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Post by samantha9 on Dec 18, 2015 7:55:24 GMT 10
I have been going through so much pain of late and all I have for help is what you have written James, about your and Marion's healing experiences. To read past writings about how it is ok to hate everything as you have written about Marion in the past. The truth of my awfulness is being shown to me at every turn and how I am so easily manipulated by others, three times in one week I have been conned out of money and it has made me feel so small, so stupid and hating myself for being so gullible, I am so stupid and I have been feeling the depths of the stupidity and hate I feel for myself, so foolish, how I fell for everything because I trusted the two people in my life that I thought I could trust beyond question, my first relationship taught me how to be so gullible and I feel so furious at them for this and at myself.
I will continue with this and feel the full impact of my rage at myself and at them for making me believe lies. This has weakened me beyond words this week and I have the worst cold I have had in ages, it is attacking me as I attack me, as they attacked me. I am full up with pain at this time and my physical condition is telling me the truth of my soul condition, reflecting it perfectly to me to accept it and express it to find truth.
I am spending some time reading over what you have written about Marion feeling so much pain in herself at the way she is, the way her parents created her to be because at this time I am right in that place and it helps me to express my own feelings, not feeling like I shouldn't feel such self hate and shame, but to feel that I must go as far into those feelings that are being shown to me through my feelings to heal them out of me.
Once again James and Marion, thank you for all you express, to me it is vital, its all I have. xx
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Post by James on Dec 19, 2015 22:12:57 GMT 10
Marion says I’m not sympathetic to her frailties, or to myself and all my problems. That as I can’t accept myself, feel sorry for myself and respecting myself that I have such problems and difficulties, that I can’t accept her or anyone else. She was saying, which is true, how I come home from a walk berating myself about how pathetic I am, that I can’t even walk as far as I want, that I can’t walk up the hill without everything within me screaming with pain and feeling like I’m dragging a dead weight of my body along. That I don’t feel sorry for myself, sorry for how I was so unlovingly treated growing up and how I am now the poor result of such abuse.
They abused me, so I continue to abuse myself. They disrespected me, so I disrespect myself. I can’t be anything other than how they were - how they were to me is exactly how I am to myself, which is exactly how I am to Marion and everyone else.
And yet daily I keep feeling so angry about myself being how I am - all the wrongness that comes to light, and angry about the world and all its bullshit and all the crap I grew up in and was subjected to, and angry about how my parents treated me.
And daily I feel how much more I hate myself, them, how it was, and the whole world and everyone in it - all except nature.
And as I said to her, but I can’t even allow myself to be as unsympathetic and uncaring and unloving as I am, I can’t even allow myself to hate as much as I do, and bring it all out just being my full hatred-self, or full hating self. I can’t be sympathetic to my unsympatheticness.
So following on from what you said Sam, I am still struggling to acknowledge the hatred I feel, and to allow myself to express it. And then there’s all the layers of it within me that I’m not as yet conscious of and which I am still to uncover. And I struggle to allow myself to keep going deeper, because all I was taught that hating was too strong, it’s not allowed, it will only make bad things happen to me. But as I’m slowly understanding, I am only hating because bad things DID happen to me, and if they hadn’t, I wouldn’t hate, I’d have no need to.
At the Bush Bank the other day one of the women was asking me about my relationship with my mother. We’ve often spoken about it, and I’ve told her bits and pieces about my healing and my approach to life and how I’m trying to heal my repressed childhood shit and so on, all of which she’s accepted and even understood to a small degree. And yet when it came up again and I said I hate my mother, this woman said, oh no you don’t James, you don’t hate her, that’s too strong, you might not like some of how she is, but hate, no, no, no, you don’t hate your mother. As if she knows how I feel about mum. Which is exactly how mum treated me and why I fucking hate her so much, just like how I hated this woman for saying such things to me, for telling me that I am wrong feeling what I feel and that I don’t feel that way, and that I have no right being as I am, all completely disrespecting me and not caring about me, not being sympathetic to me, just as Marion was accusing me of how I am with her. So I’m still getting it done to me as I’m still doing it myself. With the only difference now being with Marion that I am at least getting better at allowing her to say all her worst stuff without saying she’s wrong and shouldn’t and is bad going on about it all all the time.
So as I’ve been able to accept my bad feelings and express something of them, so I’ve been at least able to accept Marion and her going on about hers.
So for me to become loving and caring and sympathetic of myself I first have to allow myself to just feel how I feel, which means, or includes, all the worst of the worst that I feel, and about myself, Marion, anyone else, God, the whole world. So I’ve got to first be true to my rottenness, allowing myself to be as vile, angry, hateful and putrid as I am, and then possibly if and when I ever express it all and accept myself fully being this ‘evil’, negative, unloving person, then something else might happen. All the way along Marion has allowed herself to express as bad as she’s felt about herself, me, the Mother and Father and everyone else, and now she’s feeling better and better about herself. So it’s working for her, and as I’ve only got her example of going against absolutely everything I was taught about myself and what life is, then all I can do is keep going ‘her’ way and see what happens.
But it’s all so very difficult when you weren’t allowed to feel bad. Marion says, they can tell you you can’t feel bad, but that doesn’t mean you have to stop being what you feel, changing yourself into being as they say. But she wasn’t stopped from having her bad feelings when she grew up, she just wasn’t allowed to outwardly express them, whereas I was brainwashed into believing that I didn’t even have them, living as if I never felt bad. Which is so bizarre because I did feel bad a lot, but I just learnt not to pay attention to those bad feelings, to shut them out, put my mind to work fantasising that I was alright, that everything was good, that I didn’t have any problems. And that I never hated - hate being sinful, that evil most nastiest word, worse than swearing... Oh no James, you mustn’t EVER say that, no, no, no.... as if the worst thing imaginable would happen to me if I dared to say, I hate... Well now I say, fuck it, bring it on: I HATE, I HATE, I HATE; and what’s more mum, dad and Gran, it’s about all I feel. And guess what? The most I hate, the people I hate the most in the world are ... You!
So fuck off and leave me alone! I HATE YOU.
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Post by samantha9 on Dec 20, 2015 18:14:39 GMT 10
I am going to go straight in with what you are saying about Hate. I felt such a surge of excitement as you were expressing your hate, Yes, Yes, Yes I felt. Hate is not accepted when it comes to parents, I have experienced the same shut down when using the Hate word, people saying oh no Sam, you don't really Hate anyone, and the Rage that fills up inside of me is almost overwhelming, they expect me to retract my statement and say oh well no, Maybe that was a bit strong, but I cant, its how I feel. I thought I had a new confidante in my sister and I could express myself to her but she will only go so far before it all goes pear shaped and she starts protecting Mum and Dad from what I am saying, she defends them and starts parenting them as she has always done. I now know I have no one, absolutely no one that I can trust and talk to that is open to hearing the truth of how I feel.
NO ONE WILL ACCEPT THE HATE WORD.
I feel people around me retract their energy from me when I use it, you can say all the Fucks in the world but bring out the HATE word and wow, the change that occurs and the defence of the one you want to hate is straight in there, every one will shut you down when you bring out the hate word. Its like your parents jumping on you instantly with disappointment to hear you say you hate something or someone, Oh no Sam, you don't mean that, take it back right now, that's an awful thing to say, you don't hate any one.
YES I DO, I HATE YOU AND I HATE THAT YOU HAVE MADE ME FEEL SO BAD AND SO GUILTY ABOUT USING THE HATE WORD, AND I HATE THAT YOU PULL ANY IOTA OF LOVE AWAY FROM ME WHEN I USE IT.
I am feeling the anger and rage at being shut down by every one, I have no where to go with it all, its like every turn is a wall slapped up in front of me, of non acceptance, we wont hear you Sam if you are going to carry on like this, its not acceptable, go and think about what you have said you bad girl.
Last night I lay in bed and the tears were rolling off my face as I felt the truth of my self hate and my sadness at not being accepted for it. I wanted to express myself to someone and I felt the awful truth of having no one to listen to me, it is futile to even try because they would all shut me down and feel like I have such a huge problem with myself, all worrying about me and how unstable I am all because I want to express how truly vile I feel about myself, how the truth is coming up and slapping me in the face constantly, showing me the truth of who I am and have been, there is no escape but no one wants to hear it, they cant bear it, the truth. They all want me to keep it repressed inside me so they don't have to feel bad, I can no longer bear the denial of others at hearing the truth, they don't want me to feel bad and they definitely don't want to hear about it and they are happy for me to keep it inside me, just lie to them and keep it how it has always been a great big lie.
I feel so angry at everyone for only wanting the lie, the good stuff. You lot are all going the wrong way, stop, turn around. Its all so wrong. I feel like I have just stopped in time and every one else is carrying on in there lives, in there denial and repressed state and I am just hanging there in suspension, just having stopped and stepped out of the game and am now watching it all go on.
I have been very ill over the past few days and want to get sicker, I want to get as sick as my soul is, I want to see the truth manifest in front of me at the truth of how sick my soul is truly feeling, show me the state I am in that I have denied, show me the defiled condition of my soul, I need it spelt out for me God, show me the truth of the condition of my soul, let me see how ugly and how full of shit and hate I am. I have been so bad as I ask for it to be shown to me so I know the truth of my condition, I need to feel it near to breaking point, I want it and the more I ask the worst I get and feel. This is the truth I want and only by feeling this vile, ugly, awful, hate filled, defiled of soul, only by seeing, feeling it in the physical can I truly feel the truth and get to the grief. There is no escaping it, this is how I truly am inside, rotten and decaying with all of my denial and repression being shown to my physically and I need it, I want it more than anything.
Everyone wants me to medicate my illness away and say I am being silly putting up with it when I don't have to and more anger rises in me, JUST FUCK OFF, I don't want to miss one single feeling of pain and how awful I feel. Why would I deny and reject any part of me feeling so bad, this is for me, this is truth coming up for me to feel and heal and grieve how bloody awful I am, this is my chance to feel the truth of how denial and repression looks in the physical and how feel its pain. Why would I want to medicate it all away and push it all back down inside of me, hating it all. I am fully accepting it and wanting it no matter how bad it gets this is my chance to really touch it as it comes up to the surface, to feel it physically makes it so much easier to cry about the cause of it all, I could never reject the truth I am being brought and no one will understand that, they think I am mad and very unstable and don't want to be near me at all, they are angry at me for not doing as they say so I don't have to feel the pain and when I say I want to feel more and deeper as deep as it can get, they think I am losing my mind and walk away in anger at my stupidity.
No one will ever understand what I am doing, I have stopped, I am going the other way to them, going against all I was taught by my parents to deny everything in life. I am now welcoming it all, all the bad stuff they tried so hard to keep me from and I am being hated for it, rejected for it, for not doing it their way, the way they taught me, I am just stopping it all.
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Post by James on Dec 21, 2015 15:33:35 GMT 10
I love all you say Sam, it’s so refreshing to read how you’re just allowing yourself to feel all you do. And what you’ve written today along with everything else you’ve said is helping me to appreciate what I have with Marion. It’s so easy to take things for granted, and even to do so unconsciously because you don’t have anything else to show you what you’re doing and what’s happening is not the norm or unique. So my having Marion and being able to tell her straight to face that I hate... whatever it is I am feeling, something personal about her: I hate what you’ve done to your hair, why did you cut it like that, I liked it how it was... and then go on to say and express all my feelings about why I hate it so I can see the truth of such feelings; and to be able to say, I hate myself how I bite my nails, how I eat too much... and she not saying, which my mother always did and getting angry with me - well don’t do it then! Marion allowing me to say all I feel, encouraging me to go further, to say all the horrible feelings I feel about myself; and about the world, to dump all my yuk that I’m projecting all over everyone saying how much I hate them and why, then helping me and directing me to come back to myself and stay focused on why I feel such hatred, what’s going on deeper in me and how does it all relate back to mum and dad, is all so good. (Sorry for the mouth-full of a paragraph but I enjoyed writing it and just going with its flow.)
Sam I guess what’s happening to you is part of what Mary said some time ago in that you’ll come up against more opposition like that man who treated you so badly at Glastonbury. It’s a hard road you’re on without any backup and support, having to do it all alone. I sure admire you, your determination in allowing yourself to just feel as bad as you do like being sick all so you can see how bad you are.
And it just occurred to me, I wonder if there’s a deeper reason why some women in particular, and probably some men too, will need to do so much of their healing alone - possibly about expressing and bringing to light all their aloneness, overcoming it by submitting to it, because really we are all alone, even though we grow up surrounded by other people.
This morning I woke up being able to see the results of many years working on myself, this being how I am in different situations in life and with different people. How I change. For example, when I’m in the car with Marion I am the young boy with mum or Gran. When I’m in the shop with Marion and I think we should go but she’s still wanting to ask the salesperson more questions I become mum treating her like she’s the annoying child taking up my time with unnecessary things. Then at home if she is struggling to do something, even a small thing like polishing one of silver rings, the vigorousness and repetition of the movement, and suddenly again I’m mum being angry with her wanting to tell her to stop doing that thing, it’s annoying, the boringness of the repetition and having the difficulty. Just stop it, and do as you’re told - as I say! I’m not on her side feeling sympathetic to the difficulty of her having to clean her jewellery, for me it’s - well you shouldn’t have got so much, it’s all your own fault - SO SHUT UP AND STOP COMPLAINING. And then comes my hatred: I hate how you’re always complaining about the things you’re doing when it’s something you want to do...
All these behaviours I have in these situations we’ve worked on repeatedly over the years, gradually teasing out the intricate dynamics of what’s involved - of who am I now in this situation. And for years Marion would see it and tell me and I’d fight her saying she wasn’t right, but I’d listen whilst she painted the picture, and now I’m able to see it for myself in my own actions. I can feel myself switching from being mum or dad to being the child to being Gran to being someone I saw on TV or in a movie or whilst out shopping, all the roles I’ve been made to play, have been subjected to and have observed, that I thought were important and how you’re meant to be in life, and all that I’ve believed are my being a kind, caring, considerate, compassionate loving person - which couldn’t be further from the truth, it all being lies and falseness.
When I do have a slight anger feeling suddenly come up, especially when Marion is doing some innocuous little thing, and then I can bring it straight out saying how much I hate her doing what she’s doing: the noise she is making, the way she does whatever it is, what she just said, even the one word she used, and she just takes it all, even asking me about it or encouraging me to go on; after all the bad feelings are gone and I see why it is that I’m angry, I feel so good, and I’m still not used to it. That it actually works, that the anger is only repressed stuff that is resulting from something from my early life. And once it’s out in the open, it’s such good feelings of relief and feeling clear, and that I’m no longer stuck, I can move on, I’m more expansive in a sort of way, and the thing Marion was doing or said I’m no longer angry about. But gee, through the day, and some days more than others, there are so many of these small things that I feel bad and angry about. Just one after another. And even though I feel bad about being angry with her and telling her how I hate her time and time again, it is all a clearing away and I don’t hate her and are no longer angry with her after it’s gone. It certainly is an incredible process and experience to have, and one that goes against everything we’ve been told.
But what I hate the most is how powerless I am in all my yuk. It comes up, I see it, I express as much as I can about whatever is making me feel bad and all my bad feelings, but still nothing changes. I mean, there is always incremental changes going on with each bad feeling expression, I can see that in retrospect and how it all adds up and suddenly I have changed, but mostly I feel like I’m not making any progress and I feel so stuck, so rigidly bound into my beliefs and behaviours and with no way ever of ending them. I hate that, feeling I can’t change myself when I see what’s wrong. And being forced to just give up and accept my powerlessness, which is of course what I had to do all throughout my childhood. And then just trust that when I no longer need to be the way I am I will change, which does happen, but as I said, too slowly for my liking, I want it instantly fixed, which is again what mum and dad demanded of me to do, to instantly stop it and instantly change myself.
And speaking of major changes, which I’ll add here whilst I’m feeling like writing, a couple of weeks ago Marion and I both at the same time underwent another big food change, we both suddenly felt we didn’t want to eat vegetables anymore. And this for me is unheard of, life without vegetables means I will get instantly sick! I hated having to eat some of them when I was young, mum was a very bad cook, but to reject all vegetables especially when only a few weeks before the change I was craving Brussel sprouts and potatoes. And we’ve started eating avocados and bananas. We’ve not had them for years and now we love them. And up until recently I’ve always had to eat throughout the day, regular and irregular meals. But suddenly I’ve been happy to have scrambled eggs or half an avocado in the morning and then not feeling like I need anything else for the rest of the day, even doing a full days work at the Bush Bank. It’s so odd not feeling hungry.
And then being at the Bush Bank and seeing the reaction of the woman Jenny who runs it when I said I didn’t bring any lunch because I don’t feel like eating, she couldn’t deal with it and I had to have at least some fruit to ease her pain and inner conflict. Then she started to feel pressured because she had to buy extra stuff or share her own lunch to feed me, which is all so bizarre when I’m about fifteen years older than her and yet she is treating me like I’m her child. I’d hate to be her child, it would probably grow into a huge balloon being continually stuffed full of food. And this is another part of my healing I’m having to come to terms with, which obviously you are too, that as I change other peoples reactions to me change, and I’m not used to them, no longer is anything predictable, so mostly more bad (although some good as well) feelings to deal with. But at least I feel like I’m more in life, having an impact on my space and being truer to myself rather than being a tall waif floating around aimlessly not wanting to upset anyone because I’m so scared of them being angry and disapproving of me.
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Post by samantha9 on May 26, 2016 7:18:06 GMT 10
I have not been on the forum because I haven't felt like talking to anyone, things have been strange and I have been in deep despair about my life and how I feel so cheated of being allowed to know who I am, I have been in deep grief about being a creation of my parents and not ever being able to know the true creation of God that I am underneath all of this lie of the fake, parent created self. I am in deep grief that my life has all been a created lie and what a waste it all is never being who God created me to be, what's the point of it all. I believed the lie was true, it was the real me and to know it is all a creation of my parents errors, fears and feelings has weakened me to being unable to do anything, still feeling so powerless being their creation, everything is pointless in this false condition. I have been in such sadness and grief about not knowing who I am and my whole life being a lie, I didn't have any choice. I have cried so much in such pain that I have made myself drained and empty inside, literally wailing and making noises that I never thought possible.
I think Jesus came to me showing me his eyes first that were so beautiful, like none I have ever seen then I saw him standing in a beautiful breeze with the wind blowing his wavy hair over his face and he was smiling at me as I cried when I felt the love coming from him and the brightness. I am not in a good place but if that was Jesus, I felt I was on the right track no matter how bad I feel. I feel pretty ill constantly and have been plunged into a feeling of deep repentance over what I have done in my life, it has all been flooding back to me, all the hurt I have caused myself and others and it has been the deepest feelings of sorrow for all that I have done. I cant even put my words together very well so I wont go on, I just wanted to tell you of my seeing Jesus when I was at my lowest point and I felt all was as it should be, just to fully grieve it all out of me. I don't feel like myself anymore because this fake me is not me, I feel in limbo, knowing this isn't me but not knowing the true me, it has been a very painful place to be because I feel like my life at the moment is just a lie which, of course, the false self is. I want this out of me, I feel dirty and infected and I just want it all out of me and I know God is hearing my prayer because my feelings are revealing to me so many truths it is all I spend my days doing, talking to God and writing down the answers that I receive through my feelings.
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Post by James on May 26, 2016 22:01:42 GMT 10
Hi Sam, I too have not felt like writing anything lately, however I’ve not been feeling as bad as you have. It’s certainly deep stuff you’re going through, so intense, and I hope it does all come out of you. And that was nice with Jesus; both he and Mary have said they are very close to you, which you’d think would be so with all the hard work you are doing with yourself. I can imagine them being with you far more than with any of the channels who claim they are speaking with Jesus, as you are sincerely wanting to live true and be as they are; and what a good way to connect with you it being so personal, and interesting it was Jesus and not Mary. Do you have any idea why it was Jesus?
It’s so good that you can just allow yourself to feel it all, not trying to control or condition it, just letting it all come up and responding accordingly. I do hope you feel better and yet I know even more so that we’ve all just got to go through it in our own ways. Still every day I feel more sure and better and stronger about it all, and understanding that very few people will be able to - and most are not meant to - begin their Healing whilst of the physical until the next age begins. I’m changing every day in my relationship to the world and everyone who is not striving to live true, letting go, stepping back and observing, not trying to put my side across.
And part of this being that I don’t want to keep putting all my stuff on the internet, so on the forum, for the time being. I only want to respond to you and anyone else should they come along. It’s all part of my withdrawing, reassessing, all with the possible intention of starting again some day in a different way.
Yesterday I felt so miserable sort of remembering being shaken so much by mum. Even thinking again about it now as I write this makes me feel like my head is going to fall off and I feel sick like I’m going to throw up and I’m so scared I go numb. And then so miserable about how she treated me. I feel she and Gran really did my spirit in, broke my will so to speak but crushed my spirit, so I feel all but useless, with no future, no life, nothing to look forward to, and just waiting to see what the Mother and Father have in mind. However as I said, nothing so intense or bad as what you’re feeling and going through, and actually just enjoying the time when I don’t feel as bad being with Marion and doing nothing much other than talking about our yuk.
I have done a little writing with one of the Celestials which I think you’ll find interesting and I would like to post it or send it to you over the next few days but I’ll see how I feel, if I feel like getting around to finishing it and re-reading it.
It is so difficult feeling so nothing, so uninspired, blank, can’t do anything, don’t want to do anything - all because they didn’t let me.
Anyway, I do hope you feel better because you bring it all out and I’m looking forward to reading what truth comes to you.
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Post by James on May 27, 2016 21:00:35 GMT 10
Sam, do you have times when you don’t feel connected to the Mother and Father; when you feel it’s all pointless, They don’t exist, there is nothing and no one?
That’s how Marion and I have been feeling today. It’s almost like everything goes out the window and we think we’ve made it all up. That there is no Healing, that we’re not doing anything, that after all these years we’ve not actually got anywhere, it’s all just more of pretending we have, wanting to believe we have - hoping we have.
And that really there is NOTHING, and we will never heal ourselves, never be any different. And there is no help, no one comes, the Mother and Father aren’t there, Mary and Jesus aren’t real - nothing.
And we’ll always be the same, never any different, always with the same problems, never getting anywhere, and that one day we’ll finally realise that we’re not getting anywhere, that we can’t, that it will never happen, that we’ll never heal ourselves because there is nothing else.
And all our terrible feelings will remain, that we’ll never be free of them, we’ll never feel safe and all right and loved and wanted and cared about as we dream of, wish would happen, long for, hope.
Do you feel as pointless and useless and ugly and nothing as we do at times?
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