebellion is long gone, who knows what you’ll be doing and feeling, yet the Mother and Father are preparing you now for that time and all time in existence, so there is a vast amount to it all, which all needs to be understood and kept in context when trying to deal with the madness of it. And as you understand James, Nebadon is very different to other non-rebellion tainted local universes, and as such is expressing something of what other local universes in future that will have far more rebellion within them might have to deal with; and already for Mary’s and my order of Creation being the Creator Pairs we do a lot of entertaining of visiting Creator Pairs who as yet don’t have their own personal universe to live within but who want to see the effects of rebellion, and those who do but have not had to deal with such rebellion, and even some who are dealing with rebellion, so in our ‘social’ level there has been a lot for Mary and I to do and become familiar with; and all being done through our experiences, for like how it is for us all, the theory is one thing, but the reality of having to deal with it in the moment through your feelings being something else. So you see, we don’t know, and probably will never know, just how much our Mother and Father intend to express the nether (darker) side of love, it’s unknowable, yet it’s speculated that there is more to come, which is reasonable enough to assume with Creation being so vast; and that is just what it is, it’s not all a nice happy fantasy of everyone living happily ever-after in heaven-land, it’s all about uncovering just what Personality is, and by that I mean, well what really is it - what really is Soul, what really is Personality, and what are the two in their relationship together. And then what is love and truth they being the primary expressions of soul and personality; and so on as it all comes down to each of us expressing ourselves, our own unique soul-personally in Creation, all endeavouring to understand more about ourselves, about our own personalities, and in doing so, so the personalities of others and eventually the Two Greatest Personalities of All. And as you feel within yourself James, and it’s the same for Marion, and it will be same for those who chose to follow you both, you will take it as far as you can, for you both want to understand yourselves all you can, and that will lead into knowing all there is to know and ultimately knowing the Mother and Father. And so your soul is complying with your wishes, or you are simply complying with its - which ever way you want to see it, and so onwards you march into the eternal-now looking to your feelings for the way to your truth. And as you now understand there isn’t any other way to go or be, so you will keep going. And even though everything is constantly being thrown into madness and panic that is all still only because it’s still to help you get more in touch with the madness and panic you felt as you were growing up. All to help you keep investigating just how it was for you in your unloving anti-truth state of being at your conception and through your forming years and childhood. And it’s a goldmine of truth for you, because contained within all the pain is all that you will be drawing upon for the rest of eternity, it’s all within you, you won’t need to go and have multiple evil lives so as to get a good comprehensive idea of what it’s all about, one is enough, which I know you’ll be pleased about, for within it you’ve experienced your version of untruth and no-love, your taste of evilness, and that is unique for you, and Earth has provided the place for you to do it in. And so it has been for all these hundreds of thousands of years, enormous numbers of people and spirits all who have used Earth to experience no-love and no-truth, all to feel what feeling so rejected, unloved, unwanted and uncared about feels like, all to know first hand. And as hard and maddening as it is, still it’s what it is and needs to be worked with accordingly, which is how Mary and I approach it, and which is where you are moving toward too. So it’s about altering your mind pictures about how you think or believe it should be, making the necessary mental adjustments and living accordingly, all which comes naturally as you progress through your healing, all of which is akin to changing your whole upbringing, becoming in a way a whole different person to the false one you’ve been made to be, all of which is a huge thing to do. And so it takes time, and it keeps going, daily grinding along as you work over and over your bad feelings slowly bringing to light a little bit of truth here and there, but overall steadily making inner changes and advancements. The whole of your being is changing, has to change, will change, and that as you’re coming to understand is a great task; so your life is not simply about being born growing up and living life to please yourself, it’s about being born into a negative unloving truth-denying state of being, being this state believing it’s good for you, indulging in the fantasy of living untrue to yourself, then coming to realise that you don’t actually feel as good as you thought you did, questioning yourself why don’t you feel as good as you believed, and then waking up to the truth of the Rebellion and Default you live in, and choosing to do something about that bad-feeling state. So you begin your healing. And that takes you right back through every aspect of your early life that didn’t make you feel good, all so you can uncover and see the causes of why you feel bad, all with the intention of wanting to live true to your untruth so you can be free of it - free to once and for all choose to no longer be it. And that is your life. It’s not about your career, or what friends you have, how much money and fame you might achieve and so on, nothing about all the values and aspirations most people have and think are important, it’s not even about being a good Christian or followers of your religion, or even being a good parent, it’s about living true to your feelings and seeing where they guide you in life.
And Jesus before you go, in light of what you’ve just said, I can also understand and appreciate how you allow all the ‘Jesuses’ that are supposedly imparting information from spirit. There are more ‘Divine Love people’ claiming to speak and write with you, as there are more non-divine love people claiming to channel you, just as there are even more and more people claiming to be you here again in flesh.
Yes James, and it will increase and I allow it all. As I’ve told you, the Celestials are commissioned to represent me, so if people want to believe they are channeling and communicating with me the Celestials are free to allow them to continue to think so, all so as not to interfere with such people and their beliefs. Were such people, such as you did, question and keep questioning their ‘Jesus’, so too would they keep questioning themselves as you and Marion have done, all of which would naturally lead you deeper into your feelings, all of which would bring the truth to light of their ‘Jesus’. And it would help them advance their soul truly as they did their healing, enabling them to connect more truly with the spirits they are speaking with as they brought to light the fantasy they need about speaking with me. So Mary and I don’t interfere, and we even say, yes, do it all, do as you please because you’ve got to work it all out for yourselves, and you can and will only be able to do that through your own experiences; and one day all that you’re doing that is wrong and against yourself should make you feel bad, and then with those bad feelings you should want to know why you are feeling them, so long for their truth. All of which is how you truly help and save yourself from continuing on in your wrongness. All to bring you to the point of asking yourself: Do I want to be evil? Do I really want to do anything to myself that keeps making me feel bad? I will go now James, good to speak with you again, and it’s good to see you are still heading in the right direction.
Thank you Jesus.
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Post by Sam M on Aug 30, 2015 18:38:52 GMT 10
I have read this quote by Jesus many times and pondered over its meaning, I think the first time I read it was in the Gospel of Thomas and had a real resistance to it thinking how evil it was to say something like that, it hurt me to think Jesus expected that of us. To hate and turn our backs on our family, friends, ourselves and our lives was a lot to expect of us, it really hurt me and gave me great fear to think of having to turn my back on all that controls me, what would I do without my controllers, crumble for sure. The fear of this statement really did put me in fear and at the time it was greatly denied by me because it gave me such fear to feel that to follow the way of Jesus I had to give up everything and hate everything and everyone and myself, surely he couldn't mean it, I looked and searched for other meanings of the statement that might better suit me, that he didn't really mean it but I was missing the real meaning of what Jesus meant but I was denying the truth and wanting to meet addictions in me that would better suit me, be nicer and easier for me, not so harsh, not so true, I still wanted to believe the lie and be safe being in the control of my family, friends, life and false created self. Even now I can feel the resistance I felt to this statement of not wanting to believe it could be true, that this was the criteria if I wanted to follow Jesus, No Way could he expect this of me, surely Jesus would encourage me to love not hate. It really repelled me all those years ago to read this.
I now, many years on, understand the statement fully and have come to know that all I believed was false and wrong and what I believed to be loving parents, friends, life and false self is all the opposite, its all been evil and so against love and truth and so against ME, but I had to find it out for myself. If it was a true statement of Jesus, I now feel it fully to be truth because I have experimented with it through my feelings and found it to be true for myself, that all I believed was love was hate and against love. Even though I truly believed I was loved, it was only when I revealed the truth of my feelings for myself that I had to see the truth, that all the pain I felt was because I was in such huge denial and believing that the control and taking of my will, that I was told was loving and for my own good and because they loved me, was the biggest sin. I was a tool for their addictions to be met, and all the time I was doing that, they would love me.
I now feel that others have been brought up in all different ways and at all different levels of love and many can not bear to read things like this or hear about this, it challenges their beliefs about love and as I once felt, it is unbearable to reveal the truth, that we were not truly loved but just playing a game of addiction and fulfilling the needs of our parents no matter how loving our family lives were. There can be no true love when we are taking the will of our children, no matter how subtle that may be it is all anti-love, anti-child, anti-truth. The truth is in our pain and if everyone was to experiment with their own pain and feelings and get down to the grief of why they are feeling the way they do they would have the proof their for themselves because if they followed their feelings right down to the core they would touch a grief every time that told them the truth of how their childhood really did effect them in adult life and effects every thing they do in every moment. I know that as a child I didn't need to be affected by the words of my parents because I could feel their feelings and I wanted to deny this, that I was wrong, I was loved by them. The truth was that I didn't need to hear their words when I could feel them and I received great pain from this so if I could feel my parents disapproval or anger towards me then other children can to so no matter how loved we want to believe we are or were, the feelings we felt from our parents tell us otherwise but it is to painful to believe what we feel so we deny our feelings. Even at conception our parents feelings are felt by us, all the fear one moment, love the next, we feel it all so what are we meant to believe. Fears such as can we afford this child, in this case the child is being put lower than the worth of money, this is where I believe my money fears began because I have traced my feelings right back to conception and I have felt that my Mum and Dad put money way above me because of their fears when they found out Mum was pregnant, that they couldn't afford me, now my self worth issues and money issues are understandable, money is worth more than I am. There are so many fears women go through at conception and many are unloving and as babies, these are our first feelings that enter us from our parents and most of them, not good. So even in loving relationships and people who have always felt they have been loved, I feel these feelings are locked away deep inside them, in deep denial and rebellion but showing themselves by the events brought to these people in their everyday lives by Gods Law of Attraction, what is denied in their souls will be brought to light, what is unknown will be shown to us all through Gods loving Laws, they are all in place to help us see the truth and I experiment with them all the time so I know they are true and loving. Even if we feel we have been loved deeply through out our lives, to see the truth all we have to do is look at what we are attracting, the types of people that surround us, the way we live, do our lives reflect our belief, that we were loved and that we are loving, do our feelings tell us that is the truth, we don't have to just intellectually believe it all we have to do is to look at what we are attracting because if our souls lead the way then what we are attracting will be the truth of our souls. If we believe we are loving beings are we surrounded by other loving beings or not, is this truth we believe reflected to us by the outside world, is it just how we want to believe it to be true, this will show us the truth of our soul and we can deny it or feel it and get to the grief that we are not the loving beings we thought we were. If what we are attracting is not mirrored by the truth of our souls condition then we have a choice to heal this through our feelings which will bring up a lot of truth of how it really was for us, and all that we believed was loving, was not. A crushing truth to come to terms with. Or we can stay in denial and rebellion.
No matter how loved I believed I was, the feelings I felt from my parents told me differently, they didn't need to speak, I felt it all as children do but it was to painful to believe so I chose to stay in denial for a very long time until it nearly killed me. Through my feelings I could find the truth for myself, without the need of anyone else, just me and asking for Gods help to help me find out the truth for myself and when I begun to do this properly, I discovered God had created a whole structure of Laws of Love to help me to do this and show me through my Law of Attraction, the true condition of my soul. I have an amazing structure of help available to me when I chose to feel.
I have been through believing I was loved by my parents to understanding what I believed was so wrong but fear kept me in that belief, now I am freeing myself of that erroneous belief and all the others to. I have lived a life of denial and rebellion and now I am healing my way back to truth with the help of my true parents. I now understand and am turning my back on all that I believed to be true, working my way through hate, anger, pain, sadness and grief at the realisation of my crumbling world of lies so I do truly understand this statement given by Jesus and only when we just stop, and see it all in truth, that none of it was true and we can feel about it all and hate has been a huge part of that, and the sadness of not being loved can we begin a true path and leave it all to follow Jesus and Mary and the truth of our Soul selves, I cant put into words the feelings of despair when you discover the truth and the lie that has been programmed and lived, it is like annihilation to have to just stop. Its all been a lie, my parents have told me a whole life of lies and told me to believe it, them. When you discover, through your feelings, the truth, their is nowhere else to go, nothing else to do but just feel the true annihilation that the grief is. Christ, I can feel that now, Wow its a killer blow.
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Post by James on Aug 31, 2015 14:07:58 GMT 10
Hi Sam, it’s good to hear how you have completely turned around, and all through your own doing and not because you believe it’s what you should do, the truth coming to light through your own feelings and from your own wanting to live true to them. You can’t get better confirmation than that about looking to ones healing for the truth! Once again I want to thank you and Wes for taking the time to post what you do, it helps me a lot in subtle ways over time, helping me to suddenly see other things or put something together that I’d not understood, and it’s not just about the information and truth but also about how people will accept and reject what I write; it’s all as always all very interesting and I can’t express myself very well in what I’m trying to say because often these things are only a flash of insight or perception of understanding and then they are gone and I don’t think about them anymore. “When you discover, through your feelings, the truth, their is nowhere else to go, nothing else to do but just feel the true annihilation that the grief is. Christ, I can feel that now, Wow its a killer blow.” And it is a ‘killer blow’, feeling so annihilated is real feelings, none of it is made up, there is no put on here, it’s all too real. I’ve included a bit more that I wrote as replies to comments of my BIN article about this topic. I’ve included them here, probably nothing new for you both, but it might help other readers who come directly to this thread.BIN link beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2015/08/jesus-in-luke-1426-is-alluding-to-divine-love-spirituality-he-says-we-have-to-hate-our-family-and-life-so-we-can-truly-follow-him-2472274.htmlI see Jesus as the Living Truth – so simply the Truth. So it’s the Truth that ones needs to put first, not specifically Jesus or even following him; although if one puts the truth first then one will also naturally be following him – being as he is, living true. So we are to want the truth above all else. And if in uncovering that truth we find we don’t love our parents, children, ourselves, our lives, even Jesus and God, then so be it, that’s how we are. And then we can move onto finding out the truth of why we are this way. If you feel love for your parents, family and children you can’t simply throw that away and hate them because you believe that’s what you’re meant to do so as to follow Jesus. But what you can do is question your love if you feel any doubts using your feelings to uncover the deeper truth within yourself. And if things are not as they appear to be on the surface, then you’ll find out what is not right and where you’re going wrong. So really we are to want to know the truth of our feelings of love, that being – are they really true? And as strange as that might sound to ask, for myself I believed I loved and was loved by my family but as I’ve looked for the truth of such love through my feelings I’ve discovered, much to my horror, that it was all false love and nothing like I thought it was. And my relationships with my family ended as the truth came to light for me. And they are still ending as yet more truth keeps coming through my feelings each day. So this quote from Jesus has proved true for me. I can completely relate to and agree with it all based on my own experiences, all of which have come as a great surprise and shock, as I believed like so many do, that any spiritual advancement I might make would surely enhance my love or myself, family and life, not the other way around. And: You can’t love another when you’re full of hate. And too many people feeling hate and bad about themselves, other people, even Jesus and God, don’t want to feel those bad feelings because they wrongly believe they shouldn’t feel them, so use their mind to block them out telling themselves they must be all-loving, that being of love is the way to go. And denying and dismissing the feelings you have is what makes you sick. It’s harder but far better to go with your feelings. So with all your bad ones to fully embrace and acknowledge them, not deny them. So to allow yourself for feel as bad and hateful as you do. And as it’s how you are feeling anyway, why not at least live true to yourself – true to those feelings. You don’t have to like feeling bad and being full of anger and hate, but as you are, why not get on with accepting it. And then from here the next step you can take is to want to uncover the truth of why you are feeling bad, why you are so angry and full of hate. And to want to find that truth through your feelings and not by using your mind. So what you’ll need to do is express all your anger and hate to someone who will accept you saying all you feel and won’t criticise or judge or stop you or tell you how you should be, they’ll just allow you to rant and rave with the full emotion of such feelings, all whilst you long hard and really want to know the truth of such feelings – why you are feeling them. And you can ask God to help you stay with your feelings, and help to express them, and help to see the truth they are to show you. And eventually when you’ve uncovered all the truth your feelings are to show you, then you’ll no longer feel the bad feelings, so all your anger and hatred will have gone, being replaced with good feelings. Then you can set about expressing those good feelings and longing for their truth and being loving about it. It all happening naturally. But if you jump over your bad feelings, deny your hatred, you’re only hurting yourself, and so retarding your growth of truth – retarding your spiritual advancement.
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Post by James on Aug 31, 2015 22:19:07 GMT 10
This is something of a progress report I'm adding here. It's technical so I've included it in this category, and in this thread as it's active and somewhat relevant. For me this is about the most important part of my spiritual experience with Marion. If it doesn't make sense then it's not meant to, it is only another part of my self-expression that I feel I am to record.
Upon discussing with Marion my reasons for there being a Heavenly Mother and why Jesus didn’t mention her, she now accepts Her intellectually awaiting confirmation through her feelings. Just as she is waiting to see if indeed she feels the same way about the Heavenly Father and longing for the Divine Love. She has always loved the Father and Jesus but has related to them through her Christian upbringing, all of which she’s now well and truly given up.
She has longed for the Divine Love having read the Padgett Messages but has never felt it coming into her in response to her longing. She has simply been focused on her feelings, expressing them and uncovering their truth, all to do with sorting our her natural love.
And her complete denial, that being, she not being allowed to experience the Mother or Father or receiving the Divine Love; her not being given any help as to know whether or not They and Their Love are actually real, is all perfectly in keeping with her souls need for her to experience complete no-love. So no love from her human parents and no love from her Soul Parents. This being the greatest suffering under the Rebellion and Default one can suffer, she manifesting this representing or expressing the complete denial of the Feminine.
As we know, Jesus the man was able to stand up and declare who he was, Mary M, still being perfect, but complying with the suppression of the feminine in not standing up declaring who she was; so together they both denied us the knowledge of the existence of our Heavenly Mother - The Feminine Aspect of God.
Marion has taken that all on and more, as she has also taken on the imperfection. I too have taken on the imperfection, but being the man I can at least have a bit more, so I can communicate with the Mother and Father and receive Their Love, albeit still only to a limited degree. But Marion being the woman can’t do any of it.
And so we can see these elements that we are in other people in varying degrees, all reflecting the Rebellion and Default in our different ways.
So as Marion progresses in her healing she is coming to accept that she is not loved by anyone including her parents and the Mother and Father, as she feels no love from any of them, so by all accounts doesn’t know if They even exist. She doesn’t know if the Mother and Father exist, for how can you when you are evil and denying Them; nor does she really know if loving parents exist for she never had a taste of them. So she lives in complete denial of love from all major sources - natural and Divine.
So I would expect that as she comes to accept this fully as her truth, expressing all the pain she feels about it, when she has uncovered all the truth she is to see, then something will happen and she will end her rebelliousness, stop being evil and become loving, then being able to relate to her loving Mother and Father and directly feel Them loving her. The same being for me; the same being for us all.
She is doing it all with no help, all through her own feelings. No help from her parents, no help from Mary and Jesus, no help from any other spirits or people, no help from the Mother and Father (that being no direct obvious help that she can relate to tangibly), and with no real help from me as I’m more a bother and nuisance getting in her way and making her work twice as hard as it might otherwise be. I am in absolute awe of her.
Every part of her is in pain, and she has no idea about any of this herself, this is all as I see her. I’ve told her, but she can’t relate to any of it as I see it, because she can’t relate to anything being so much in denial of the truth of it all. I might be completely wrong how I see it, her and myself, however it’s always been there in me right from the first day I met her and has never left only intensifying over the years as she’s lived truer to her wrongness.
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Post by James on Sept 1, 2015 21:44:30 GMT 10
Following on from what I said yesterday, Marion feels like she has now found herself, along with finding her Mother and Father. She has no problems relating to Them as her Mother and Father or Father and Mother or as her Heavenly Parents when she prays and speaks to Them. Although still it’s all one way, her reaching out to and speaking to Them without Their coming back to her. But for the moment she feels okay about this too.
She was looking at a picture of her young self when she was about four or five, and now sees that little person in the mirror when she looks at her 64 year-old self. She has always looked in the mirror never being able to relate to whom she sees, as her parents made her not see herself, seeing a fantasy image they made up and forced on her. And she’s always been trying to change her look so as to recognise herself when she looks in the mirror but has never been able to find the right image. But having given all that up and now just being more true to herself, she looks in the mirror and IS SEEING HERSELF for the first time, this being a huge change in her. And she feels very excited about it. Now it’s as if her parents and their image of her - whom they wanted her to be, is literally out of the picture, so she is just herself, connecting with the little person back then who she still is, with the adult older person she now is. So for the first time in her life she is happy how she looks because she is looking truly at herself; and herself only looks how she looks, so there’s no other false person, no distortion, no one but herself.
Her body is still wracked with pain and dysfunction, although she can (only just) do what she wants and needs to do, but the rest of her, her spirit and soul is feeling better and better.
It’s also becoming clearer to me (as I wrote yesterday) that as she has had the life of being completely denied any help on any level other than a little on the physical, so with no help from spirits, Mary or Jesus, or openly from the Mother and Father; and being wholly focused on the physical and her feelings, she has been forced to deal with only her natural love, working with nothing other than her own feelings, and with little sense of a greater purpose, no real soul perceptions or greater awareness, only an inner feeling to keep going expressing all she feels, and wanting the truth of such feelings. So she is really to my mind healing herself out of the swamp of putridness which her parents provided for her, going along blind in it, as she is nearly blind being able to see with short sighted vision out of only one eye, doing it all herself. And now beginning to see and feel the fruits of all her hard work - some good feelings about herself!
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Post by wesley on Sept 2, 2015 20:59:50 GMT 10
Yes James. I often go back to my childhood also. I don't know if it's similar to Marion but I just feel all the terror my mom put me through. It was like she used me for her personal project of hate. I feel it today as I felt it when I was 8 years old. And really thats my age right now. But I can feel all of it and I draw upon it going deeper instead of letting myself be repressed like I became and its is helping me tremendously now. I know I am that child getting no love what's so ever. Yet growing up not having no love lost a sense of it when hitting my 20 year s of age. I started to accept my self denial and lied to myself to think my parents did take good care of me. Yet my feelings showed me other wise. Yet that change only happened after 45 years. Right through my years of longing for Our Father's Love. And being happy to me is finally breaking the spell of self denial only by using my feelings because they don't lie. They are true. Seeing myself as a hated little boy opens me up to my own work a head of me now. I will never fall again for the so called honour your mother and father thing unless I feel so. I know they never made me smile or give me the impression that they wanted me around but now using my feelings I see the light in this darkness.
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Post by James on Sept 3, 2015 18:03:55 GMT 10
Hi Wes, yes it's all so shocking and sad. It seems to get worse every day. Lately I've been seeing that I don't like being with people because as soon as I am I have to give over to them, expecting them to lead, slotting myself into going along with them. And it's starting to give me the shits because I can't keep doing what I want to do. I feel so babyish, as if I've never grown up forcing myself away from them and being wholly independent from them. I've never left them, just siding with them against myself, putting myself aside and following them. So every time they and now anyone comes near me, and especially if they speak to me, I am ready to ditch myself and be with them willing to do as they say and go along with them unable to stay with myself. So I effectively disappear ceasing to exist because only they exist, all of which makes me feel very depressed, lonely, and also angry the more I see that's what happening - what I do to myself. The other person isn't demanding I do it, not like mum and dad did, it's all my own doing now and I can't stop it.
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