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Post by samantha9 on Jan 18, 2015 9:08:29 GMT 10
I am reading volume two of the Padgett messages and have got to Johns message on page 365, January 04 1918, all of Johns messages have been so informative and this one I am spending some time on as I have found it to be of interest to me in my progression in Spirit Communication and understanding it all a little more. This message is all about the Laws of Rapport and Communication and what causes the transmission of the higher truths as in the Soul conditions necessary of both spirit and Mortal working together. Mortals only being able to receive the truths or communication depending on their soul development and condition. Is this what Jesus meant by saying "The river cannot rise higher that its source" we cannot receive truths that we are not able to comprehend, that are higher than our ability to understand. I have loved reading the Padgett Messages and will begin Volume one again as I enjoyed Helen's writing about the spheres she has lived in and progressed to, and about her work with soul mates, when I read about her work with soul mates I instantly prayed that my husband Harry will find his Soul Mate one day and that he may find some spirit like Helen to tell him of all the opportunities in spirit to progress his soul, if he chooses to. I hope he will one day, understands a little more about some of the things I would talk about and he would dismiss, but I truly hope, with all of my heart, he may begin his Soul healing and eventually find his one true love, the other half of his soul.
I have read the messages and they have brought up a lot of feelings in me to heal and some of the messages have been so incredible that I have sat in tears at being very overwhelmed especially the message from "Nero" in which he described the depths of the hells he was in when in spirit and then the meeting of his soul mate and how he lives in happiness with the Divine Love of the Father in his Soul, I wont tell the story but it has to be read and to be felt, very powerful. (Volume 2 page 160 January 16 1917).
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Post by James on Jan 18, 2015 18:26:56 GMT 10
Hi Sam, did you also instantly pray that you would find your soulmate too? And if not, why did you put Harry before yourself?
And what you say about our not being able to receive truths higher than our soul development and hence condition is true, and annoying at times, because if you're not developed in your soul yet want to advance, you can't get higher help because of your lack of development - so how are you to receive help and advance? All of which brings us back to looking to our feelings, because it means you can't look to the higher spirits using your mind only, you have to look to yourself through your feelings, which is how we grow in truth anyway. And so with our feeling-advancement, so we advance in truth, so the higher spirits can come and relate to us on our advancing levels. And that's why Mary and Jesus often say they can't tell me anymore at the time because I need to grow more in truth before we can relate together on those higher or inner levels. And it took me a long time to get out of straining for mind advancement, trying to get things out of them using my mind, instead of giving up with all of that and attending to my feelings.
Today I was so angry about not being able to advance further. I feel so bored, so sick of all the feeling stuff, I just want to push on, to leave the world behind and get stuck right into what I am really all about. I feel all I've done this far is low basics and I want to advance higher, really be given something to get my teeth into, to feel fully engaged in, not this slow dragging it out day by day healing stuff. Which is still all the restlessness of my mind, it still wanting to have some say, wanting to grab the reigns and given them a good shake and LET'S GO! It wants to blast off to Paradise, not hang around feeling agonisingly bad day in day out with seemingly nothing to show for it. So no, I can't have it how I want. I have to stop and wait and not rush ahead. I have to do always what they want. I can't have my own life. I have to have the shit thing they gave me. I can't ascend to Paradise under my own steam, no, first I have piss-fart around healing all their crap out of me, healing all my denial and dysfunction. And even though 'there's a lot of truth to be gained from understanding the truth of your evilness', fuck it, I've had it with my evilness, I want to… It was good feeling so angry about all my usual stuff again today because this time around I was able to keep feeling angry, standing up to them within myself as they keep saying 'Oh shut up about it, you're only upsetting yourself and making it uncomfortable and bad for everyone else.' So, not this time, I didn't back down, fuck them, they are making me feel bad and upset and uncomfortable, so they can feel those things too. I am not going to push back down my anger and fall back into my complacent state and just be thankful for all I've got. I not going to say what I usually do: Thanks for that, oh well at least I've got my writing to keep me amused. At least I am doing my healing - that's something productive... submitting to their wills, suck my thumb and not complain. Fuck them! I am complaining, and I will never stop until something happens. Either they fuck off or I do; either they kill me because I won't shut up or the leave me. I AM NOT GOING TO STOP BEING ANGRY - EVER!
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Post by samantha9 on Jan 19, 2015 3:04:19 GMT 10
Hi James
I have an awareness that I will find my soul mate but Harry never believed in it. I know that mine is out there whether on earth or in spirit and I have that belief that one day we will meet for sure and I hope that no matter how long it takes for harry that he will find his too and come to his soul healing path. But for me I know that I will meet mine.
When I was at school I didn't understand much and it caused me great humiliation and pain, every day was a ordeal and I just wanted to hide away from ever being asked anything in class and I understand now that I wasn't developed enough to accept the information that they were forcing upon me, my teachers I mean. Like spirit and mortal communication we can only communicate at the level of soul development so no higher truths can be given until we have developed through our feelings and this has led me to understand that my school years were so wrong and so forced upon me and I had no way of understanding the higher information they were trying to teach me because I was not of that level of understanding in my mind or soul, they just kept forcing me to learn it but I couldn't and this is why I was so interested to read this message by John in the Padgett messages and also relieved that Spirit wont force higher information upon me when I am not ready for it, unlike my teachers which caused me great fear about learning, I was to thick and stupid but I can now grieve for that awful pain properly because I now understand that I was just not of that level of understanding to comprehend the information they wanted me to learn and spirit wont do that to me because of the Law of Rapport and communication. I feel very angry now writing this at the pain my teachers caused me, they never saw me as an individual with a level of my own and there was no going beyond that level, "The river cannot rise higher that its source" and I truly understand that saying and it is so very important to me and I would love all teachers to understand this too when dealing with children who are in fear of not understanding the information they are expected to learn, they just cant if they are not yet of that state of development and without love I did not understand anything, I could not grow without love. This is why Johns message meant so much to me, to know that in my own time and with my persistent feeling healing I will grow in soul development and as I grow I can receive spirit communication that runs level with my capabilities of understanding so there is no pressure put upon me as there was at school, teachers should know this, its all so wrong James, what is constantly forced upon us and spirit wont do that, which I find so loving of them, they grow with me so its up to me to keep on with my feeling healing so that I can progress in my soul condition and understanding and the truths will become higher in there content because I will feel them within me to have entered my soul instead of my mind. That is what I want, I want it all at my pace now because I want to understand with my soul not my mind and like when at school, having to revise and re-read to try to keep it in my head, god, the frustration I felt of just why cant I remember this stuff, what is wrong with me, I would cry and cry at my hopelessness but now I know it wasn't my fault, I was being forced against my will and understanding to learn things that were of to high a nature for me, poor kid, poor, poor kid and it goes on every day with most kids still feeling that awful dread and humiliation that I felt. Teachers have to know they are being so cruel and not seeing the individual development of these kids, some of them are just not capable of learning the same level as they are teaching the others and there is no chance it will enter them as a truth. I love this Law of Rapport and Communication James, it is fair and loving not to force the higher truths upon anyone until they are of a level where the truths can enter their soul, it would be pointless and I feel that my desire to know the truth of myself and the higher truths keeps me healing my feelings so I can reach that level of understanding and the truths will naturally enter me and not need to be learnt by the mind but felt by the soul as a truth. My healing is showing me how I got into these awful conditions and its all I want, to know the truth of my condition and where the causes began so I now have no need for medicating tha effects of those causes, through my feelings I can heal, I am healing.
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Post by James on Jan 19, 2015 17:15:44 GMT 10
I love all you said Sam. It was the same for me, and coincidently I too was furious yesterday - again - about how badly I was treated at school, how scared I was all the time, how I learnt nothing because of all the same reasons you’re saying, how it was one long torture chamber resulting in my simply feeling numb about it all. And then I went onto university and it was the same, I wasn’t in the condition to absorb what I was being taught, I was already too far gone.
I’ve not looked at the Law of Rapport and Communication as being supportive of us as you’re outlining, but yes, I wholly agree with you, however this applies to you: “I love this Law of Rapport and Communication James, it is fair and loving not to force the higher truths upon anyone until they are of a level where the truths can enter their soul, it would be pointless...” only because of what you say: “...I feel that my desire to know the truth of myself and the higher truths keeps me healing my feelings so I can reach that level of understanding and the truths will naturally enter me and not need to be learnt by the mind but felt by the soul as a truth.”
You’re living in harmony with the Law because of your intention to live through your feelings looking to them to reveal the truths of yourself, life and God as you require them, which is what happens to us all when we do our healing, and will continue to happen after we’re healed. But there are many people working with spirits who are being treated as if they are still at school with the spirits cramming stuff into their minds, even some people I’ve met begging the spirits to stop, to go away, to leave them alone so they have some peace and quiet in their heads. And some of these people have felt scared of the very ‘kind’ and ‘caring’ spirits who are supposedly helping them. Then other people have felt empowered by all the knew information filling their minds, being able to control it more and not allow the spirits to gain the upper hand. But it’s all merely information - or knowledge if you want to call it that, all of which does nothing - as you’re discovering Sam, now that you can see/feel the truth - for ones soul advancement. It’s all only taking such people further into their mind’s control and so evilness, and doing the same for the spirit unbeknownst to them.
And yes, thinking more about what you said, if we were to receive truth and information ahead of our soul development then we’d be forced into being untrue, which means becoming evil. Our parents forced us like our teachers, which is why so many teaches teach how they were parented, and we all know the result of that and what it feels like being so fucked up. The child, which we still are, is driven by its own soul through its feelings, and so life meets us there, that’s how we should live it all properly, so we get what we need on all levels, not just in specific truths and their understanding, but even our physical needs are met this way. All so long as we don’t force our minds to take over. If we were living in spirit, we’d soon see that we could only live in the world or sphere and plane within it equal to our level of truth or mind development, we couldn’t go and live in a higher one because the light would be too bright, and even if we did, we’d not be able to relate to anything that was there. I always remember my first experiences with The Urantia Book. I originally came across it in America at a New Age spiritual fair and it was interesting, but nothing really grabbed me about it. Then almost a year later having been given and read the Padgett Messages, I suddenly felt I wanted to look at the UB again. One of our clairvoyant friends had a copy, I’d seen it on her table during readings, so I asked her if I could borrow it. And from the first moment I read it I couldn’t stop, reading the whole thing from beginning to end devouring it all as if I was drinking in its nectar. So I was obviously ready then, having first established the truths from what Jesus and the other Celestial spirits said and having begun longing to the Father for His Divine Love. So it showed me there is a perfect time for it all, and when something appeals, we are ready for it. But we can’t be pushed into it. I mean, we can be pushed into it, but it’s not going to have the same effect. I so wish I was able to lead my education as I felt, being able to go this way and that; I often wonder about what sort of life I would have had and what sort of person I’d have been. However of course that’s not what the Mother and Father had in store for me.
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Post by James on Dec 28, 2015 22:25:01 GMT 10
We can’t change ourselves being evil, only God can.
I was looking at some of the Padgett Messages today and this one caught my eye:
September 15th, 1914 Yes, I am Your grandmother: Yes, and I am in close touch with the Lord. God is a spirit. He is the one mind and spirit that teaches all other spirits, that the truth is the only thing that can save from sin and error. Do not let the teachings of the Saviour become mere idle sounds in your ears - believe in them and you will be soon in the possession of the precious and glorious jewels of the truth - let him lead you to God. Love him and he will be with you and teach you the truths of his Father. The New Birth is the flowing of the Spirit of God into your soul and the disappearing of all that tends to turn your heart from the truth and Love of God. It comes by the workings of the Holy Spirit that conveys the Grace of God. It is not a working of your own will or power - it is the Love of God that causes the change. You cannot of yourself change the evil workings of your heart but you can pray and the Holy Spirit will come into your soul and then you will realize the change. The Spirit is the power of God, which he uses to influence men to seek His Favor and Love. It is not God Himself, but only one of His instrumentalities with which he works for the salvation of mankind. Let your love for him be the holiest and best kind that you can give to Him. And pray for the Divine Love with earnest sincere prayer. Yes, Jesus is the teacher, and the Holy Spirit is God's messenger or instrument that carries into the soul the Divine Love that is bestowed on the truly penitent man. Jesus is the saviour of men by his teachings and his example and the Holy Spirit is the Comforter that carries into the soul the Divine Love. Jesus is still teaching and influencing men to turn to God. He will continue to teach until the Celestial Kingdom is closed. He will come as a still small voice that will reach men's souls and lead them to the Father. He will not come as the Adventist priest. Jesus will come quietly into each man's heart and in that way establish the millennium. He is not going to have a kingdom all his own. He is the son of his Father and will remain in the spirit world to teach men to progress to the heavenly planes that reach up to the presence of God. He is the most glorious spirit in all the heavens and he is the greatest spirit under the dominion of his Father. There is only one God. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are merely the forces which God uses to carry out his great plans for the redemption of man. Let me stop now as I am tired. Your Grandmother, (Ann Rollins)
Ann says that we can’t change our evilness, that is, heal it ourselves using our own will, and that we are dependent on God. So when God says we don’t have to be evil anymore, then God will take away our evilness. Or, when God says They don’t want us to be evil anymore, then They will stop us being unloving.
The Padgett Messages, as we’ve discussed before, are somewhat misleading, as Ann says, it’s the Holy Spirit bringing the Divine Love that will remove our wrongness - those being my words, yet as we know, it is through our own endeavours to express all the wrongness we feel, and so to express it ourselves through our bad feelings, that brings up the truth of our negative love- and true-denying that so we can at least see why we are wrong. But still, even though we can see the truth of our evilness, we can’t then make it go away, which is the hard part and has been very infuriating for me at times. That I am waiting on the Mother and Father for Them to transform my wrongness, that I can’t do it myself, and even though it is happening, it’s all in Their Time and not as I’d like it happen - NOW!
Again lately that’s where I am, bouncing along my bottom line, feeling how scared I am, how unloved I am, and how being this way has made me be so shut off and disconnected from myself and unable to connect through expressing my feelings with another person - Marion. And as much I have seen this truth about myself over the years, and more so of late; and as much as I am just accepting and allowing myself to be my fucked-up self and all I feel about that; and as much as I feel I can’t do anything else other than just keep on expressing any bad feelings I feel and longing for their truth; and as much as I long for the Divine Love and the Truth; and as much as I want to be healed and true; and as much as I want to be able to be fully expressive in each moment; and as much as I want to be loving and feel loved and live true to my soul, I can’t, that is, not until the Mother and Father say I can. They put me in the shit and so I am waiting for Them to take me out of it. And They say, ‘Soon James, when you have seen all the truth We want you see through your feelings, then We’ll heal your soul.’
So there’s not much I can do other than keep going as I am. I can’t stop going as I am, and I don’t want to, so I keep longing for the truth, longing to be healed, longing to become loving and to feel loved - longing for Their Divine Love.
Marion was saying today: “Our version of love is unloving. We can’t love. What we call love is not love as we are unloving.” And that’s what we have to accept about ourselves, and see all the different aspects of, that we’re not loving.
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