Hell

with a Celestial spirit talking about Hell and the Hells

James: Yes, I understand, it makes sense and I am more than happy to stick with you Nanna Beth.

Nanna Beth: Good, so I will tell you what you want to know about the Hells.
    As you understand, there are two main areas of what are collectively and loosely called: The Hells. There are the lower planes and sectors therein of the first mansion world; and there are lower planes and sectors therein of the two Earth planes, these two areas usually being grouped together and referred to as one of two main hell areas. The mansion world hells are not as bad as the earth-plane hells. The mansion world hells are for spirits that basically have within their heart the desire to be good and loving, yet just can’t help themselves doing bad things to other people, spirits, creatures - including all nature, and themselves. And when I say spirits, they can’t actually hurt or kill them like they did people and creatures on earth, yet still they can’t help themselves being unloving with the intention of hurting them. With such unconscious compulsions of course coming from early childhood.
    So someone who simply lashes out uncontrollably killing someone else, and does that more than just by accidental rage, so they obviously have a very deep-seated problem they can’t control; someone who might under the influence of alcohol or drugs do bad things, such as rape or hit, harm, kill another in some way, yet when they are sober are full of remorse, hating themselves for being as they are and wishing they weren’t, yet with no way of being able to control or stop themselves. So they are not maliciously inclined, they have not stepped over the line wanting to hurt, and enjoying hurting and causing misery and suffering in another. They don’t gain pleasure from their abusive behaviour, so they are basically fit for mansion world life, yet can’t help themselves when their buttons are pushed, feeling very regretful and full of guilt about what they’ve done, and desperately wanting help to heal themselves, to get rid of the ‘devil’ or ‘evil spirit’ or ‘bad steak’, whatever they see it is within them, being unable to do anything to help themselves. So, the man who comes home and beats his wife under the influence of alcohol and then when sober wants to kill and beat himself with shame, begging her for forgiveness, swearing he will never do it again, only for his pattern to keep repeating right the way through his life. Someone you’d probably hate, and yet at the same time feel deeply sorry for, because they know they are bad, they are doing bad and wrong things hurting someone else, yet are powerless to stop themselves.
    So these people, and you’d be surprised just how many of them there are, come into the first mansion world like all do upon death, and then are taken to the lower recovery planes - the ‘little hells’, where they have to settle the Law of Compensation for all the pain they have caused.
    Mostly how their ‘payback’ time goes, is they begin with a period of isolation which can vary in length, from months to years, in which they live in a part of the plane that’s congenial to their state of mind, and like a low security gaol. They can set up their surroundings to suit their requirements, in contrast with the likes of M___ in the ‘Big Hells’, who doesn’t get a say in anything, is put in his ‘cell’ of which he’s not really even aware, because very soon his pain will intensify to such a degree that he’ll all but be consumed by it, so his solitary confinement is all within himself; whereas in the little hells you are freer to be alone in more liveable surroundings, and can even interact with other spirits on similar levels or with higher ones who will come giving counsel and support.
    So these little hell spirits go through waves of pain, just how it was for them during their lives, they’ll feel relatively normal, and then when they were hurting the other person or creature, in their hell when the cycle comes around, that pain is inflicted on them by their own soul, with their unseen angels organising it for them by adjusting their aura so as to make the level of pain required to settle each of their transgressions. So they have to work back through each wrong they did.
    And over time many small changes happen to them in their psyche and psychologically, and they slowly come to understand that they can’t escape from the wrong they have done, and they begin to want to suffer the pain they have caused; it’s penance, they are paying for their crime, they come to agree it’s a fair punishment, and they start to willingly accept and embrace and even want it. And it gets to the point by the end of it all where they are so accepting of it, having changed themselves psychologically and on all levels, which we call psychically, that they no longer feel the pain because there is no longer any pain to feel. The end of their pain coincides with their complete self-acceptance as to what an evil, sinful, unloving person they’ve been, seeing through their feelings all the hurt they caused.
    Often such people, even though they are regretful of the pain they inflict whilst doing it or afterwards, don’t really understand the full extent of pain and suffering they are causing. They might see the results of their anger, a broken arm, black eyes and bruises on their children and spouse, and feel very bad for what they have uncontrollably done, saying they are sorry and trying to make amends, yet remain completely ignorant of the broader pain and suffering they are causing. Such as, how their partner changes over time because of being unable to leave them, trapped within their madness, what psychological effects they undergo and endure; and then the children, the pets, the neighbours, anyone and everyone who is negatively affected. And all of that, all the ramifications of their wrongness, all the levels of pain and suffering, they have to see and feel for themselves. And you have to feel it fully because that is the only way you can really see the truth of it, as you know James now from your own Healing.
The average ‘good’ person, which are the majority of spirits arriving in spirit, someone who doesn’t do anything really bad, doesn’t harm others intentionally or even in such an unwitting unconscious state when they are not of their right mind being under the influence of some mind-altering substance, or even if because of psychosis of their mind, don’t have to undergo anything more than what is commonly called a Life Review, in which they endure a time of seeing their misdemeanours, how they were a shit in that situation, how they inadvertently hurt that person or creature, feeling bad for a relatively short time, but nothing like being in what could be termed a state of hell. And then once they’ve seen these bad parts of their lives and themselves, move on into the general mansion world population moving to whatever level they achieved whilst on Earth.
But if you’re worse than just being in a general or normal sort of loving/unloving state, of wanting to be good and do good, not wanting to hurt another person or creature, even though you kick the dog and squash the spider, farm your livestock, yell occasionally at your neighbour, wife and kids, punch the other guy in the pub fight, ripped that person off because why not the opportunity presented itself and you took it, yet generally you don’t set out to rip everyone off; if you are worse than this general run of the mill level, then you move into the little or Big Hells.
    So we all have to settle the Law of Compensation on some level when we first arrive in the mansion worlds. With some people having very little to nothing to settle because they’ve not hurt anyone or any creature, nor themselves, they have done good and tried their best and been what is generally called loving - with a loving heart and honourable intentions. And over the years the parameters as to what qualifies for how much payback one has to do, has changed as humanity has evolved, it all in keeping with the tenets of the Rebellion. So all the stuff Dante imagined he saw constituting the Hells in his day, was more along those lines of vast numbers of spirits in places of hardship in the underworld having to pay for their various sins. But all that old fire and brimstone stuff, the extremes of heat and cold, suffering the ravages of starvation, obesity, eternal disease, having to deal with wild animals and half-man half-animal creatures, having to pay for your crimes of sin to be allowed into Paradise, the higher levels of the Church where they believe God is located, doesn’t exist anymore. And even when it did, it was all just the imaginings of those who believed they should live in such places being subjected to such unspeakable depravations and horrors; and it’s still the same today, it’s your beliefs that determine your state and so affect your surroundings, but people’s beliefs and expectations have changed, the world is more civilised today, and so too are how you undergo your time in the Hells and live in the mansion worlds.
    For the people, now spirits, who have enjoyed inflicting pain, have maliciously wanted to hurt others, who calculate how to go about it deriving great pleasure from the power they gain; and from personally physically hurting by torturing another person or creature, to doing it impersonally, as M___ did by wielding great monetary power, torturing people he never saw through economic deprivation, including the whole world being subjected to debt-slavery controlled by the hidden power people, and the politicians who are in it all for their own gain without any feeling of care about the actual people they are supposed to serve; all that sort of attitude, because you hate everyone with a passion, and you want revenge, you feel hard done by and you are going to get what you can from whomever and you don’t care how much pain and suffering you inflict, all the worst of the worst, go into living in the Big Hells.
    And the Big Hells are in both the Earth planes; so with people - now spirits - who have no spiritual inclination whatsoever, who are completely materially and physically based, live in the lowest earth-plane hells; whilst those with a tiny bit of a spiritual inkling, like a belief in God, a religious zeal and underpinning driving motivation, live in the slightly higher earth-plane hells.
And within both Earth planes, the hell-planes are graded into seven sub-planes, each of which contain numerous sectors providing for the needs of what these sprits are to be subjected to settling the Law of Compensation as it works upon them. And the worst of the worst, most heinous, depraved and despicable of humanity on these debouched levels, are contained within the lowest sub-planes of these two earth-plane hell zones.
    I will add, the hells in the Earth planes and first mansion world are completely separated from the rest of the Earth plane and first mansion world. Only with special permission can you gain entry into them. They are treated by the Higher Ups with upmost respect. These are the most depraved, defiled and the most twisted of rebellious humanity; they are the most fucked who live in the hells, and they are completely rejected. However, they are not treated at all as if they are garbage to be used and abused as part of their punishment, to be thrown to the wolves, now they have been depowered. No, not at all, they are loved because we all understand they didn’t choose to be as they were, it was forced upon them, as it is for all of us. They just got the very rotten end of the stick in the way of hurting others. So they are respected for being the horrors they are, and yet they too are not the worst of us being evil, for they are just one extreme of our wrongness.
    And when you compare them to the evil inflicted by the well-meaning Enlightened Ones, spirits who know the rules and play by them, so are ‘all-loving’, using their minds to avoid the Law of Compensation, whilst being anti truth and anti true love, are more evil in a way than those in the hell planes. So you can see, it’s not just a matter of: those hell spirits are evil and the rest of us are not; they are the baddies and we’re the goodies, like so many people on Earth see it; no, for whilst anyone is in and of the Rebellion and Default, they are bad, there are different faces of bad, different levels of the Rebellion, all being reflected in the differing levels of the seven mansion worlds and two Earth planes.
    And really, the worst of the worst, are not the debauched or depraved, but those poor people and spirits who feel completely depowered, have no self-love, self-respect or self-esteem, feel completely beaten and downtrodden, having hardly any will to survive, and yet are forced to keep going by their physical body not dying or the society of spirits they live in, these are the real poor ‘devils’ of humanity, the poor ones who don’t hurt anyone else or any other creature because they can’t hurt anyone other themselves, and they can’t even do that very well, they are too miserable, too depressed, too fucked, these people show the real face of the worst of humanity’s wrongness; the worst of feeling unloved, being the most expressively true to it by not trying to avoid it using their mind to empower themselves. People and spirits who live in the hells had some say in their lives, they mostly thought very well of themselves, had inflated egos and had a lot of power during their Earth lives; they could hit, hurt, maim and kill, they could self-mutilate with relish, which is not the same as feeling so miserable and beaten down that you can hardly get of bed or the institution you’ve been consigned to because of feeling so depressed about yourself and your rotten life.
And when these ‘very poor ones’ come to spirit, they often need a lot of nurturing, time alone, gentle bringing back to life, and nothing like the full-on intense wilful pain those in the hells suffer.
    So life in hell is not a dead time by any means. As I said, it’s screaming and writhing with agony, it is full-on, very intense, and has to be so as to affect the desired changes in the deepest parts of the psyche of these spirits. For they have to be brought to account, and to see that how they relished hurting others, dishing out their savage torture, making others suffer, was wrong, and they have to feel and know the truth that it was wrong to the very core of their being, so they know they never want to be that way again; and so like a child, are forced to change the deepest aspects of their being, which is still really those deepest beliefs within their mind, with their feeling systems also changing accordingly. They are not fully Healing these terrible aspects of themselves, the very bad beliefs and behaviours, the patterns of mind and will that drive them, are only adjusting and changing so as to enable them to live like more normal spirits, more or less in harmony with the Law of Compensation, so able to one day resume regular rebellious life in the first mansion world.
   You know how intense it was for you as a child being forced to go against yourself and to become the fucked-up distorted person you turned out to be James, well it is the same for these Hell people and spirits, only their parenting allowed them to take out their pain and powerlessness on others, so they grew up believing that it was the right way to be, it was good, it was fun, it was what you had to do, so they did it, it becoming their unloving pattern. So those extreme patterns have to be changed, and there’s only one way to change yourself to that degree, and that is through extensive pain. So the angels work the desired pain following the commands of the spirit’s soul. And in the end it all works back to them becoming someone who is then a normal functional member of first mansion world rebellious society. As I said, they are not completely Healed, for they don’t work on healing their childhood patterns as you do through your Healing, yet these patterns are modified allowing them to no longer be the monsters they are, and being able to live a reasonable ‘loving’ life like the rest of the mansion world spirits.
    So all the pain from the Life Review through the various Hell levels, is all concerning what you’ve done as an adult in your negative unloving pattern to yourself, others, adults and children, and creatures. However it doesn’t include parenting. Parenting is kept seperate and is solely dealt with through your Healing. Sexual abuse, for example, of your own child, is also kept for your Healing, however if you sexually abused someone else’s child, then time will be spent in compensation for that pain inflicted, in the Hells.
    All the pain inflicted in parenting is reserved for your Healing. You might touch on parts of it as you do some lower level healing of yourself, which really amounts to adjustments to your unloving, negative pattern, but nothing like what you’ll undergo through your Healing when you have to see and feel the damage you inflicted on your children from conception right the way through their childhood. However because this is so intense and so much, and because it’s intimately tied up with how you were parented, so it’s reserved, as I said, as being part of your Healing. And then also through your Healing so too will you revisit all the pain you might have inflicted on other people, spirits, creatures, that which you experienced in the Hells, yet only enough for you to work consciously with those bad feelings, bringing them up again so you can now finally uncover the whole truth of them, so understand how it came about, how it all fits into all you are, all you went through, all you did and why you did it, all from the causes formed during your early life. So our Healing involves ONLY the necessary pain for us to uncover the truth of our unlovingness, the truth of our rebelliousness state, and how it has been for us as part of the Default. We don’t have to suffer every ounce of pain endlessly paying for our sins and errors, we only need that amount of pain to make us see the necessary truths, and once the truths are seen, and you feel them and know they are real and true, so that pain is no longer required, so goes, and this is where it’s said the Law of Forgiveness comes in over the top of the Law of Compensation. So true forgiveness can only be sought through your feelings looking for truth of them. And this can happen at any time, yet mostly for us spirits, and it will be same for people on Earth, it’s only if you want to do your Feeling Healing or Soul Healing with the Divine Love, that you’ll completely be able to free yourself - be forgiven for being rebellious.
    And even though the Rebellion and Default were forced on us, so you might ask: why do we have to be forgiven for something we had no say in; the fact is, once we were conceived into it, we took it on, we became it, we willed ourselves into being it, even if we didn’t know we were and it was against our will; still, our will engaged, and so because of that is why we then have to ask for forgiveness, choosing to no longer be how we are, wanting to be loving and good and right and with God, not living bad, wrong and against God. So if you do sincerely want to live God’s Will, which means, be true and perfect, then the only way to achieve that is by doing your Healing. And that is your whole Soul Healing, so including the Divine Love. You can do your Feeling Healing, perfecting your Natural love, and that is still much better than living in rebellion against it, yet still it won’t allow you entry into the higher Celestial spheres and to continue your ascent of truth to Paradise.
    And as Helen touched on the other day James, and to conclude this about the Hells, for those spirits subjected to the Big Hells, they usually are more open to moving on into doing their Healing once their time in the Hell finishes, because of being stripped back to feeling they are nothing and no one, and so seeing the absurdity of the mind mansion world life when they are reintroduced to it. Then those in the little hells are a little less inclined to move on into their Healing, as their hellish time wasn’t as bad or intense. And then people in regular mansion world life with their Life Reviews, once they’ve had their hand smacked for being a bit naughty, are usually more than happy to get on crafting their new mind-controlled mansion world existence. So on a percentage level, they are the least inclined to move on into their Healing and the most abundant of mind spirits, and mostly will need to live a long time, and sometimes, even a very long time, thoroughly exploring their new mind life, loving all the pleasures of their spirit mind, with many moving eventually to the upper sixth world indulging in their mind-created nirvana and blissed out state of mind-contrived love, believing they are Enlightened and at-one with the Mind of God.

James: Marion was saying that when we are in spirit, it is the state we are that we live, in that, we can’t disguise it with the physical. So we are to be true to it, so L__ M___ is really in that state warranted by his now being in the Hells, because he’s in hell within himself, it being closer to his true state, that which he’ll uncover through his Healing.

Nanna Beth: Exactly James. It’s the first step in taking you closer to the truth of yourself, however it’s still within or under the control of the Rebellion and Default, so you can still use your mind to outwardly change yourself, that being how the mind spirits live. But for the spirits in the various hells, they are for that time at least, closer to the truth of their true state, which is as you say, what they come to understand through their Healing.

James: So the mind spirits are really working to avoid the Law of Compensation, doing all they can to avoid it by using their mind to ensure they are ‘loving’ and not hurting other spirits, even though they are still actually hurting themselves because of their unloving states. And so really I guess it’s the Law of Compensation acting on them by default that is making them, and so controlling, the mind worlds.

Nanna Beth: Yes, they are still hurting themselves, and even others by default, but not enough as adults to warrant activation of the Law of Compensation, even though the Law is actually working all the time. So yes, the Law determines how we are, only in the mind state you have to use your mind to keep it from inflicting pain on you, by not inflicting pain on others, thereby inadvertently advancing your wrongness; whereas in the Healing worlds, it works for you helping you bring up your repressed feelings, and all the hidden pain within you.

James: And what about Dante’s Capital sins: Pride, Envy, Wrath, Sloth, Covetousness, Gluttony and Lust - and all the Catholic levels of having to compensate for each of them?

Nanna Beth: It’s just imaginary James, their fantasy in keeping with the beliefs they’ve constructed over the years. For as you know, your Healing takes care of all those things. Certainly they are all part of our wrongness, and need to be brought to light if they are part of your pattern, and they will come out with all the feelings involved; however, like all you go through, if through them you’ve hurt others inflicting your will over them - against their will, then you’ll have to compensate for that by feeling that amount of pain you’ve caused the other. But it’s all pain, it doesn’t so matter where your pain is centred in the end, although of course you have to see all the parts of yourself; however, you can live in your home in your appropriate Healing mansion world, doing your Soul-Healing and growing in truth, without the need to go anywhere else. You don’t have to spend long times in the abyss and eternal darkness of hell, traversing the Inferno and Purgatory on your way to Paradise.

James: I read a channelled message from a spirit years ago which talked about how at the entry stage into their new life in spirit, many of the Catholic spirits have to climb this huge stairway, I guess like in Dante’s Purgatory, so as to repent and pay penance for their sins. With the length, duration and arduousness of the climb being reflective of the amount of their sin. Does that sort of thing still exist?

Nanna Beth: No, not any longer, things have moved on. Spirits from the various religions come over into their arrival wards in the sectors of their religion, where they wake up and are attended to by those of their kind - of like belief. Then if they are to endure the Pains of Hell, they will be taken to the lower worlds to do their time; and if not, they mostly carry on fitting into the society of their religious sector. However very quickly, a lot of those spirits of the various religions that are not real adherents, only partial or part time participants, yet still over-all believers, drift or move away from the cloyingness of the intense religious sectors and all their piousness, into a more secular life. And then there are all the usual struggles of trying to bring back into the fold those who drift away, which is now where all the mind spirits are more focused as they have such time spare to devote to such purposes owing to our thwarting their control over their adherents on Earth.

James: Are you seeing any real change on Earth because of you Celestials stopping the heavy mind spirit control?

Nanna Beth: We are, certain cracks are beginning to show. Certain main controlling figures are beginning to wonder why they are not feeling as inspired as they used to feel. Some are thinking they are getting too old for it and are retiring, others are making up more stuff using their own mind to fill the gaps, so overall there is a slow decay, which will steadily gather pace.
In a few years from now, a lot of people will be brought to question their faith, and because they won’t receive the unseen support of the mind spirits, will be disappointed and find it wanting, and will be open to new things. Their religion will no longer ‘do it for them’ and so their ‘faith’ will wane.
    And that is to continue, for there is as I’ve told you, not going to be resumed input from the mind spirits anytime soon, not at least for a 1000 years. So within ten years there will come serious change, a real shifting within humanity of religious loyalties. Much more questioning, much more madness and nonsense as people make up stuff trying to make themselves feel more secure, yet also more real true seekers, people who do generally want answers, and ones that resonate with their feelings and not their mind.

James: With these people being the one’s J___ will want to reach out to?

Nanna Beth: Yes; to alert people to other possibilities, to show there is another way, and one that would be better for you, one that is much more about doing your own spiritual thing with God and so without the need for a mainstream religion. People feel secure in their religion when it’s all they’ve known, but what do they do when their beloved religion no longer makes them feel secure, and even goes the other way making them feel scared? And the pressure to change will build, it will be relentless and coming from all sides, including from the unseen and mostly unknown Celestial spheres.

James: Thank you again Nanna Beth, that was great all you said about the Hells, that puts them more into context, understanding that it does, as we know, all exist for us to see the truth, and the pain we’re all suffering is only because we’re stopping ourselves going with our feelings to reveal it.

Nanna Beth: I’ll leave you to rest and read through what you wrote. I’ll be here if you need me at any time. I’ll also be here helping you edit and proof read.