The real answer is: as long as it takes. How can anyone know? We can’t, we just have to live it.
However I want to say, that just because Marion’s and my healing has taken so far twenty years together, with Marion working on herself for five years before she met me, that doesn’t necessarily mean it will take everyone this long or longer.
When I think of the time it took for Helen Padgett to ascend into the Celestial spheres, from all she said in the Padgett Messages if it can be believed and is correct, was only about, if my memory is right, a year and a half. I questioned Mary about this, but Mary says it was that short for Helen, but that she was exceptional not having so much to heal.
Still I find it very hard to imagine anyone doing it that fast and not having ‘that much to heal’, even if one can do it faster in spirit that one can on Earth, but even that I don’t know for sure.
So we’ll just have to wait and see what people have to do through in their healing and how long it takes them.
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The Divine Love does the healing itself. One needs not soul healing for that is redundant.
The Divine Love makes a man into a divine angel, and transform the very soul into perfectly Divine, no flaws, nothing.
It seems to me that your healing will never end. You wallow in your own misery and that itself is self hatred. Naturally you are a sensitive individual, and I get that we all lived through hard times. It ain't easy.
You may ask, who is this? I am the voice of an Angel speaking to my Recorder who is shall remain anonymous.
Alright, you are an ‘Angel’, which I take as a Celestial ‘angel’, or simply a Celestial spirit as it makes it easier to understand without confusing the issue with real angels, and you seem to be coming from the understanding of what is in the Padgett Messages. So let me ask you ask via your Recorder, can you tell me about your transformation, what was it like for you as you worked your way up through the Divine Love mansion worlds? What did your healing/transformation consist of - what did you do in the mansion worlds, and what do you now do in the Celestial spheres? Did you simply pray for the Divine Love and all your sins and errors were transformed? And what did that feel like? How did it happen? Where you aware of it happening or did you just wake up one day and it had happened? And if so, presuming this is what happened to you as you say it is what the Divine Love does for us, then what truth did you uncover about your wrongness, about why God put in the yuk to start with, and why you needed to heal yourself in the first place - why weren’t you just born of perfect natural love? And did you have a life on Earth, and did you do your transformation on Earth or in spirit?
I only wish it was the Divine Love that did all the healing, it would be so easy, to simply keep longing for the Love and feel better and better. And in a way this is what happens, but all whilst we also tend to our bad feelings and so what I call our soul-healing. So as far as our Soul-Healing being redundant, which you mean presumably we would have done were not the Divine Love available, personally I think you’re missing the point about what it is we actually need to heal and why. However having said that, I am also open to the fact that as you say I might be doing something else that is entirely different and with nothing actually to do with the Divine Love, and that as yet my soul has not begun its transformation into the divine. And that possibly once I’ve done my natural love healing, should that ever happen, then my Divine Love transformation will begin.
I have been longing for the Divine Love for twenty five years now, as have many on the other Divine Love forums, some even longer than myself. I have observed them, read their posts, even spoken personally with them, and yet I am not convinced that they are doing any real healing. Certainly like what you are saying, the can say the ‘party line’ rolling out what it says in the Padgett Messages, but I have not seen that they have actually healed any of their deep pain and habitual issues. And even though they say they do feel good - what else can they say to justify keeping on going longing for the Love and wanting to believe it’s transforming their souls, but surely after all these years someone would be nearing the end of their transformation, if not having completed it, thereby becoming an ‘Angel’ on Earth, unless we of the flesh simply can’t achieve that in the physical.
So I ask your Recorder: do you understand the full relationship you lived between yourself and your parents and all who deeply influenced you through your forming years? So you understand why are the way you are, all the parts of yourself that you like and dislike, all the parts you love and the parts you hate? Do you understand why God started you off on this truth-denying world, what God wants you to experience of such wrongness, and how you took it all from your parents, are living it as an adult, and can heal it through looking to your feelings for your truth?
To be honest, I’ve been expecting someone like yourself to come to my forum, and I’ve debated within myself how I would deal with such a person, because there is no way I can impress upon you how I feel about things only other than to say we beg to differ. I’ve wrestled long and hard within myself to try and see it, even believe it to be as you say it is, and at times through my hard times I’ve so wished it was as you say. But still I keep coming back to the same truth within myself, that you are deluding yourself by looking to the Divine Love to miraculously heal yourself, instead of wanting to face the hard uncomfortable and confronting truths about yourself that will come to light should you really want to progress in truth and truly heal your soul.
And I understand from Jesus why he presented the information and truths in Padgett Messages as he did, all of which is somewhat misleading, but still the truth. So I think there is more to it that what has been revealed as my life with the Divine Love is showing me. I long for the Diving Love and receive it into my soul, just as those people on the other Divine Love forums do, just as many God-loving peopled do, just as no doubt you do, however for whatever reason, my path as not turned out like any other of those ‘Divine Love people’, and I have asked myself often why is that, to which all I can see is because there is more to ‘transforming our soul’ than simply longing for the Divine Love.
So I’ve come to think that really the so-called transforming quality of the Divine Love is designed to transform only pure and true Natural love. And so it is up to us to get our natural love into it’s truest and purest state for the Divine Love to act upon, so that is why we have to do our Healing ourselves, which we can do with or without the Divine Love.
But getting back to speaking with your ‘Angel’, I would so love it if you could tell me how it was through your transformation: did you really ascend the Divine Love mansion worlds without doing anything else other than soaking up the Divine Love? I mean, surely you must have done something else to understand why you weren’t right, or did that truth just come to you out of the ether. And what about getting help from Celestial spirits, did they help you, and if so what did they do, did they just come and tell you day after day to keep longing for the Love, that is all you have to do, just as they told James Padgett. And James longed but still he made little progress as we’re lead to believe, they were still telling him he had to long more when he died, so surely if the Divine Love was really transforming his soul one of the things it would have done was made it easier for him to long after four years.
Anyway anonymous, if you feel you want to say more on the forum, please do, and I would love you to be able to convince me that what I am saying is wrong, and why it is, and that what you are saying is right and you have the personal proof to tell me. Have your sins and errors disappeared? And if so, which ones, how have you changed for the better having started consciously with the Divine Love - can you give me some real life personal examples, some of the bad habits you have, some of your deep compulsions, some of your pain, have they gone. But if all you can say is you feel more loving and a greater sense of being part of a good humanity and wanting to do good and think good thoughts and be more loving, all the usual same old ‘we all need to love ourselves and each other’ stuff that is said endlessly on the other Divine Love forums, then don’t bother because I don’t believe it, I think all that stuff is contrived and a fantasy.
And as far as my healing never ending because I am wallowing in my own misery which is self-hatred, it’s true, you’re right about that, and I wish I didn’t wallow in it, however you see the problem, which my healing has brought to light in me, is that I am full of misery and hating myself for being this way. And I’ve been like this all my life as it was how I was treated and made to feel by my parents. And as much as I’ve tried to runaway from such bad feelings, and even into the Divine Love wishing all my self-hatred, misery and pain would go away, I’ve not been able to deny it. God I’ve tried as hard as I can to make it go away, and when I first read the Padgett Messages I thought, THIS IS IT!, the way to end my pain, but when I realised I’d only be using the Divine Love as yet another way to deny my pain, then I knew there was no getting away from it. If the Divine Love is not the Last and Greatest Escape, then nothing else is going to be able to do it for me, so I may as well stop and face the music, so that’s what I’ve been trying to do through my healing years. And as I have healed real parts of myself, broken down my erroneous beliefs, stopped some of my bad habits and changed from being the unaware affected false person into hopefully now being more aware and real and true to all I feel, then I have seen there is far more to it than what’s comfortably revealed in the Padgett Messages.
So thank you anonymous for giving me the chance for putting my thoughts about the Divine Love magically transforming our souls into a greater perspective. And as I doubt you’ll be posting again because of all I’ve said, if you do ever get to the point where you feel the Divine Love actually isn’t doing it for you, then please I’d love you come back and tell me all about it; and similarly, if it does do all you say it is doing and you do completely heal yourself and become an ‘Angel’, then I’d also love to hear from you as to how it all happened for you.
It’s interesting that you Angel are here now in my healing life, right at the time when I had made my peace about the Divine Love transforming our soul with all our wrongness magically somehow just leaving us, thinking that I don’t believe that is how it works and that we have to do our healing for the transformation to work, or that our healing is our transformation. And now just when I’ve settled myself, which is the pattern of all I’ve done in my life; just when I’ve felt comfortable and even secure, wham, the half-brick is thrown in my face. So on a personal level, which I don’t expect you to understand unless you’ve followed my healing posts, I feel a great anger at you for coming along and saying No you are wrong, you are full of shit, what you say is irrelevant, your way is ‘redundant’ you are not doing what you are told by Jesus in the Padgett Messages, you are a bad boy, you should stop doing what you are doing as it will get you nowhere, you should give it all up if you want to seriously help yourself and transform your soul, you must do as I the great Angel authority say, even though you are not actually saying I must stop doing what I am doing, but that’s how it all makes me feel, all of which is part of my problem. And so now in reply to you, you are representing my parents, I want to say, No, to you - who is really them; No I am not going to do what you say, I am not going to stop as I don’t have too, and you can’t make me, so fuck off and don’t come back because I am not interested to hear what you have to say. You might be the greatest Celestial channel in the world, but I don’t care, and you can stay on the forum and say all your stuff, you can post all your messages, you can do whatever you like, but I am not going to stop doing what I am doing, not until I want to, and so not until I see something from you that would show me that indeed your soul was transformed by the Divine Love, and how it happened for you.
So once again if you’re going to post your messages Angel, I want you to tell me how it was for you, what did you experience as your soul transformed. Did you for example just know suddenly that you no longer had lustful thoughts, that you no longer needed whatever comforters you had, that all the pain of your soul suddenly left you - how did it happen. Just as I want to hear from other ‘Divine Love people’ how their so-called transformation is going. Do they suddenly one day know they never need to smoke or drink or have sex anymore, that that was wrong to do but now they are miraculously healed of such error? Have they suddenly realised they no longer need to have an affair, that they no longer need coffee or any other stimulant, they their addiction to chocolate has suddenly vanished, that their self-doubt one day just left them, or it happened in stages, gradually, all of which just happened of its own accord and all because they just kept praying for the Love? And that suddenly how they believed such and such about such and such was wrong, that they suddenly realised they were going down the wrong path in that and so stopped; that they were scared about all sorts of things in life, that they felt a lot of anger towards such and such, and suddenly all their fear and anger evaporated or gradually left them in stages over the years to where they no longer have such fears, no longer have any bad feelings, feeling ever greater and greater amounts of love. And they are thrilled about the changes going on in them, and so much so because they are so profound that they want to shout to the whole world how wonderful the Divine Love is because it’s healed them, or more rightly, transformed them. I read the other Divine Love forums and I am waiting for such ecstatic announcements, for surely that is what they want to be able to claim - surely that is what is meant to happen to us if we long for the Divine Love and it does simply transform our soul. So Angel, is that how it was for you, can you claim such things, or are you too just going to channel through the same old ‘Divine Love stuff’ that’s been coming through other channels for years now?
So please tell me in great and very personal detail how your transformation happened, all you went through, what you thought and felt at the various major stages of it. And by the way, something of a technical point, which I am fussy about, when you say you ‘dwell in the mansions of God’, what do you mean by that, the mansion worlds?, which would mean you are not an Angel or Celestial spirit, or if you are, you mean the Celestial spheres?
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You have done well in those 25 years, I am sure you did quite well, and put into the efforts. Your efforts have not failed.
You may call be Sir Percival, for that is my name. I lived in the Middle ages as a knight for the king, layer retreated into the ascetic life from all Earthly influences, I saw the wars as gross and filled with hypocrisy.
I saw what Padgett was doing after years of my passing, a great band of Angels formed a bright light that attracted me. I had received some of the Divine Love in those years of retreat,naturally I was a good man. I tried seeking for something I had not known and there was my reward.
I had to pay my sins as well, it did not take too long.
The Divine Love makes you redeemed, but those who just pray will also must do what the Loving One in the highest of heavens to do what is loving and kind as to not block the soul and stagnate. Sure one may pray all day, but if they don't act, it is useless.
Let me tell you of the people you associated with. The people in the Divine Love Movement are all for their own selfish gain. They use the title of Reverends to make themselves seem like they know everything, even after going through Ministral Ordination, and the first ones are to be the last and the last shall be the first.
On the other side of the fence you have the very few redeemed ones who are actually doing the work. One of them was you James. And James, the Divine Love does not come to a soul immediately, rather it shall be bestowed upon when conditions are met. Only The Loving One knows all and your sincerity. How sincere you are will never fail you.
You starting the Soul Healing is the result of the World who abused you and hurt you. Naturally you are a sensitive individual with a strong sense of Independence from this world we live in.
It is the conscience if men which is the true Healing and Purification that a must go through in the halls. James you are also getting a head start, but the Divine Love or Grace of the Loving One was bestowed out of mercy and forgiveness to those who desired it.
Imagine someone giving you something you though you did not deserve it even work for, how can you comprehend the generosity someone who gave you something out of sheer Love's sake?
The Loving One or what you call your Heavenly Mother and Father loves you than you ever will comprehend. Their Love was out of Love for you, and through this comes numbness and joy, the feeling if being protected and loved.
Yes, our parents are responsible for caring the needs of the children and living them, but not many do it well. It takes great effort to be a parent and a duty to parent well. Many fail since they have not worked in their healing, or Repenting is the best term, still not accurate because of finite language itself, to prepare themselves to raise a better generation.
I will explain more soon on who runs the world. I shall now close until the Recorder has gained enough energy to carry on.
After having a small break for my Recorder to rest, I shall now commence the dialouge.
I am Percival, an Angel and will tell you what I have been through.
I was sent to the Apprentice School of Knights when I was six, from then on I never saw my parents that much. My guardianship was held by the Master Guild. He was albiet strict, and would whip me as I did something not suitable in his eyes. Those were feelings of pain and hurt, and without the Loving support of my parents and the living in the dark ages where people held to doctrine just for doctrine's sake, there was no concept of a Loving God.
Sex was prohibited before marriage at that time, there was no contraception, and naturally I had sexual urges as well, the suppression of sexual fantasies was encouraged and noble, naturally I knew something was wrong.
I had dreams of pursuing this done young lady of fifteen (in those times marriage at that age was common for women) and would wildly dream the kisses and lovemaking, it was as if she would be my soulmate forever. Sadly she was taken away to another man, and not heard from again. I loved her and she secretly loved me, but the times then did not permit that so.
Somehow during my old age the sexual hormones/urges wore off and I realized that life with women was more than sex and kisses, it was a higher kind of mutual love. If you remove the body, spirit and mind of a man, what only exists is love. Only pure untainted love. Of the sublime utmost degree.
It was from that point I longed to be free of the gross animalistic urges and left the city I lived in by night, and there on I lived in a small cottage abandoned and stayed there until my passing. I died childless.
I looked hard at my life, and did my healing, it was not easy but I commenced to long for something I did not know which was the Divine Love.
Prayer for Divine Love requires more than mere lip service. Many are doing it wrong today. Many flock to the Divine Love not because they want to be with the Loving One but for something that will be magical
My Recorder also doubted the Divine Love and the "magical properties" you mentioned James.
It was then I came to him for elaboration.
First must come the desire, to do away with the mean hurtful comments others have thorned into you. It was man himself who caused the ruckus, and God created Man with free will because it is only by choice or free will itself that can profess a true Relationship with the High among High. Man's free will was abused and created people hurt on the inside but confident on the outside. So many rejected God because why would he have created evil and not help th world? The answer is that man brought about the things horrible and let the generation after fix it themselves. Same thing for Presidents as well. World Leaders have to deal with the problems that have been shoved for apparent no reason. The true reason is that the previous generation did not want to deal with the critical problems and pushes it around. All because the man who created the problem himself took the chain of blame and that continued on to this day.
The same happened with us, a world who puts problems before us and we getting hurt for this is not we deserved! Yet it is also a place where we know that we should not be like the people doing evil things, and thus we know we should not do anything hurtful or mean because we experienced by heart. That is what was meant that "The Law was written into Our Hearts"
Yes, we can put blame that our parents were evil, and they were, humans have always been evil because of the Great Blame. Later in childhood we lost hope and the faith in us died. We became hard hearted and took out on the later generations out of pain and fear, for we thought there was no hope.
It is what the "Oh Damn with all this, or screw this!" mentality came about. We gave hope and lost the connection we had with the Loving One.
The Divine Love was bestowed in the time of total Spritual Darkness,most if not all lost the connection and that is why Jesus was sent out, Mary was also a close disciple and so was John, they were the ones who understood the mission than most of the other Apostles.
Most have lashed out by what I mentioned. The soul healing is an awakening, a return to the roots call of our inner childhood.
It does not stop until we are fully transformed, and fully healed. It takes a natural love spirit eons if they merely do the Feeling Healing on their own, but to a Divine Love Path person it is quicker.
Once we get to God and finding the truth about our feelings we know the real Truth is that we not only had to take the burden of the problems we did not even do, for the blame and punishment for things we did not even do is something that wrecks the heart of children the most.
The Truth is that we deserved to be cared for and the Divine Love is the Answer to allow us to have more Trust in the Loving One. When the Divine becomes part of us, we become Transformed and know God is always going to care and bless us for the right reasons.
Brother Jesus was crucified for something he did not do, but since he knew God was there to love him, there was no pain at all. Since Jesus had no sin, it was because he was able to keep the Trust since early childhood, even though he did not understand why the world was this or that, his faith did not die. He did not have to undergo healing, but he pitied deeply the dark things that went on. He knew all were brothers fighting each other, but like all sibling fights he was shunned.
He could not fight back because the world did not understand. He died because he had a mission and greater love to help the darker ones in the hells who suffered greatly than the people on earth. There was far more people in the Spirit world that the population on earth is but a miniscule compared to the Spirit World.
It is just as important to do the soul healing as well as the Divine Love. The Divine Love also produces more Soul Healing, the healing can also be done by the will of man himself. This is why the process is faster.
James I admire that you are so true to your feelings, if you pray more for the Divine Love your progression will be faster and you can be fully transformed. Do not neglect your Soul Healing, I find it beneficial and tied in with the Divine Love, it is best.
But to those who have been finally transformed we do not need to do it since our healing was actually done unknowingly, just as people receive Divine Love unconsciously so to those who did their healing. Only a few did it consciously. And that includes you James.
The desire to be loved and cared for is the cornerstone to be redeemed fully. Merely doing the soul healing will not bring about the Divine Love but it is a good start to recognize the dependency of God and our childlike nature.
I appreciate you that you took the time to read all of this, the Recorder has also learned much as well from you and me. We are all brothers on this plane of existence. The Recorder feels much love and sympathy as well to you, he used to find the idea of soul healing to be something essential but how it ties into the Divine alive I have explained above.
Percival, and Recorder, thank you for posting, for as I said, I didn’t expect I’d be hearing from you again.
However I am a bit perplexed, from what you’ve said, it sort of, if I interpret things correctly, seems a bit of a contradiction in that you are now saying you think the Soul-Healing is essential whereas in your first post yesterday you said it was redundant. So I’m a little confused by that. Marion is more straightforward than I, she says, yesterday you said you didn’t need to do your Healing whereas today you do, so what’s going on!
Anyway, are you saying that for yourself and others you longed for the Divine Love and that your transformation happened without you really understanding what was going on, that you didn’t specifically have to work on yourself as I am with my healing. I have wondered about this, if indeed this is how it has been for many of the Celestials as they vaguely portray their transformation in the Padgett Messages; but then that too is contradicted by Celestial spirits I’ve spoken to who say they had to do their healing like I am, all with and being part of their living with the Divine Love and their soul transformation. And in talking it over with Marion, I am open to not understanding, simply accepting that possibly it’s different in spirit, as no doubt a lot of things are, and for her and I we are doing our healing as we are, which is how it is for us, yet as to whether or not other people will need to do it too, we don’t know, they possibly having other ways to ascend. And I guess time will tell. If someone from the other Divine Love forums declares they have finished their healing and are open to being questioned about it, and can demonstrate in every aspect of their lives that they are true and perfect, then that will be something to take more seriously.
And because of this, in all my writings I have to say that until I’ve finished my healing I still don’t 100% know if we all have to do our healing as Marion and I are endeavouring to do it, or if there are other ways for such soul growth to occur. For all I know there might be many different ways people can advance their souls in truth, some that consciously involve doing their healing others unconsciously. I am curious though Percival, did you through your transformation uncover the whole truth of your relationship with your parents and the other people who were major influences in your early life? Was a huge part of your awakening awareness about yourself being focused on your childhood and how that made you be the person you became, and then focusing on all the bits that weren’t true as you healed yourself? Or doesn’t the whole childhood thing matter so much to you, that your transformation was more about other things?
And I am also curious as to why you have come to my forum, are you wanting to give it your stamp of approval, whilst including pointing out some of the errors of our ways as you see it; what is it that you are actually wanting to specifically say to us - or to me?
And are you limited in what you really want to convey to me because of the limitations of your Recorder? Why not come and speak to me directly?
There are quite a few things in your post I don’t understand or agree with, but that might be because not enough information was related about the topic, but one thing I do not agree with is you saying “if you pray more for the Divine Love your progression will be faster and you can be fully transformed”, this infers that our progression or healing or ascension or transformation or whatever you want to call it, is up to us, that we are driving it, that we are in control of it, and we can therefore make it go slower or faster for ourselves, which I completely disagree with. I can’t pray anymore than I can. I long when I feel to. I have over the years tried to pray and long more than I have felt to and yet no Love has come into my soul on those occasions, so I’ve given up. Yet when I have prayed when I truly feel to long, the Love comes, and all my healing, life and everything else has shown me, and keeps showing me more each day, I don’t have that sort of power, and nor do I want it. I can’t control my own soul growth and progression, that’s not up to me, it’s all up to the Mother and Father. And frankly I don’t see why my feeling this would be any different to you Percival as a Celestial feeling the same thing, and so I wonder why you’d say such a thing when again it sounds like you’re only parroting what was said to James Padgett. But James P and are a not doing the same thing. He needed the constant encouragement to keep focused, and apparently from what I can gather, needed to be open and longing for the Divine Love so the higher spirits and Jesus could make the necessary rapport with him, whereas I am not needing that encouragement, and I don’t believe it anyway. I don’t think my healing can progress any faster or slower than I am going. God I have tried to pray my ‘a’ off hoping it would speed things up, yet over the years I’ve been able to see the value in it not being as fast as I’ve wanted it to be, which has added considerably to my humility having to accept that I’m not in control - which I’m still trying to add to.
And I also wonder why you refer to God as the ‘Loving One’, because from all I understand from The Urantia Book, we being in Nebadon and so following Mary M and Jesus by being attended to by their Spirits of Truth, would relate to God as They do. So with Jesus referring to God as His Heavenly Father, why don’t you relate to God as your Heavenly Father, as a personal loving Father (and Mother) who created your soul. The ‘Loving One’ seems to me too impersonal, it doesn’t get right to the point that our Mother and Father ARE our Mother and Father, our real and true Parents. And personally I feel, however of course I might feel very differently when I come into spirit, that I want to ascend to Paradise to be with my MOTHER AND FATHER, and not just with the ‘Loving One’. Also Jesus himself tells us we are to refer to God as our Heavenly Father and does so himself, so why don’t you when supposedly all Celestials are following him? And from my own experiences it was partaking of the Divine Love that made me suddenly relate to God as my Heavenly Father before I started to also relate to the Mother. However Percival I can also understand if you are limited by your Recorder and it is he that doesn’t want to relate to God as his Father, so you have to honour the biases and restrictions of his beliefs.
Do you Recorder wish to enter into personal discussion as well? Is it that you don’t relate to God as your Heavenly Father (and Mother)? And if not, what do you feel about that - why don’t you?
So I guess it boils down to, which I want to know: Can people transform their soul through the action of the Divine Love without doing their Soul-Healing: or, as I think, do we have to do our Healing for the transformation to take place? And from your last line: “...he used to find the idea of soul healing to be something essential but how it ties into the Divine alive I have explained above.”, it sounds like this is what the Recorder is now happy with, that one doesn’t have to specifically do their Healing, with the Divine Love taking care of everything, so we shall see.
Anyway Sir Percival and Recorder for the time being I am happy to have you on the forum, and if you’d like to set up your own thread so as to post whatever you like, please do; however also bear in mind that I’m going to be hard on you, if anything doesn’t sit right with me I will bring it to your attention being interested in what you say.
I am Percival speaking through the Recorder again, and shall address the questions as best as I can.
I refer God as the Loving One, just to give him an identity, however the real God has no name, has no title whatsoever. He is infinite, whose consciousness is way beyond of our comprehension. Since he is infinite, it is impossible to divide him into two parts. I can not refer to him as Heavenly Mother and Father because that would be limiting the infinite.
We can say he has the atrributes of A Father who guides and a Mother who cares however that does not mean that he is both a mother and father.
Since humans are finite, we cannot describe God in the most accurate way possible, since we don't know who he really is. Even if you partake of the Divine Love, you may not know who God really is 100%. We partake Divinity, but what does Divinity mean? What it means to be immortal and what attributes does God have?
Even I seem to "promote the Padgett Messages", they are only the means to arrive at the truth and describe it. What merely is the representation of Truth does not merely mean it is the Truth. The Urantia book is the same thing as well. The representations of God we speak of by using different Archetypes, like Father and Mother are not the only ones. God can be ddescribed as an artist, who creates, a scientist who knows the laws that govern the universe, a planter who plants souls into physical bodies. But is that everything we know to describe God as well?
God's attributes that the finite mind can't even comprehend are even more than the ones we know. To the finite created beings God is something abstract, and many religions fought over the conception if what God truly is and what God is not.
That has lead to wars. Perhaps humans wanted to assume knowledge of who is God lead to all the disharmony that we see today.
To assume we know God to be this or that is something we do not have the capacity to own.
We somehow think we were created to love and be loved, but is there something more than that as well?
The only thing we know is that God is unknown in the finite sense of the mind. A mystery being we truly don't know.
Does God communicate through his Thought Adjusters, do we really know the very thoughts communicated from outside we think allegedly from God is really from God?
What about the communicated works like ACIM, Padgett, Samuels, HR, Bahvghad Gita, Bible, Koran etc, could they all be wrong?
What is Divine Love, is what the mortal mind cannot say. We always say it brings out the good in people and transform them into God, but is it really? The Divine Love comes from the being we know not of, whose existence is beyond our understanding?
The Divine Love also has no name, but to describe it we just give it a title. What are the benefits and we cannot pinpoint exactly what it does. Vaguely call it the Substance is as close as we can get.
Because we expected the so called Divine Love to do what our finite minds expected to do, we may not get the results we wanted and that lead us to doubt the whole experience.
Perhaps the soul healing is a by product, but to say that this or that is the only way is what will still cause a war and divide the people.
Then what is spirituality? Divine Love Sprituality is kind of like a misnomer just like what Christianity and Muslim, and other the Other religions make themselves to be.
The True way is a way we not know of. There is no direct one path our finite minds can know of consciously, to partake something we not know of.
The True way is none of the ways our finite souls can comprehend and have knowledge about. We will only know this after we shed off the carnal mind and have the mind of Deity itself. Untile then we may never truly know.
Desire something we do not know and contemplate the unknown, even questioning the very existence could be the best way.
When Brother Jesus said this was the straight and narrow way, this is what he really meant.
The Straight and Narrow way creates this feeling of uncertainty and of the unknown. We have to even acknowledge that we are only a small being, that really knows nothing of what goes on. It is hard living with the unknown and ignorance is said to be bliss because it makes everything less scary. Ignorance is really an illusion.
That acknowledgement is the first step. Your way is an attempt to seek the unknown and that is good.
Desiring we do not know is what faith really is. A leap of faith into a world we cannot define or speak of until the transformation is over. We can only wonder and guess. We cannot put something in a definite way step by step mechanical data.
We cannot be sure of what happens, but we can be sure that something unknown is always there. Since that is what the characteristic of finitehood really is.
We all have limits, beyond the limits is the unknown. How should the known and unknown be bridged?
That was what alchemy attempted to solve. The Philosopher Stone is the Divine Love we speak of but even mortals like us fail to comprehend.
I know you have interacted with individuals within the Divine Love Movement in the past. Sarcastic comments and the hum drum posters practically ignored you.
The Recorder learned about the movement, and researched its entirety and knew something was not right.
The FCNB and the FCDT was created out of egotistical means to proclaim itself as having the true bearer of the truth. That all the other religions were false, and that the New Birth was the only way.
If you have read Samuels messages they allegedly say the Master approved the use of a ministerial ordination program, reverend title, holidays and what not.
The Divine Love Fellowship and the AJ Miller cult was also designed to lure in new adherents to join the game of posing ignorance, thinking they know something to be known.
False and blasphemy upon blasphemy to assume the knowledge of the unknown, when one has not been fully transformed!
Only Jesus himself knew the way and could deal everything with parables to make comprehension easier.
But much of the work leads to ourselves. When he gave out the prayer, it only serves as a means to arrive at the truth, but much lies hidden.
The prayer was meant to be analysed and thought upon to stir up the soul longings to know the unknown.
Not meant to be worshipped and repeated but something to ponder and ponder. Our knowledge assumes no ends in growth, much to be learned and acquired.
The reason I have not come to you James is that each guide has their own person to guide and transmit the truth. I find this vehicle and transmitter to be the best and use it to convey the thoughts down.
Not always perfect because of language itself. There is a lot of things I cannot express using mortal language.
This is the reason that I have come to the Recorder to transmit essential things on the world at hand.
All boils down to beliefs. The wars and atrocities, all because of fake religions itself.
The only religion is the religion that acknowledges the unknown beyond the limits.
There was this feeling in all beings to know the big questions in life, and religions were made up to manipulate others and say that they knew everything, nothing to be searched for.
When the most Exalted Created Beings even were given free will, that was where limits came from.
Without free will we are basically Angels, instruments of God personified, we may lack some attributes but all of us would be divine.
When "God" gave the free will, it meant man had a say in his choice. He was no longer to be completely dependent on God. Man could do what he desired and even independently from the Will of God.
To become at one with God meant to be at one in the Mind, and probably more. The angels and God could possibly share a mind and the angels not even know of what man has gone through.
But free will allowed to be Fully conscious. To the angel there is no free will. They just do stuff accordingly to what God decrees and they are fine happy with it. There is nothing seemingly forced.
When.Man was created he saw that as Slavery and sought to break away from God. His Free Will the most prized of even his possessions, Man could desire anything, anything he wanted.
A greatest paradox came to be,'that the one with desires unlimited were the most limited in progression, and the ones with desires limited had the unlimited progression.
It seems that an angel enjoys "his" very own slavery and knows it not and the Angel happily does what "he" does. (He does not necessarily mean male, again linguistics issues)
And man thought what a dumb thing it was and assumed itself that it should thwart the very God that created him. Man thought himself to be a liberator. He did not want to give up free will in trade of something more.
Man thus thought themselves to have all knowledge. And sought to overthrow God and made him barbarous. As a consequence he fell.
That was the story of the fall.
The reason "God" bestowed the Divine Love was a way for the human soul to give up the free will to enlist in Divinity and be happy. That he never suffer and does the Will of God aligned. That progression is unlimited.
Freedom to choose what we want vs Freedom of Progression. The two freedoms both seem good, yet you can only choose one. If man acquired both freedoms he would be lawless. The universe would be in chaos.
The Angel can see whatever he desires and know all, and the Man can choose whatever he wants to do and no one can stop him. But the progression is limited.
(Gender is something that hinders communication as well, the world "he" is not even suitable but there is not a language that refers to both he and she. Understand that I have no sexual prejudice to all and limited human language has its faults)
The Substance is the Key to unlimited progression, for the potential of the soul is unlimited and as long the Soul meets the grade he can get their just by acquiring it to the degree that knowledge required.
Similar to computers, the Substance we call divine love allows us the upgrade the number of bits on a computer or the CPU, the processor, to be able to carry out bigger tasks. Its use is unlimited. But the human is akin to the computer with multiple tools and ports that can be attached to it, its ram can not be possibly upgraded, tasks can only be dealt one at a time. Whereas the angel can possibly do everything at the same time.
Just as God can give a man the Key to the Many Mansions and unexplored territory that we can all get there some day, what if God gave Angels free will?
If Lucifer did really exist, that might have been another expirement as well. Lucifer the Fallen Angel fell from heaven because he partook the Free will and traded the Freedom to Progress to acquire the Freedom to do as he liked, the options limitless. His progression would immediately stop, and seeing that he was limited in some way to progression he rebelled.
He would have taken armies of Angels to rebelled which did not become angels anymore since Angels by nature cannot rebell anymore and they became something known as Men in the making.
The Free Will would fill their souls and the Divine Love or substance was taken over. Lets say there was no going back, Lucifer would just have to go down and default upon himself.
The only he could only do was evil, never to be forgiven since The Divine Substance would allow forgiveness and give man the keys to the kingdom, and take away the abuses of free will, the records wpulf become as if not.
Just as humans were given a pre-existing longing to choose divine love or not, perhaps Lucifer could also have had a pre-existing longing to have free will or not.
But why would God do such a thing though to give man the gift of free will or the gift of progression? By default we have the gift of free will, by default Angels have free progression.
Since it has been told that man was the greatest creation, it seems that man was in a sense the greatest Expirememt God has done to test the fallibility of Free Will itself. He, man was not like the angels who was created with the amount of knowledge at hand, nor was he created to be as strong like the beasts, but he was created as an Exalted being because that free will would be the deciding determinator whether or not Man would choose Freedom of Progression or not.
This is why man was made in the image. No two freedoms can be at the same soul at the same time.
Man would experience everything good and evil. That is all God can offer man to experience all facets of creation. Everything, love, hatred, fear, sympathy,jealousy, arrogance, the broad range of feelings man can have and so on.
The Soul feeling is the feeling of the disillusionment of Free Will itself as well. Our parents were the first ones where we would experience the clash of contradicting free wills.
Why the Evil and hatred towrds or parents, is traced to the Fall.
Man did not want to be enslaved by God and not wanting to give up the free will, he rebelled.
And it continues on to the very day.
Free will allowed controversy and hot heated debates. It lead to people believing everything they wanted, even construe up lies, to manipulate others. It allowed division within all communities.
Time and time again this Free Will proves itself to be fallible, and God gave us free will to consciously realize this very fact. Even the highest 6th sphere spirit will be vulnerable and can fall just like what Aman and Amon went through. In fact the First Parents were much much perfect than what the 6th sphere spirits are.
This is why ISIS exists, why Religion exists, politics exists. Free Will is the World itself.
We do soul healing because of the perpetuating evils Free Will has done. The abuse of Free Will has hurt many. At the end men will all come back to God.
The sick and tiresome Free Will that has become a core part of our soul and something must replace it.
The abuse of it all lead to like you said the yuk of this world. We long to purge the evils and gross material earthy influences, and that is the Truth you have longed for James.
What I am giving you James is the Answer to all the years of Soul Healing. Your soul healing and the longing of the Truth of the Feelings correlate with the very essence of the mishappenings of free will itself.
I, Percival would never know the reason why "God" (The Nameless One) would sent me to do this untill I realized I was sent to answer you and Marion's prayers on this very subject I have talked about through the Recorder.
Sincerely ask The Nameless One to revoke the Free Will and replace it with unlimited Free Progression and you will have had completed the expirememt of the Ages. That is why The Great Almighty One in Its all wisdom of the sublime degree brings me so much happiness to see that such knowledge I am imparting to you could help you in the long run.
That is what the Substance does, ultimately. It just gives you the Keys to the Very Kingdom itself, and effects such as Love, Knowledge, Truth and probably unknown attributes are the effects.
Unlimited Progression, no wear and decay, no limits in the exploration of the high mansions and territory to be filled. Just as the Substance has no limit to fill your Soul so there is no limit to your progression
This is what it meant when the Kingdom is Within You, the Kingdom reflects part of you and you reflect a part of that Kingdom.
That is what it meant the New Heavens and a New Earth, and that is Revelation of All Revelations.
When Jesus said that to lay up treasures in heaven it meant that when you pass through the veil you will access the highest Celestial Spheres that your Soul shall Dictate.
Meanwhile possesors of Free Will will always make you feel bad because what they don't want you to know is that God is a Slave Owner who is in fact the Real Liberators of All.
The Truth is God is not a slave owner but gas in mind so many blessings to confer upon you.
And this belief of Slavery has always been in the Recorder's mind as well.
"That we are not the Subservient, Sinful and Depraved Creatures that False Teachers woukd have us believe"
Many think even you thought James, that that would something to make us feel better. No, that is the actual Truth. Man always portrayed God as a Master of All slaves forcing everyone to confirm to his laws. In actuality God does not do that himself. The Free Will is Slavery and Free Progression is Freedom
That is what it meant in George Orwell's 1984, Slavery is Freedom and Freedom is Slavery. That basically described the Abuse of Free Will and Man trying to sabotage others free will.
We are not depraved because we will become redeemed one day and free from the transgressions of Free Will itself. We are not sinful because by the time we already desired the Substance and done the Soul healing, we already possess a degree of Freedom of Progression that states that even part of us has been redeemed.
When Jesus said all others were born sinful, he meant that the rest of mankind had not given up the free Will. Only the Sinful would have all Free Will. Mankind had not Divinity whatsoever.
Does the Divine Love bring happiness, it certainly will but its full effects will not be shown until once you pass through the veil.
We still long to see the great Mansions but we have time on earth. Best to invest and lay up more treasures and when you enter the World not of this World of you will understand.
Why do we still feel miserable is because Earth is still a hell. Jesus did feel miserable not because he did something wrong but he saw mankind was blind and ignorant, seeing the Angels as the dumb unintelligible ones who does out nonsensical sentimental Love stories.
This earth also does not fit our soul condition and that is why we feel utterly miserable in this hell. Even Jesus found it difficult to come back to earth.
If you were an Angel would you come back to this living gross hell? Of course not!
But as a guide I must do my best to help the Recorder on his journey. I come back to inspire him every now and then.
Keep laying treasures up. The happiness will not be of this present time and you will still feel miserable at times.
The Divine Love will not magically make one happy on this earth. The Divine Love Movement people have perpetuated this lie since the Master returned.
They mixed in the Positive Thinking New Age Woo to make people lie and deceive themselves into their own comfort zones.
The Path is not easy, with some free will lower it is even harder. It may seem that nothing has changed but the soul is being prepared.
Sin is the result of unloving acts, and is really the desires of jealousy hatred fear and so forth. These feelings are to be dealt with and the Divine Love slowly softens them until these feelings of hatred and fear are removed.
Your conversation seems civilized as well, unlike the so called Divine Love Christians who think they are loving but actually are not.
The ones who are not satisfied with themselves are the ones who will progress. Never forgive your mistakes and destroy them as soon as possible.
Only God can remove the free will little by little. He does this in the most unexpected times and you do not know it. The carnal mind that is connected to the free will must be asleep to be killed like a thief in the night.
When you are unconscious of awareness that is when the mind is slowly being replaced by the mind of Diety.
The last thing that will happen is that the carnal material mind will never wake up again.
It will have been wiped out. You will not even think about the atrocities and the evil things you have done. You will not have any records of your sufferings, even if you think back to the very sufferings you have you will not feel them. You will not hate yourself, or anyone.
But that will happen in the least time you expect it to happen.
You will not suddenly feel good after a prayer.
The Peace that passes understanding will come when the final piece of the mind will be shattered and destroyed. The Mind of Deity will take over and take ambush and a new Conciousness shall arise of what we call Christ Consciousness.
If our minds switched from God Mind to Carnal Mind back and forth that would be terrible.
We would be bipolar and that would be terrible. We will still operate from the carnal mind, but the deep underlying root we call the subconscious will be fought day by day by Divine forces.
It happens deep down, a war you are not even aware of. The Conscious Mind is but the top of the iceberg.
The forces work from bottom to the top, and when the subconscious has been eliminated the time to attack the conscious mind is when it is at rest and not even aware of itself.
Our thoughts must be checked and the Powers that be have be trying to program us through TV and media. The bad feelings will sometimes arise after years if accumulation of this program.
Soul healing is basically rooting these bad feelings perpetuated by the powers that be from the subconscious and these bad feelings are not limited to media but also to our masters and parents. We don't experience them consciously first hand when we receive them but will see the horrors that brought upon ourselves a second time around.
So shocking is this programming the Powers that be wanted us to be so shocked to suppress the feelings again. That will literally screw the mind more and more. At the end the personality becomes shattered and who knows what.
The Divine Substance snatches these feelings away, and that can only be done unconsciously. The feelings we do experience consciously may not that easy to get rid of. We then must express them and find the Truth of them. In fact we have to let them out and not bottle them inside consciously.
The Divine Love might only take away worries and feeling unconsciously, but to the concious feelings God will not remove them by magic and brute force and magically make you happy. It just does not happen and will not ever happen unless those feelings are supplanted by ever stronger ones. That is when the former feelings are ignored and the Divine Love kills them.
It is true thoughts are things. We have bad feelings consciously find someone who cares and express them. Express them until the feelings are gone and you can pinpoint the true feeling that lies beneath the drain.
That is developing inner peace, the Divine Love does external peace and with you and God working together the problems are eliminated.
Percival and Recorder, let me explain where I’m coming from. Personally I want to take what is readily available in the world, including in my personal life, and use what feels right to understand what ‘IT’S’ all about. And I want to then present that understanding for others in the belief that I might help them if they too are like me and wanting to understand it the best they can based on what we’ve been given. So mostly I’ve taken from the Padgett Messages, The Urantia Book, my own spirit sources and Marion, and then other things like what Samantha on this forum and other people who are doing their healing have shared through their healing experiences. And I’ve tried to put it all together in a simple language, a ‘Way’ that I think is relatively easy to relate to, and one that is hopefully beneficial to others.
So from these latest posts I think I understand the basic premise you are presenting, the difference between Free Will and true Progression, and overall I think we’re ‘on the same page’. So from what you’ve said and putting it in my own words and drawing upon those sources available to me, I’d simply say that however it came about, and I am for the time being more than happy to stick with The Urantia Book’s version of things, the Rebellion and Default have caused us untold problems so far as allowing our mind with its freedom (the notion of free will) to control and have its say over our true feelings. I see our so-called Free Will being all centred in our mind, we are free to think and believe and then bring into reality within certain parameters that which our mind comes up with, all of which I agree with you is really being enslaved by the very so-called freedom we wrongly think we have. And so my focus from which Marion has helped me see is if I want to divest myself of my controlling mind, that which I developed from my parents, then I have to look to my feelings; and by expressing and seeking the truth of all I feel, slowly my controlling and evil mind is letting go giving way to a true feeling-based mind, or feeling-following mind, that which I take is what you say is Progression.
And the healing process is real, it fucking hurts, it takes a vast amount of effort to achieve, as there is a hell of lot of problems with our minds and their control over our soul. And I fail to see any other way around doing this hard work, doing what I call ones Soul-Healing, with the Divine Love being part of that. So to term such things in different terminology is really just semantics, and I think is all part of the mind distraction.
You say to me that if I understood the difference between Free Will and Progression then I would save myself a lot of time and trouble, my healing would be over and everything would be hunky dory; but hey, that is not how it works in my life, there are no magic words or ways to look at things, every minute, every moment, every thought, every feeling, every part of my self-expression needs to be looked at, and worked and re-worked. I have gone over these concepts and understandings time and time again, and you are helping me work some of them yet again, but really I am getting to the end of it for the effort is no longer worth the results.
And some of the things you say are to me too glaringly difficult to reconcile. For example: Okay, sure, ones notion of God is that God is so mighty and great that there is really no way we can understand who he is, and so on, so why not call him the Loving One, just an overall term; and on a mental level, yeah, why not, I have no problem with that, calling him whatever you like. But on a FEELINGS level, I want more than that. That is not enough! I want to FEEL God personally, I want to be AT ONE with God, the SOUL who created me. I want to PERSONALLY KNOW my Father and Mother Soul, so I call you on this: don’t you want to personally know Them too?
And for me the whole defining point about God is that God is Personality, and so we can personally relate to God, personality to Personality, which Jesus demonstrated by declaring God is our Father - He knew God to be his Father. And why don’t you follow Jesus, why deviate from what he has revealed? Okay to add more stuff, but why change what he’s already said when he is the Master Son of Nebadon? Our mother and father are real people, real personalities, so too must be God our Heavenly Mother and Heavenly Father if we are created in Their image and are Their children. So if you are a Celestial, like all the Celestials that talk to me do, why don’t you relate to God personally through feelings. Which is what I think the Divine Love does for us, that God being our real and true Mother and Father are loving Us with their Love, which we FEEL (why would we keep bothering asking for it if we didn’t feel it and so feel loved by God), which Jesus says is called the Divine Love. And so if Jesus says that’s its name, why change it to ‘Divine Substance’ or anything else, why not just stick with the simple part which has already been done for us. And sure, what is love, what is Divine Love; and sure, one can go on trying to define the infinite, and no doubt we will do that through our ascension to Paradise, however for all intents and purposes, now, here on Earth, why not stick to what’s been given to us? So Jesus says it’s Divine Love, so that’s what we call it, so we all know what we’re talking about. And I can’t understand why a Celestial would want to deviate from what Jesus says, that doesn’t make any sense as they are all following Jesus. I can understand if in your egocentric mind you want to make up your own language and rename things, wanting to drive your understanding further into your mind, but I’m not interested in that. Other Divine Love channels are doing that, and sure it might be an interesting read and some of it makes sense, but at the end of the day for me it’s all a distraction, it’s taking you away from your feelings of the moment and into the mental stuff, it’s stopping you focus on them and trying to express them to uncover more truth of your wrongness, of your minds control over you, all so you get on and grow in truth, and: PROGRESS.
From what you say you seem to think expressing your feelings is good and a necessary part of ones healing, which is different from your opening post, so really again I don’t see why you have come to me, what it is you are to tell me; and Marion certainly doesn’t see you as coming in answer to her prayers, she doesn’t want help from anyone, and certainly not from a might-be might-not-be Celestial spirit, she wants to uncover the whole truth of herself for herself through her feelings. It might have been better had you simply said who you are Recorder, and said you work with a Celestial spirit and here’s an example of what you are both writing together, instead of coming to me and saying you James are mostly right, you just need a few touch-up jobs and then you can whizz along completing your healing. I mean, shit mate, I’ve been at this for years now, I’ve been slogging away doing my healing, have you read my books, my posts, have you read Samantha’s posts, it’s all real, hard slog, and as far as I can see: THE ONLY WAY TO ACTUALLY HEAL YOURSELF OF YOUR WRONGNESS. And just praying for the Divine Love and hoping all your yuk goes away is naive from my healing experiences; and so far you’ve not presented anything to me that makes me think what I am doing is not necessary and there is a far easier way with the Divine Love and that’s what all you supposed Celestial spirits have done.
If you think the doing of your healing by involving your feelings is good and a good way to uncover the truth of yourself, well why not add your healing experiences to the forum and certainly any other helpful bits and pieces Sir Percival might like to throw in. I’m sure Samantha and the few other people who are working their butts off each day trying to express their yuk out of themselves would be more than open to and welcome other people doing their healing, but to come along and just say that’s all good but... but you don’t have to do any of that stuff, you just have to reorientate your mind and make the choice to Progress verses that of Free Will, is really no bloody help at all. And it ends up sounding like just more of the stuff the ‘Divine Love people’ go on about. And even though it might be true, and I even agree with it, you see the problem is it’s all still too much of the mind. It’s not about what you are truly feeling - where are your FEELINGS in it Percy; where are your feelings in it Recorder - what do you feel about Divine Love Spirituality? I can take it, tell me if you feel and think it’s a piece of shit, tell whatever you think and feel, but get stuck into it, it’s too hard reading all this wafty mind stuff it just gives me a headache trying to work out where you’re coming from and if it has anything to offer.
You said Percival a few posts back that Recorder was happy (relieved?) when he realised he didn’t have to his Soul-Healing, do all the hard work that’s required of us to uncover the whole truth of ourselves. But to me that’s a just another cop out. And unless you can honestly convince me and show me overwhelming proof from your own or other spirits and peoples experiences that one doesn’t need to do ones healing when one is longing for the Divine Love, and that all you have to do is choose to no longer have Free Will and to instead Progress, then I’m sorry but there’s not much point going on. And if you do agree that one does need to do ones healing, then you are more than welcome to add your support to that.
Having written the above I was suddenly overcome with intense bad feelings, I wanted to throw up, my head was throbbing, I felt so sick and like I was once again having to fight off being overpowered. I felt very angry but too sick to express much of it, trying to tell Marion how bad I felt. It was as if all the Evil Ones were suddenly ganging up on me, trying to seduce me away from myself, from what I believed to be truth, telling me that I was wrong, that I must listen to them, that they know what is best.
Later whilst still feeling emotionally sick I remembered back to the early days with Marion when we’d first started living together. I’d made a Divine Love brochure talking about the Father and Divine Love hoping to give it to people who might want to come along to the Divine Love meditation and prayer group I had. And I gave one to mum who rang up saying it was no good putting the word ‘Father’ in the brochure, that I had to change it to God or else no one would come. Father would scared the people away, it was too religiousy, I had to water it down and make it more acceptable. She was saying that I had to compromise myself, stop being how I wanted to be, stop expressing the truth as I saw it, and if I didn’t, people wouldn’t like me, no one would come, I’d not be able to get ‘bums on seats’ and so I would fail.
And so here I am again today, I am being told that the Divine Love should be called ‘Divine Substance’, that my Father and Mother should be called the ‘Loving One’, and that I am not doing it right, I should just reorientate myself, make a few word and mental adjustments, refocus my will, stop doing what I want to do and instead do what someone else - mum and dad - wants me to do and I’ll be right, then I’ll be successfully able to transform my soul, which I’ve apparently being delaying because I’ve not used the right words. It’s all about the right or wrong words!
So once again it’s mum telling me, just as she told me right the way through my forming years and childhood, that how I want to be is wrong, what I want to say is not right, the words I use are incorrect, and on and on until I am crushed into becoming a false untrue nothing person that can’t tell what is right because I am so disassociated from my feelings.
So here is the very evil I am trying to heal in myself yet again being presented under the guise of it being helpful to me, just as my parents said they were being helpful to me, but really saying you are full of shit and should change yourself if you want to be what is right and good, if you want to be what the world expects you to be. We are right, you are wrong; we know what’s best for you; you don’t know.
So as I’ve said to mum and dad in my mind so many times through my healing; no, I don’t want to do what you say, that being my Free Will choice. To say no to the wrongness that they have imposed on me, to reject it throwing it back in their faces, vomiting out all the sick emotions feeling like I’ve been poisoned by them, throwing the brick back into their faces, the same as what I am saying to you Percival and Recorder: No thanks, I am happy with how I see things. You’ve helped me tighten up even more in my conviction that unless someone is doing their Healing they are not truly advancing in Truth and healing their soul of their wrongness. They might be dabbling in it but not getting suck into it, not with the determination to completely free themselves of their wrongness. I am still a little bit open to (but the door is closing fast), that spirits might have been able to transform their soul in a different way than the full-on doing of their Soul-Healing with the Divine Love, but even if that is so, it’s not my way and so it has nothing to do with me.
And having written the next part above I went to the new Aldi supermarket. The other day it had a mountain of Easter Eggs on the table for sale, and Marion reckoned that if they didn’t sell them all they might discount them after Easter, but today, Saturday, the whole table was empty, not a single egg in sight!
And I felt so empty, like the table. I’d missed out. Not only had they sold them all and so they’d be no after-Easter sale, but I couldn’t get anything anyway. Then I wanted them all, all those lovely coloured eggs and bunnies, I wanted to fill the house with colourful wrapped Easter eggs, and for them all to be mine - Marion not wanting any. And I would have so many I could eat and eat and stuff and stuff myself to overflowing, all the way through until next Easter.
So what were all these feelings and imaginings about? Why do I even want the chocolate; why the pretty wrapped eggs; and how do I feel about wanting it all, and all so much? What is this all about? And why do I feel so bereft because there are no eggs today and I want them, when the other day when there was a great pile of them I didn’t want any - why the difference; why my feelings of missing out - why are they so intense; and how does all of this relate back to my early life? What are these feelings, feeling it’s all so unfair, feeling so upset and miserable that I didn’t get any, feeling that no one cares about me, feeling so unloved that no one made sure I got at least one egg, that one was put aside for me, now missing out for a whole year - wanting to cry, crying, crying, crying, feeling so sad and sorry for myself. Feeling devastated and feeling so unloved, so hurt, so not cared about - they didn’t care, they didn’t think about me, they don’t care how I feel, they can see I’m hurt and yet they don’t say sorry, they only say: Oh well it’s better for you not to eat so much chocolate anyway. BUT IT WANT IT! WHY CAN’T I HAVE IT? AND I WANT IT NOW! And I feel so alone, without having a friend to share my grief with, without a friend to give me some of their eggs, without anyone who wants to be with me; feeling so scared and miserable, and so angry that why do I have to always be the one who misses out! No one brings home an unexpected bag of Easter Eggs just for me.
And on and on my bad feelings go as I express them to Marion and long for their truth. And this I see is my free will, I have the freedom to try and express all I am feeling and to long for the truth of such feelings. But I can’t make the truth come, nor can I control such feelings, they were a complete surprise to me, coming about simply because I went to buy some more avocados not even wanting to get any chocolate.
Percival, you say things like “The reason "God" bestowed the Divine Love was a way for the human soul to give up the free will to enlist in Divinity and be happy. That he never suffer and does the Will of God aligned. That progression is unlimited.
“Freedom to choose what we want vs Freedom of Progression. The two freedoms both seem good, yet you can only choose one. If man acquired both freedoms he would be lawless. The universe would be in chaos.” And sure it sounds good, and I enjoyed reading you thoughts on it, however when I feel devastated because there are no more Easter eggs left, what good does it do me to know that I have to choose in this moment between limited free will of the mind or unlimited soul progression of truth?
What I want from you, if you wouldn’t mind, is how you apply what you are talking about to mundane every day experiences, because as far as I am concerned, it’s in all of these moment-to-moment feelings that lies the key to our true freedom.
As you said, the Divine Love people rejected me, because as I came to understand, they weren’t wanting the truth. They want to adhere to and so live a fantasy, just another mind delusion, and so rightly they didn’t want me disturbing them. And now it’s the same for me, I don’t want other people disturbing me, and so unless you can show me in such every day experiences how your so-called spirituality is lived, then really all I can say is it’s just another mind abstraction even if it does sound good and contain some truth and interesting information.
I am all about hands on with my healing experience, which means - feelings. I started off my spiritual adventure being all in the mind and didn’t want to go anywhere near my bad feelings. But I was led to them and Marion is still helping me face them, still helping me come out of my mind and its comfort zones, into the rough and tumble of my bad feelings. And all today I felt like shit, just another day in many of feeling shit. Yet today, like all the other days, my shit feeling is a little different and is showing me a little more about my fucked-up state; about my unloving relationship with my parents all through the Easter Eggs; about what I think about transforming my soul with Divine Love and doing my Healing with Divine Love; what I think about certain words that describe such spiritual concepts and truths, and how I feel about it all. And this is for me what growing in truth, healing myself, feeling my soul perceptions expanding, increasing the awareness of myself, understanding all my bad stuff, is all about. This is spiritually living, this is what I call the New Way, because as yet I’m still to hear or read of anyone who has been living it so I can call it an Old Way. And as Jesus didn’t allow the Celestials to reveal it, to share their experiences of it with James Padgett, so far as I’m concerned, it is new. And I think it’s where humanity will need to go, people will need to give themselves the time to explore all their feelings, to express them seeking their truth, and to see where that takes them.
And by doing ones healing, by simply living ones life fully expressive of ones feelings and by uncovering all the truth that that way of living provides, is a full and valuable experience, it’s jam packed with juicy bits, and there is an enormous amount for us to understand. Just this small every day experience with the Easter eggs this afternoon I could write millions of books about. It is me, all part of who I am, and yet only I and God know about it. Marion didn’t have the experience, I did, it’s mine, and even though I tried to share some of it with her, still it was nothing like I lived. And this is the heart of the matter as far as I see it, and I’d like any Celestial spirit to tell me otherwise, to tell me that I’m missing the point, that I’m getting it wrong, that I’m leading myself up the garden path - that it’s not all to do with my FEELINGS.
And to have such a deep hurt in me such as what came to light a bit more today because of the Easter eggs just gradually erased out of my soul because of my receiving the Divine Love, and for me to be none the wiser, to not even know that I felt so hurt by my parents; for that hurt that’s buried so deep within me to just slowly disappear over the years without my knowing and having anything to do with it, to me is just like how it was for me during my early life, I wasn’t fully conscious of all that went on then, but now as an adult I want to be fully conscious and aware of ALL that’s going on within me. So I don’t want the Divine Love to gently wash it all away, to purify me without my even knowing, for myself to gradually just feel better within myself, happier and more loving; shit I did want that to happen, but now having appreciated how much there is in each little experience, a whole universe of understanding and that it’s within each little feeling-experience we are to meet ourselves and God, I want it all! I hate having all the pain and torment, but I want it all and all it brings about in me, this much I’ve come to understand about myself through my healing years. And to have the Divine Love or to just choose to live one way or the other and suddenly all such pain is gone, I’ll leave that to others if that’s what they want, but as for myself, I am choosing the Way of Pain, because I am already that pain, it’s all ‘alive’ in me, has been since day dot. And I want to know what it’s all about, what it all feels like, and why I’ve got it - the whole True Of My Pain.
So that’s what I see it’s all about. And Sir Percival, if you are a Celestial and you have been sent to me via your Recorder to help me see these things and feel these things deeper about myself, then thank you. And I’m sorry for the long post, however for me it is crucial that I can write exactly what I’ve been thinking and feeling, some of this stuff for quite a time. So thank you for helping to give me the opportunity to do so.
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These are some reflections and other things that have occurred to me since yesterday.
Recorder, even though you say you have a good rapport with Sir Percival, still to me there seems a lot of ‘you’ in what Percival says, as there has to be because that’s how it is in our communications with spirit. From my experiences and from what I understand from the spirits they are severely limited in what they can say to us and how they say it, such restrictions determined by our level of truth - or lack of it. And I can see those limitations in action in what you write - spirit mortal communication being so subjective.
And from a personal healing point of view, the fact that you have come to the forum as ‘Recorder’, hiding behind such an impersonal term wishing to remain anonymous, is what you might want to look into within yourself - such as: why do you feel you need to do that, what are you scared of?; and admitting such fears, embracing them, trying to express them, along with all the other bad feelings you have because of your fear, all whilst longing to uncover the truth of such things within yourself. And this to me is spiritually progressing, for the truth will come and you will see more about how you are. And by attending to all your bad feelings in the same way, gradually your mind will let go of its control and so-called Free Will, giving over to living with more of a feeling-mind rather than a thinking-mind.
We are to be ourselves in life, warts and all, and if we feel we can’t be for whatever reasons then that is our duty to ourselves to want to know why.
I long for the Divine Love and feel the Holy Spirit bringing it into my soul. And sometimes it comes into me without my having actively longed for it. And often after receiving some more Love I get stirred up with lots more bad feelings surfacing for me to work through. However at other times nothing extra gets stirred up, just more of the usual stirrings that happen all the time when I’m not longing. So I wonder: how much direct influence in my healing does the Divine Love have - and even, does it have any direct influence?; and that my healing is a separate thing to the partaking of the Divine Love. And does it matter anyway, do both go hand in hand, or are they just two different things I am doing at the same time? But the thing is, before I actively started my Soul-Healing, which was for a number of years, I longed for and received the Divine Love but didn’t feel like any part of me or my soul was being transformed. I concluded toward the end of that time I didn’t understand what my soul being transformed actually was, and nor did I see any such evidence in other peoples lives who were also actively longing for the Love in the meditation and prayer groups I held. People still experienced all the normal life things, good and bad, and changed accordingly, but nothing extra that I could attribute to the influences of the Divine Love - or to what I imagined might be happening because of the Love. The only thing we all shared in common was an increase in our love for God and desire for more Divine Love, but that was about all.
So I still had all my problems, fears and anxiety, and in fact over those pre-healing years the more I longed the darker I felt, feeling like I was falling into a dark hole, not like I expected I would feel partaking of the Divine Love - coming up and out into the Light. And it was during one of my increasing lows that I met Marion who helped me understand about how influential my early childhood was, and how I’d repressed masses of bad feelings from back then and how they were possibly getting stirred up being why I felt increasingly bad; how my parents made me become the false and untrue person I am; and how to look to my feelings wanting to express them; and that contained within them were the very truths I was looking for. So I began my healing. And now each day lots of things come to light in me, I am constantly expressing bad feelings, and I feel I’m making good progress. I can see the changes occurring within myself, feel them, and over time they have been huge. All the changes that happened to me during my pre-healing years I could put into about half an hours worth of the changes that happen by expressing my bad feelings and looking to them for their truth. So there is no comparison, to plod along with only the Divine Love doing what I don’t really know what, or actively getting on doing your Healing and working your way through all your yuk. All of which led me to believe that the Divine Love is ONLY to do with transforming my soul into the divine, it’s not about actually helping me change or heal the personality part of myself, that is all to do with my longing for the Truth and longing to be True, the two things being very different.
People have lived all there lives longing for the Divine Love albeit unconsciously, but have they grown much in truth, have they fully healed their soul, have they achieve Celestial status whilst still of flesh? There is no one I would say has, over all these two thousand years, so perhaps there is some ingredient missing - which is the conscious doing of our Healing?
So the Divine Love of itself doesn’t make us confront our wrongness, that is there all nicely waiting until we decide we no longer want to be of it. God doesn’t as such interfere with us, as Jesus showed us through his life, he didn’t say no, he didn’t stop them putting him on the cross, he went with it accepting it all. So we can obviously long for and receive the Divine Love without it having a direct affect on us, let alone transforming our soul as we interpret that to be, but will transform it if we desire to be true and do the hard healing work of extracting ourselves from our imperfection thereby giving the Divine Love something to transform.
And as a side technical note, The Urantia Book tells us how on ordinary non-rebellious worlds Natural love evolution occurs successively through the ages until such a point when the people have reached a true and prefect enough state to warrant the arrival of the Paradise Son (Pair - so far as I’m concerned) who then through his (their) bestowal life ends up bestowing the Divine Love; that being, telling the people they can now ask God directly for the Divine Love so as to take them to the next stage in their truth and soul evolution - becoming divine. So that would mean so I imagine, that one has to be of a true and perfect level of Natural love before the Divine Love can transform it, for why not make the Divine Love available at any time before this level is reached - why wait, why not just have it always available? So humanities are obviously meant to work things out for themselves through all the stages of their Natural love progression before moving onto becoming divine. And yet in our case Jesus and Mary M came early to our world, out of sequence, as our world was already out of sequence owing to the Rebellion and Default. And Jesus and Mary were needed on Earth because Nebadon was ready to end the Rebellion, so Earth would just have to make do with having the Divine Love made available ahead of time, and well before humanity was anywhere near the level of true and perfect Natural love; and so far away from it being in our untrue and imperfect states, that I guess all the spirits in attendance wanted to see if the Divine Love would actually affect us in any way, this being such an unusual proceeding. So feeling once again like we’re the test case, the guinea pigs being subjected to such oddities, we have the truth of longing for the Divine Love now with us; and we long for it, but then wonder why it’s not doing anything, why our souls aren’t being transformed - at least some of us wonder. Which again brings us to the need to do our healing, to heal our Natural love wrongness, to bring ourselves to the level whereby the Divine Love can rightly act, so presumably in the meantime we can accumulate the Divine Love with it being in our soul waiting until it can act, waiting until we’ve done the necessary healing. And so I would imagine, as it happened to me, that people should get to a point wondering if in fact the Divine Love is actually doing what they think it is, and so start questioning themselves, which would make them confront all they believe about it, which if they can, will then lead them into having to do their healing. So I am waiting to see if any of the so-called Divine Love people ever get to this point, wanting to know about their Healing.
And another thing that I’ve come to understand about the Divine Love is how my initial experiences with it differed from Marion’s.
I, like many people I met, experienced a huge blast of Love, it was like a river of Love rushing into my soul and I would sit ‘in the Light’ for hours soaking it up. And those wonderful experiences happened for about two or three years (my pre-healing years) and then my longing started to wane but still I would long, yet less and less did any Divine Love come into me, certainly not like it was in the beginning. So then I gave up longing, settling into going a long time without making too much effort. Daily I would still long, but not expecting any Love to come. And recently I feel I’ve sort of caught up with myself, now I long more often and the Love gently comes into me, but not whooshing in as it once did, and I feel better about that.
Now looking back I think that because I was so shut off to myself - my feelings, to God, and so to the Divine Love, I was probably only receiving a tiny drop of it but it had a huge impact upon me. So the whole experience was amplified, and I would sit for hours in prayer soaking up the Love which possibly only amounted to a small amount even though it seemed and felt like it was a lot. That tiny amount had a lot of yuk to penetrate. And today, because I’ve healed so much of myself being far more open, I can only just feel the Love coming into me, far more subtly and gently, but possibly even in bigger amounts if one was able to measure it than those times years ago when it was rushing into me.
And for Marion, she said for many years she didn’t think she even received the Love, she’d long and long but nothing like my ‘big’ experiences ever happened to her. But all her life, right from when she can remember, she’s wanted to be with God and nothing else. So looking back she can see she has actually been longing for the Love all her life, and only lately has she actually been able to feel, and so realise, that in fact she has been receiving it all along in answer to her prayers, only as she was so open to it, there’s not been such a big contrast, she didn’t have all the blocks and God-denial that I had, so it’s very subtle for her and she wasn’t really aware of it. So she’s been receiving the Love all along, possibly even as a child, and all whilst she experienced her wrongness as an adult trying to be false like everyone else doing what her parents said, then through to deciding she didn’t want to live having to please everyone else, to doing her healing and now only trying to please herself by living true to her feelings. So the Divine Love was with her as she progressed steadily in her evilness, and then through her deciding not be evil anymore, and through her Healing as she puts and end to it. So what sort of ‘inner transformation’ was the Divine Love doing for her then, particularly whilst she was evolving her wrongness?
So as I said, for me it’s becoming increasingly clear that the Divine Love is to do with our personal relationship soul to Soul, and that the rest of our personality evolution and expression is to with the Truth. So we can long for and receive the Divine Love any time, yet we have to specifically want to become True. The becoming true being achieved through our healing ourselves of our untruth. And as we heal, perhaps the Divine Love then acts upon our true Natural love, however even that I still don’t know for sure; perhaps it has its own unique and special relationship with our soul, which we will understand about one day, but in the mean time, all thanks to Jesus, we can consciously long for it understanding that in some way it is helping us become divine. And that ultimately surely it will be ONLY the Divine Love we will want, simply to feel loved by our Mother and Father all the time, having given up all else that we have wrongly believed will make us feel good, loved and true.
And the other thing, which is mostly for you Samantha and others who might regularly look at the forum, today I feel like the forum is really just my record of my experiences - I am Recording them - and for your’s too Sam to a lesser degree. And all it’s really about is helping me work out all my stuff, that which I will need to know about in future, and that which is helping me understand all the inns and outs of what it’s all about.
So for now I am not going to actively try and get more people interested in doing their Healing, and if anyone comes along like Recorder and Percival I’ll deal with whatever it is they contribute, all of which I see is specifically for myself. As I have not finished my healing then really it’s all still all for me, it’s not really for anyone else in a public sense, even though I want to keep writing on a public forum. So in a way I am letting go my wanting more people to come, I don’t care now if no one else comes and it even fizzles out, for increasingly I feel it’s not up to me anyway, it’s all up to what our Mother and Father want, and that makes me feel good.
Uncover the truth through your feelings, and you're FREE!
I called myself anonymous because I don't know you personally and you don't know me. What's in a name? Does the use of anonymous really mean that I fear someone will expose my intentions?
If channeling spirits was so subjective, how do we know what is true and what is not?
Is there a possibility that your channeling may also be false and just thoughts coming from your brain and you are just making stuff up?
Could you be deceiving yourself as well? If so many channeled say they received messages from Jesus, for example John Smallman, Christ's letters, the Aquarian Gosprl etc how do you know which is the real deal?
If Marion does not feel the divine love, does it really mean that she did not receive it? Because love works in many ways and could work in a silent way, could expectations get in the way as well to receiving the Divine Love?
" So for now I am not going to actively try and get more people interested in doing their Healing, and if anyone comes along like Recorder and Percival I’ll deal with whatever it is they contribute, all of which I see is specifically for myself. As I have not finished my healing then really it’s all still all for me, it’s not really for anyone else in a public sense, even though I want to keep writing on a public forum. So in a way I am letting go my wanting more people to come, I don’t care now if no one else comes and it even fizzles out, for increasingly I feel it’s not up to me anyway, it’s all up to what our Mother and Father want, and that makes me feel good."
For what reasons do you write in a public forum and publish articles on Before Its News and yet you feel like you should let go of trying to convince others? Is there a hidden feeling of drilling wanting to promote your own teachings or healing processing? Are you just saying stuff to mask your feelings of inadequacy as well?
How do you know God wants you to do something or not? Just because you feel obliged to do something does not mean it should be done. How does the knowledge that what God is making you go through a painful process make that feel good? How can someone be painful and still feel good at the same time?
Ah, it’s good to hear form you anonymous! And what’s in a name; names are extremely important because personality interaction is the basis of what we’re all about, so it’s important to know the name of the personality you’re relating to, so I’m happy calling you Anonymous. The Mother and Father have given us all individual personality-names, even though we don’t as yet know Their Personality-Names.
And do you fear someone will expose your intentions?, I don’t know, that’s for you to find out through your feelings. I like all your questions, for it is all so difficult. How do we know the spirits are who they say they are; how do we even know they are spirits? How do we know what is true or not true; and yes, I could be making up all my channeling, you don’t know, but I could have made it all up, it’s easy to write fiction and fantasy. And even if the spirits I say I’m speaking with are who they say they are, still they are heavily limited by me in what they can say to me; and yes, perhaps they are saying all I want them to say, so I am deceiving myself, and how can I tell, how will I ever know? And even if I meet them in spirit, still how will I know if they are who they say they are, even if other spirits say they are or are not.
And do feelings lead to the truth, and just because something feels right does it mean it’s true. I know, all very difficult, and how can you tell, especially when you become aware that your mind is heavily controlling your feelings, so creating as it were ‘false feelings’, but how do you know which ones are untrue and which are real for you to follow? And the answer is you can’t know, we’re not to know, so all we can do is deal with each feeling we have at the time, be it true or ‘false’ and work with that. Fully embrace it, fully acknowledge we’re feeling it, fully accept it is a part of us; and fully try to express it, give it voice, bring it up and out, all whilst longing for the truth it is to show us. That’s all we can do, then living with faith that the truth will come; and if we are true to our feelings and express them the best we can, the truth incredibly does comes, I’ve proved it to myself time and time again.
And yes, how does Marion or anyone else not know that even if they aren’t receiving the Love yet are still honestly longing that in fact they are actually receiving it only not aware of it. How do we know anything, and again it all comes back to feelings, because even though feelings seem to be airy fairy and so arbitrary, still they are all we have. And you can try and lock it all down with your mind, as we all have been taught to do, however the problem there is we still don’t feel happy, loved and fulfilled, so it’s back to feelings. If we could just get rid of feelings altogether and be happy in our mind-circuits like the angels are according to Sir Percival, then sure like might be easier to live and understand, however we’re not made that way, we have feelings to deal with, and if we keep denying them we get sick and feel even worse. So we can’t get away from them, so why not learn to work with them?
And all you say about my possibly having hidden feelings about not wanting to promote my work, yes, you’re probably right; I’ve had masses of feelings about putting my stuff out there, about people coming, people not coming, why do I want to do it, what are my true motives, am I doing it just because it’s what I believe I should do based on how I was brought up; and on and on, and my saying what I did yesterday about it is just my next step in understanding this about myself. And what I said will last as long as it will until the next step comes up in me and then I will no doubt feel somthing else. And as we find through our Healing, so often the very negative thing you feel and express and uncover the truth of, once the truth has come to light, suddenly you feel the exact opposite, so it’s quite possible having said I don’t want to keep trying to make people come, and once I uncover all the truth and express all the feelings to do with that, which might be today or in ten years time, then I might feel suddenly I’ve changed and I want to keep trying to convince others - I’m still trying to convince you!
And the Big Question and yet more worries: how do you know if God wants you to do something or not, especially when He won’t tell you. And just because you feel obliged doesn’t mean it should be done, so what we can do is find out why we feel obliged, and how we feel about doing it feeling obliged as we do it - angry, etc; or what we feel like not doing it whilst feeling obliged - guilty, etc, all very valid feelings as we feel them. And slowly as we deal with all these feelings, as I said, getting onto each of them, working them, trying to focusing on them and speak about or express them the best we can, all whilst really wanting to know the truth of them, which is the truth of ourselves as they are part of ourselves, then slowly we work our way along coming to understand ourselves better and so eventually being able to feel which feelings we do want to act on and why, which are false or resulting from some childhood programming of what’s expected of us, with the same applying to what God wants us to do. God wants us to live true to our feelings, because that’s how They’ve created us. And as we do the better we feel within ourselves. But it’s a long term project because we’re so untrue and so far away from being able to feel and so act of our true feelings.
And so because of this, surprisingly, which I feel on my better days, I do feel good about feeling bad, I feel very bad feeling bad, very bad feeling all fucked up and full of yuk, yet very good about working my way through my stuff, which I am doing and feeling better and better about each day. And it was a shock to me to understand that we can feel good and bad at the same time, just feelings on different levels, with one being up more than the other. I grew up believing you felt one way or the other and that was how you were to feel forevermore. Marion helped me to see you can feel good and bad and all sorts of conflicting feelings all the time, many of which drive me mad trying to sort out, with them all swirling around and feeling so out of control. But in time as I speak them out they settle down, and even though for example now I hate how we treat nature feeling so bad seeing all the dead wallabies on the side of the road into Cowes, still I also feel really good today because of all the stuff I’ve worked through these past couple of days thanks to you and Sir Percival.
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There are sure a lot of questions unknown, I guess the only way to seek Truth is to keep asking questions, for finding Truth is the desire to know something, the feeling of dissatisfaction and we also acknowledge that we have limits, we feel the need to know and expand our knowledge.
Why do we seek knowledge? Why can ignorance be bliss? Is ignorance always a curse upon humanity?
Do questions bring hope as well? Even a channeling begins with a question? Sometimes we make up the answers to give us hope about a brotherhood that cares for us, that we are part of a great plan that can redeem humanity.
Where do we fall in God's plan? Do we have to be hard ourselves?
Are animal desires necessarily evil and filthy that they should not be gratified?
Suppose we evolved from apes, and we are also spiritual beings as well? Does not mean the animal nature of ourselves must also be embraced and cherished as well?
What do other sources speak about Jesus? What do they say? Have you taken a look at Judas of Kerioth messages, and other contemporary messages as well? Perhaps there be more inspiration? James Reid also channeled something about emotions, you should check out the Richard messages if you have any chance.
Could your feeling healing be based on what someone else is doing as well? The feeling healing sounds like what AJ Miller is doing for quite a while, and your's nothing new, have you checked on his successes and failures?
Have others left AJ Miller and joined the ranks of the Padgett Messages, what do they say?
Have you looked into others as well, perhaps times has changed and people are different know, is it good to meet with the past acquaintances again?
Have you done travelling before? Many are happy when traveling abroad.
Is it that the ultimate thing authorities have not thought you is to question everything we see and hear? Is this not also finding truth? For the seeking the Truth is not just limited to the feelings as well and questioning ourselves?
A new study came out that linked addiction to isolation itself, have you been in touch with other people and socialized? You seem to be in contact with spirits most of the time, but does not mean you should see your fellow human friends as well, even though their beliefs are different?
Is it possible to just limit yourself to Marion? Have you said hi to your neighbors? Have you taken others out to dinner and had a fun time?
Imagine you've been living in a cave since birth, and all you saw was shadows on the wall, does the sun exist? If you crawled out of the cave what would you be surprised at? Another source of new feelings, is it that God wants you to not only experience feelings on the inside but also on the outside as well?
If you taken medication before? When was the last time you sought a doctor? Is it better to heal yourself even when something goes wrong, or seek a doctor who knows more than you?
These are the kinds of questions we must all ask ourselves, and even these questions will poss others off because others are ignorant. Is not the feeling of not knowing something a feeling as well?
I don't expect God to have us find all the answers in life, nor pester us to take a test, he just wants us to answer and try our best to have good intentions. If he is all knowing, does not he know what goes on in the heart? Even if you helped someone just for the sake of helping someone and thought you were lying to yourself, at least you know and feel in your heart that self glorification is bad, that acts should not be done just to get rewards.
If you do good things, are you trying to please others or God himself?
Is it possible because within the movement there has been divisions as well? Even those you believed in the Divine Love left lead to their doubts?
Fundamentalists vs Contemporaries, could one of these camps caused doubts in others as well? Suppose you channeled something post-Padgett times, there will always be people who do not like change and may disapprove of what you do, and that not happen to Hans Radax as well? Is this not doubt as well?
You also left the "Padgett movement" as well, could there also be other things that went on? It could have been the certain individuals who pissed you off. Not all of them hate you or reject your beliefs. Or else our movement would be like Republicans vs Democrats.
The only way to seek truth is to keep honouring your feelings and seeking the truth of them.
All the rest, such as all these questions you’ve posted Anonymous are only mind-food, which end up doing nothing for the true advancement of your soul. You can go on asking them for the rest of eternity and for every answer you receive there will be another million questions to ask, all of which sucks us into believing the mind and understanding things with it is important. Nicholas, Judas, James Reid, Al, AJ, yourself, all of you want to know the truth through the mind, but you can’t do that, the Mind is NOT the way to the Truth. So you keep asking questions, ask, ask, ask, asking anyone you come across, asking the spirits, always looking for more information; and even if what you find is true, still you’re not living it just because you might agree with or understand it. You only live the truth when it comes up within yourself, then it’s ‘YOUR’ truth, it’s your expression of the truths you are living. And we are all to find out the truth for ourselves, all through our feelings. You can’t go to the supermarket and pick Truth off the shelf, it has to come through your feelings. So none of you so far as I’m concerned are really and sincerely wanting the truth, because if you were you’d be doing your Healing. And I’ve told you Anonymous what I think and feel about it all, and yet from your questions it’s apparent that you don’t think much of what I’ve said, none of it gels, it’s not important for you, so here you are again reaming off another bunch of questions which you no doubt think are important, but I don’t.
We are souls expressing our unique personality. We have all been conceived into wrongness, so all of our personality expression and interaction with each other has been tainted with wrongness. And because of that we can’t and don’t love truly, love coming about from the true expression of ourselves - of our personality. And what we are to do is to one day realise that because of this we can’t express ourselves properly and because of that we don’t feel good. So all this mind stuff is an expression of your personality dysfunction, and to indulge in it giving it power and believing it will get you somewhere so far as healing your self and progressing in truth is concerned, is self-delusion.
For example “Could your feeling healing be based on what someone else is doing as well?”, and the answer is: Who cares! Why dwell on such unnecessary stuff when you are not getting on attending to your feelings and looking to them for such answers, as they will end up answering all your questions. Every moment you spend caught up in such questions, feelings are passing you by. There might be millions of people advocating the same healing, and there might not, but what are you trying to do - find the best person for you to listen to? LISTEN TO YOURSELF, IT’S ALL RIGHT THERE WITHIN YOU, LOOK TO YOUR FEELINGS - THEY WILL TELL YOU.
So there is no point my trying to answer all your questions when really I feel you are not actually directing them to me, you don’t care what I say, your questions and reaction to what I’ve already said have shown me that, so I am wasting my time continuing on trying to deal with them. It’s just a power-play you’re indulging in, which is okay as we’re all doing that on different levels, but I don’t want to play. If you are seriously asking me a question then I will feel drawn to answer it, but until I feel that, I feel like you’re just talking off the top of heard, talking to the air. And I know about this because it’s what I do too to Marion, so now I can recognise it in someone else, which is all how growing in truth affects us, the more we see about ourselves, the more we can see and relate to those same characteristics in others.
Our whole growth of Truth (or spiritual growth) is about looking to rectify our personality expression, all so we can then express love and feel loved, nothing else; which is why I keep stressing having the desire to live true to yourself, by living true to your feelings. All this what you’re doing is only more of the same, more of the evilness, which if you want to continue with is not my concern.
Long for the Divine Love. Long for the Truth. The truth being found through your feelings and NOT through your mind. Really it is very simple.
This is not specifically to do with you Anonymous, however it’s following on from what I’ve said above regarding the Divine Love.
Marion was saying (and I agree with her), that she feels the Divine Love being what evolves our soul-perceptions enables us to understand on ever deeper levels, what it is really all about, how we’re going in our healing, how we are going in our relationship with each other and God, all the reaching out to be with the Mother and Father, and wanting Them to come and be with us, all those deeper feelings and awareness, which if we were limited only to Natural love she reckons we wouldn’t have.
And that whilst one is longing for and receiving the Love and doing their Healing then ones awareness and soul perceptions will keep expanding, but if one is not doing their Healing, then the Divine Love can’t act and so must wait until it can. And people working on themselves, even working on their feelings, and seeing bits and pieces of truth about themselves, but all with the desire to simply fix their problems so they get on feeling better and being more happy and successful in their wrongness, are not of course benefitting from the Divine Love, so aren’t orientated toward wanting to be at-one with God and perfect and true and all-loving like God is.
So the Divine Love as we work through our Healing has a huge impact on us in our relationship with God, be it however we relate to Them. Whereas I supposed people doing only their Feeling-Healing and without the Divine Love are limited to a more mental concept of God, still possibly increasing their self-awareness to some degree and their love of themselves, others, nature and God, but all limited to the levels of such things contained within the mansion worlds, and not being able to move out into living higher awareness and perception brought about through the Celestial levels of life.
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It’s very clear to me now, as I’ve said before, that Jesus and Mary M came for the whole of Nebadon, revealing the truth about the Divine Love and how we can transform our mortal souls of Natural love into immortal souls of Divine Love, which they had to tell everyone in their universe, including we who are in rebellion.
So Jesus told us about the Divine Love, and then fulfilled his promise by coming back and telling us again through James Padgett because we lost the truth, but that’s all he did. So he didn’t save us in the sense that we believe being saved is, that being saved from the devil, healing our evilness; whatever we think, he didn’t reveal the truth of how to heal ourselves of our untruth.
He and Mary saved Nebadon from the Rebellion continuing any further, with the Lucifer’s and Satan’s being banished to the detention world; so they saved us in that sense, but the damage was all well and truly done to us by then. And they left the revealing of how we are to save ourselves (heal ourselves of our rebellion) to the Avonal Pair, knowing they would come, heal themselves, and so uncover the way for people to heal their wrongness.
So the Christians are confused as to what being saved is all about, and who is to come and show us how to do it, which is of course as it should be for how can it be any different when all who follow such man-made religions are themselves wrong following religions made from wrongness.
And what a weird way to be saved, that to simply believe in someone being the Saviour means you are saved. None of it makes any sense, and is only wishful thinking - moronic really.
And yet what more can we expect from the untruth, our whole way of life being untrue is moronic and meaningless, yet we worship it praising our own greatness when really we don’t have a clue.
So the Avonal Pair are to reveal the way from us to save ourselves. And once saved, once we’ve done our healing (or as we heal parts of ourselves), then in our true and perfect Natural love states we can partake of the Divine Love transforming our souls into the Divine.
I am chronically bored - that being how felt through my childhood. Being with my parents who didn’t engage and connect with me properly, as did neither the teachers at school, so my childhood was one long boredom.
And now having given up so much more of my fantasies that I used in my mind to escape being bored pretending to myself that I had a life, I am left with just how I was back then, so wanting food to eat as something to do, to keep going up the road to the shops buying things to eat and things for Marion; buy, buy, buy, just as I was allowed to do when young, dad (now the government) giving me some pocket money and a little other money to get the small things I wanted from the shops: football cards, packets of chips and Twisties, icecreams and other lollies, little things, all to quell the boredom.
It is incredible how gradually I’ve become as I was when I was at home when young, all so I can feel and relate to all I felt back then, all so I know how I felt back then by how I feel now. All so I know the whole truth of myself so far.
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There was a lot of schoolwork to be done, could not have the time to reply. Yesterday though I researched something called narcissist personality disorder. If you search through all your feelings perhaps the answer was narcissist parents who would sabotage and never make you feel good.
From your feeling healing experience it all points to these kind of parents.
Narcissist parents would only view the children as extensions, and tools. They care only about themselves, but don't give credit to the child.
Say a child got good grades, the motive why a narcissist parent would like a child to get good grades is not really to let the child become successful but to receive praise from others, "What a good mom and dad you are!"
Then that parent whose self inflated ego would turn to the child, obviously the child should not have the fair share of the credit and love it deserves. The child is criticized for being lazy and stupid even though he or she gets good grades or even have good intentions.
In everything we do we must have good intentions. I understand that you have good intentions to help the world make the better place, I will not place judgement on your character nor who you are. That is what narcissist people do.
In fact the number of such narcissists are in the rise, startlingly on the rise. There are not very good people out there. Their souls are not even prepared to have children, or else their influence would cloud the soul, and darken it.
Even if a world teacher comes again no one or the majority will listen to him. They crucified Jesus, and many others who tried to defy the status quo. It's not like the avonal pair will come down and establish a utopia ourselves overnight, it does not work that way. No man can even do that.
The only war is within the soul to fight unloving behaviour and become loving again. That is what will bring about the New Millennium, if everyone had done that, and their parents taught that then that would be great, the World would not have evil corporations screwing the world.
You may be against the "be loving and kind, receive Divine Love" message but in this world, many are hypocrites. Many say,"just love one another" but they really don't live it. I got a bit ticked off by these people who just don't do what they say. I think no one on this earth except a few really live the message.
These people just preach and not love, act towards their deeds. It is these people especially the preachers and teachers and profiteers, movement leaders, of all authorities, secular and religious who say to respect each other yet they themselves don't live love.
It is these hypocritical narcissists that push others into feeling bad, that is how the world goes and runs. To be honest I feel like a doormat as well, getting trampled and used by others, even on their faces they produces fake smiles of love.
The world is also built upon lies upon lies, to be CEO, or popular in the social circles one will have to lie. They will lie and see themselves as making a dent in the world when in reality they use others to do work.
That is how charities are run to scam others money. Politicians etc. For the Next World teacher to return, hardly anyone will listen. In fact many will call themselves the next world teacher, and be hypocrites themselves.
Narcissistic personality disorder. We have to give it a name, and somehow that validates it and can even let us off the hook being it or suffering under it. The fact is as we’re all conceived into Rebellion we’re all narcissistic, we’re all in it for ourselves, although of course on the surface of it it might seem some more so than others. And yes that is what my parents were, so I missed out on their love and got all the false attention and praise, however what does it really mean? And so, intellectually it might explain some of my pain and errant behaviour, but still it doesn’t help me healing such hurt and wrongness. And so that’s where our feelings come if, looking to them to uncover the truth of the unloving state you grew up in, liberating all the pain and hurt and sadness along the way. And of course, ending your own narcissism. Anonymous, where your parents Narcissistic?
However what you say about our parents looking at us as an extension of themselves, that sure does apply to me, and I was parented by them making me behave as they themselves behaved, I didn’t really exist, I was just like another arm or leg that wouldn’t behave properly so had to be continually be brought into line. All of which has caused me so many bad feelings; to feel that you don’t exist, that you are alive and in life but it is not for you - has no meaning for you, only makes you feel bad, and nothing you do makes you feel good. Masses of bad feelings within me that I’ve been slowly bringing out through my healing years. Even this morning I realised how disappointed and let down I felt about my family not being the loving family I was told and so believed it was. How hurt I feel that they didn’t actually care about me, that I was treated like a piece of the furniture. And how much I’ve missed out on, that I’ve been alive all these years yet never felt really loved, such a waste of time, what a nothing existence, but at least now through my feelings I’m connecting with it all and understanding this is how it’s been for me.
And what you say about the Avonal pair I tend to agree with. Very few people will get what they are saying, and they aren’t coming to create a utopia, they aren’t coming to change anything on the world level, they are simply revealers, so they are going to shed light on the way to heal ourselves through our feelings. And how many people are going to want to hear that truth, let alone want to do the actual hard hands on healing of their Childhood Repression. It will probably take the next 1000 years for people to actually understand what they were on about, however as always there will be a few people who do get it, have already got it, and are working to keep the light burning.
And if they suddenly piped up announcing themselves as the Avonal Pair to the world, saying that they have done their healing and so others can too, it would, so I imagine, require other people to be aware of them and the healing they did, other wise how would anyone know that they did actually do any healing, that they weren’t just born perfect like Mary and Jesus were, assuming some people accept them as they say they are. So I guess there will need to be witnesses to some degree, people who can say yes, they have been working on themselves and have healed themselves - some sort of account. And then again, as I think about these things, there might not need to be anything like that, they might suddenly stand up announcing themselves without having to prove they’ve healed themselves, that being an even bigger test of faith for those people who chose to listen to what they say.
And personally I have nothing against ‘be loving and kind and receiving the Divine Love’, and if that’s what people want to do at least they might lessen the rottenness a little, or believe they are, and I’d rather live in a world with those people then people who want to just be bad. But still, how can you make yourself ‘be loving and kind’, you either are or you aren’t, so any ‘making’ yourself be that way is false.
And as I think all we believe love to be is ‘false’, as none of it is based on or coming from truth, and truth from expressing your bad feelings and uncovering their truth, so trying to be ‘loving’ is just trying to be even more false than you already are. It took me some time to understand what Marion would say: that I have to be true to myself, so whilst I’m evil, true to my evilness. I have to admit and allow myself to be the horrid person I am, all so I can feel what it feels like being that way, feel how other people react to me, feel how my parents treated me to make me be wrong, all so I can understand the truth of my wrongness, which is the truth of myself. So to live true, we first have to live true to the negative unloving evil person and state we’re in, and once we fully understand that, then we’ll be able to get on living true to the good, pure, loving and true person we’ll be.
So Anonymous, what do you think about the feelings part, about submitting to your bad feelings and seeking their truth?
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