We know God is real when we personally experience Him. We can be told someone exists, and we can believe he exists, but we won’t know for sure that he does exist until we experience his existence.
Jesus tells us we can experience God by longing directly to God for His Divine Love. And when you feel the Love flowing into your heart and soul, you know because of the experience of feeling loved by God that He is real.
It’s a relationship, like any relationship, the experience of two personalities interacting and getting to know each other. And you don’t need a book to tell you how to have such an experience, you only need yourself and the other person - God.
God is Personality, we are personalities, so we can experience each other through love. We can only truly experience another personality (and our own personality) through love, for without love, we’re denying true personality experience - we hate the other person, as we hate ourselves.
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I wondered did Mary M and Jesus. Ever spoke about their childhood. The history channel spoke about Jesus doing bad things in The Book of Thomas as a child. What are your thoughts on that and why wouldn't they speak on being younger
In the Urantia Book's fourth section, the Life and Teachings it covers a lot Jesus' childhood. And Jesus has told me he's happy with what's said in it. But it's a lot to read.
Also, bearing in mind both Mary and Jesus we perfect, were completely unaffected by the evil influences of their parents and society as they were growing up - however that happened - means they wouldn't do bad things, not evil things, not things to hurt or deny themselves, other people, or nature. They lived always true to themselves unlike us, so even if we judged things they did as bad, that would only be our misunderstanding and projection of our badness onto them. They are the Living Truth, so the Living Perfection in all forms, so in the human form whilst they were incarnate in flesh. Also I'd personally take anything the Bible says about Jesus or what anyone ascribes to him based on the book with a grain of salt.
And what sort of things did you have in mind about their childhood - what would you like to know, I can ask them if you like.
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I guess growing pains and dealing with the everyday life as a child. How being perfect effected them with other children their age. How was it different from being perfect to having their souls transformed in their later years.
Sunday, 20 April 2014 Mary, Wesley has asked me about yours and Jesus’ childhood - did you have growing pains and how did you cope with everyday life as a child; how being perfect was with other children, and how was your early perfect natural love life different from your later divine love life having transformed your souls with the Divine Love.
I will speak for Jesus in certain things, as I know it was the same for him, however he will tell you about other things himself. Neither of us had growing pains, we never felt unhappy, dissatisfied, powerless, angry because of being mistreated to the point of having our wills interfered with - we did feel angry when our wills were threatened stopping us from functioning perfectly, however both our parents allowed us to fully express such anger and backed off looking to see what they had done so they wouldn’t do it again. And this parenting allowed us to grow up wilfully with our wills in tact along with our status of being of perfect natural love. Being both the first child, our parents weren’t aware of what having children was all about, not on a personal level. And generally in our day children were given more freedom anyway than you have now, and as both Jesus and I wanted to go along with our parents, we didn’t rebel or reject them, we loved them, we didn’t force ourselves on or dominate them. And our parents although finding us wilful, didn’t find us wanting to defy them or go against them too much, so mostly they allowed us our say, and things were relatively easy for them with us. As for myself, my father was away a lot being a merchant traveling to lots of different cities and other countries trading, and sometimes we went with him as a family, but mostly it was our mother who looked after the family along with her two sisters, one of whom didn’t have children of her own. So for myself growing up was an easy enjoyable experience. I readily asserted my will, and was allowed to mostly have things as I wanted them to be, that only changing more as I grew older having to fit in with what was considered right for girls and women in general. Through my teenage years this restriction greatly angered me as I saw how unfair and unjust it was for women and girls, but I felt within myself that I had to conform, particularly as I didn’t want to bring shame upon my family or hurt them, so I accepted my lower status in life along with all other women. And it wasn’t that bad because as the men were mostly away, we could do what we wanted within the restrictions of our society, and because there were so many other women and girls being as I was, it was easier to fit in and go along with it all. However as I got older I could feel how wrong it all was and at some point I would break free and live how I wanted to live. And part of that was when I refused to get married, that caused my parents a lot of pain, but I said I would do it on my terms and when I wanted to, and they had to accept that, and I also told them I would be childless, this I just knew within myself right from my earliest memories. I delighted in being with and looking after my brother and sisters, we all got on very well although Malfus was alway a lot traveling with my father.
Is the correct spelling Mary?
It doesn’t matter James, as you know other people are to write out the life and times of Jesus and myself by speaking directly with us, and such things will be corrected should they not be right.
But shouldn’t I get them right, I mean, there is no way for me to know if I am right, I can just type the best I feel to type. I did think it was Malthus, but then kept feeling more and saying it in my mind - ‘f’... Mal... fus.
Yes, that’s what I impressed on your mind, and that’s what I want, so you can be happy with that.
Okay, sorry, please go on.
You must voice your concerns James at any time. I know you’re not good with names, dates and places that might be checked and so prove you to be wrong, but that doesn’t matter either because I might give you incorrect names, dates and places on purpose, you don’t know unless I tell you.
But why would you make it incorrect on purpose?
There are infinite reasons James. Look at how Jesus framed the Padgett Messages - are they all true and correct, as you might like them to be?
They are as far as I’m concerned only they have left out a lot of helpful truth and information. Okay, so I’m just a conduit to convey whatever it is you want, which might affect myself and my readers in all sorts of ways. Yes, I can accept that, which is how I want it to, so I will leave my mind out of it - if I can.
Exactly, and that’s how it is for all spirit-mortal work, there is far more always going on behind the scenes that which we can convey to you, and often it’s not for you to know anyway, so sometimes we are perhaps not as forthcoming as we might have been. As far as being with other children James, you see I grew up just like everyone else - a normal girl child of my day. I didn’t do anything remarkable, there wasn’t any sign that within my soul was my Creator Daughter light. And in fact no one ever saw that right through my life on Earth as it was kept denied, I never came into my full and true power like Jesus did. I didn’t have my official baptism of light and rise up into being who I truly am, that all happened upon my death and arrival in spirit. And as I’ve told you, I was to make a study of the psychology of evil, by being fully subjected to it right the way through my life, so as a child growing up surrounded but it and then also as an adult. Certain signs and hints were there for those who might have been astute enough to perceive my ‘hidden identity’ such as Jesus could, but no one Earth was capable of seeing that, nor any of the mind spirits. Only those spirits who were of a Celestial level of truth looking in at Jesus and myself, and higher divine universal spirit and angelic personalities.
Okay, so for all intents and purposes you were just a regular girl growing up.
Yes. One thing that did impress my parents, was that without the same schooling and religious teachings the boys and my brother got, I was still more intelligent than him and most other boys and men, and because of my parents love and respect for me, they never felt threatened by this, and mostly I kept it all low key anyway. When I decided to set up the sanctuary for deserted and unwanted poor women asking my father to help me financially and to arrange for the building I wanted to do it in, then he saw that I was different to everyone else because no one did such a thing. My parents couldn’t really understand my desire to do such thing because by associating with such ‘evil women’ I would naturally be considered one of them as well, however I was too self-assured for them to make me stop or for them to go against me, so they supported me, and in our circle I was accepted as being a bit odd, but also secretly praised and supported because all women felt for the plight of such unwanted women, even though they couldn’t do anything outwardly to help them. When I met Jesus he introduced me to the notion of longing to the Father for His Divine Love, then upon receiving the Love things did start to change within myself, and quite dramatically. As my soul transformed which I could feel on a daily basis with the Holy Spirit and Divine Minister attending me, so I started to relate to God as also my Heavenly Mother, which I told Jesus about. He too then related to God as both his Father and Mother but decided it would be too much, and not in keeping with the mandate the Father was revealing to him, as to how he was to live his life and what truths he was to reveal. We often talked about such things as we planned our lives together including how we wanted people to see us, knowing why we wanted it that way, the way of our soul, the way of our Heavenly and Soul Parents. But all the way along I kept growing, I knew all what Jesus was speaking about, and really the part I played as being his most beloved follower and my asking him endless probing and far reaching questions was just to help other people understand more about what he was teaching. I didn’t need to ask him as I knew the answers myself, but it developed that way, as we entered into our secret liaison, secret in as much as increasingly understanding who were, why we were on Earth, all about the Rebellion, and how humanity was going to take all we said and add it to its evilness and deny us, and how it wouldn’t be until the arrival of another high Daughter and Son that the real healing would begin.
So you and Jesus were completely aware of all that you were and all you were doing all the time.
Yes. Only marginally to begin with, but enough for us to evolve and grow into, which we did and continued to do for about a hundred years after my death. Then by that time we felt fully in command of ourselves and Nebadon, having been through the whole incarnation process. Whilst on Earth every day we were learning more about ourselves, it coming to us from our soul through feelings, but only a fraction of which we revealed to humanity. You see James, our coming wasn’t about being the Great Leaders who were to stop the Rebellion, heal everyone, and lead them to the Paradise - the Promised Land. We only really came to end the Rebellion and experience incarnating into it. We came for the whole of Nebadon, not just humanity. It’s the Avonals who will be just for humanity, not having to concern themselves with the greater whole and running of a local universe. So we very quickly understood the limitations we were subjected to, humanity was still very immature psychology, it was still steeped too heavily in superstition, it still wanted to be controlled and was still too controlling, just as it still is. We didn’t come when it was time and humanity was ready for and calling out to be shown the way to heal itself of its evilness. It was still wanting to explore and push further and deeper into its rebellion of self, and rebellion against truth, and so rebellion against Jesus and I. And for all the apostles both men and women are said to have been, being the great followers of Jesus and myself, really such men and women had no idea and couldn’t truly follow us, not until they’d done their healing, which they were unable to do until they were in the mansion worlds, and the healing ones that were just being made available because of Jesus’ and my coming. James, mostly we’ve talked about this before, so there is no further need to keep going over it. As we’ve told you, Jesus and I are not going to reveal too much more about our personal lives on Earth because that is for those people in future, when humanity will be more receptive to it, and when such individuals will be of a Celestial truth and so able to receive our information truly. So I will end now, and give you over to Jesus.
Okay, thank you Mary for what you have said.
Jesus: James, I too am not going to add anything further, Mary has covered it enough, and I’ve told you quite a bit about myself through our writing together. I would suggest your readers read all of your work with us and they will gain a better understanding albeit incomplete, about how it was for us.
I’ve not as yet made it all publicly available, I’m yet to read over it all. I keep wanting to write more new stuff.
I understand James and that’s more important anyway, for there is a lot for you to reveal, it all being part of your self-expression as you are healing yourself and progressively becoming truer. But in time it will all be available for your readers, and should they miss out when on Earth, they’ll be able to catch up with it all when in spirit should they still want to.
Is there more about your early life on Earth available in spirit Jesus, I should think every second would have be well documented.
It was, and yes, a vast amount, however that’s not to say it will be readily made available to humanity on Earth any time soon. Over time it all will, but there are certain things that need to happen in a certain sequence, with such ongoing revelation being part of that. And something you can think about James, you see humanity is really to focus on the Avonal pair, they are not to be glossed over for Mary and myself. So we want to limit the ‘presence’ of ourselves so to speak, so as not to overshadow the Avonal pair too much. Humanity is to understand we are the true spiritual mother and father of the whole of Nebadon, not just humanity on Urantia because of our incarnation on your world. And that in fact it is the Avonal pair who are your true spiritual mother and father and really should be looked to as such. But this will make more sense when they have completed their healing and begin their public work, but things need to kept in their right perspective, and people will gain far more help form the Avonal pair so far as being able to understand what their healing involves and to heal themselves than they will from anything Mary and I might say. And this is why we stress that you are to keep focused on your feelings and healing yourself through them, for then you’ll be also focused on the Avonal pair, even if you don’t know who they are. And that once your healing is complete, then the Avonals will be effectively handing you over to Mary and I, and so including the truths about longing for the Divine Love and what it will do to your natural love soul, and then you will move away from the Avonals toward us becoming more a universal citizen of Nebadon, rather than just a citizen of Earth.
But already Samantha and Wesley for example are gaining a lot of help from yours and Mary’s Spirits of Truth.
Yes, as are they gaining even more help unbeknownst to them from the Avonal pair. But it’s not time for all of that yet, first things first, and so we will keep talking to you and other people will keep drawing upon our Spirits of Truth as required.
It’s all beginning to feel quite exciting Jesus, like all you and Mary have told me might actually be happening. Not that I doubt you...
Doubt away James, of course you must doubt us because how do you not know that we’re not just like your parents who told you a bunch of lies just to shut you up so you wouldn’t bother them. You have to work it all out for yourself and through your feelings James. And that all takes a lot of time, there’s a lot for you and Marion and anyone who wants to begin their healing, to do. But time will tell, the more true you become to your feelings, then you’ll know for yourselves, and you won’t need to rely on the likes of Mary and myself. We want you all to become self-revealing so you can work it all out for yourselves through your feelings really making us superfluous to your needs. You are to move through and past us. It is after all, all to be in the end, between yourselves and the Mother and Father, Mary and I are just the ‘middlemen’, nothing more than one small stepping stone on your eternal journey with the true Parents of your soul. That is enough for now James, you have more now to write about to do with other subjects that are far more important than how it was for Mary and I during our early life.
Yes, but the more we can gain a picture and feeling for you the more it helps us.
The more you express all your bad feelings, fully acknowledging them, living true to them, and longing for the truth and uncovering it - that is what will make it all the better for you. Speak to you soon James.
Thank you Jesus.
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Tuesday, 22 April 2014 Mary, Wesley also asked me to ask you and Jesus if there is anything you can say about his experiencing a strong vibration within himself when he concentrates on names of various spirits, such as yourself, and Ann Rollins from the Padgett Messages.
Yes James, I have read what you read from him, and I am aware of what he’s going through. I will address my reply to Wesley himself. Wesley, to begin with, and so in keeping with your desire to do your soul-healing, it is important that you focus on any feelings, good or bad, that occur when you have the experience or what results from it. You understand, it’s not so much about working out why this happens or how it happens, but accepting and expressing and seeking the truths of such feelings. What I want you and those people doing their healing to understand, is that you are always to keep focused on your feelings, coming out of your mind and trying to work out things with it. So, having said that, now I will tell you that such experiences are happening to you Wesley as a way for your soul to help you bypass the control of your mind. So such vibrations set up within you, all of which are affecting you on inner or more subtle levels within your aura which in turn will have an effect in your waking life. You might liken them to having a dream, you have the dream on a different level of reality to your normal waking state which your mind has control over, so your dream helps to stimulate deeper levels within you to surface and ultimately penetrate that upper mind control. So it’s simply a way to stir you up, so more deeper feelings will be able to surface allowing you to experience and connect with them, all of which will help create your evolving picture of yourself in your evilness and so how it was with you and your parents. The vibrations also help you to feel comforted to some degree, as if you are drawing some sort of comfort from the very personalities themselves, however it is all actually happening within yourself, these personalities being symbolic or representing aspects of yourself, helping you to drawn inner comfort from yourself if you like. And this comfort is necessary to then allow you, by using its strength, move deeper into more bad feelings, and those parts of yourself that you are at odds with your feeling true self, that are where your self-hated lies. James has experiences this often in that, as he progresses in his healing, one part of him feels better within himself, is more self-loving, then with that increased strength he is able to face and deal with, and so accept, more of the horrible bad unloving parts of himself coming up, so your vibrations are acting in this way to help you set down deeper into your pain. In time they will go because you will have grown in truth to the levels by which the truth will then act as the self-loving comfort that will become your platform from which to can move yet deeper into your negative state. It would be too much to ask you, to ask anyone, to just have to face all the pain and trauma of your early life without any inner support, it would of itself be even more damaging. So your healing works by healing a small part of yourself, which then acts as a brace or support from which you can then delve into the next bad part. Then once you’ve healed a bit more, with that increased self-love you are ready to tackle the next deeper part, and so on until it’s all gone from you and you are only left with the truth feeling completely self-loving and self-comforting. This information James has considered with his mind but Jesus and I have not as yet discussed it with him. However now that I have gone over it concerning yourself Wesley, James understands it, so should you have any more questions about, I’m sure he’ll be able to answer them. My love to you Wesley, Mary M.
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WoW!!!! Thankyou James I am going to study this and breakdown every line. After so I am going to jump over to Yours and Marion healing experience. And Thank you Mary and Jesus. A little of what was said I felt that symbolicness there myself because I knew deep down that these personalities werent present everytime I felt these vibrations. The last line I will have questions James because I sort of like to understand everything that is written from myself and your perspective. I am now studying it and will be back soon.
I've read half of yours and Marion's experience and I couldn't stop reading. What a beautiful read for me. Brought tears to my eyes I felt nothing like that being full of Truth unlike anything I ever read. I'm routing for you 2. I felt it deep in my heart. I like to pray for this to be a top book on soul healing. And I am also inspired by it and going to finish it. Some parts sounds like how I am which also made me laugh. Takes a lot to tell a story with so much truth.